British MI6, Foreign Office 'used' the MQM to 'exert influence' on Pakistan.

[graphican]

Just read the ayah at the end of ur text and think. if everything is so clear then whats the problem in getting a verdict from a court. you say they have indian weapons they say they were planted . now who is right and wrong? Thats y a verdict is important. allegations and assumptions are sins for a reason.


yar prove kero and ban kero inko jab sab itna clear hai. i for once am tired of allegations in Pakistan politics and the business goes on and innocent keeps suffering. we have to start from somewhere

Ban karo? "WHO"? MQM? A bit of reality check for everybody and you in particular!

• MQM's leader is under murder trial in UK,
• MQM is declared terrorist organization by Canada
• Supreme Court has declared MQM responsible for the Murders

Now you have been arguing with me and didn't had half courage to accept MQM is terrorist or they are responsible for rigging in the country and now you jump to banning them? When terrorist organizations go as big as MQM, banning them politically doesn't resolve problems. If election commission ban MQM, they will come up with another name - then what?

 

[Jaanbaz]

failure of the Pakistan authorities to cooperate with the UK investigations. The UK police are pressing for the release of two suspects – Mohsin Ali Syed and Mohammed Kashif Khan Kamran – who are currently thought to be in ISI custody. Without the two men giving evidence in a UK court it is difficult to see how the UK authorities can pursue the murder case. But despite the request being put directly to the army chief on his recent visit to London Pakistan is showing no sign whatsoever of helping.

That could mean ISI was behind murder of Doctor Imran Farooq? You know the sold out haramkhors known as Haqiqi group were used again..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That could mean ISI was behind murder of Doctor Imran Farooq? You know the sold out haramkhors known as Haqiqi group were used again..

They have captured those guys involved... believe me on that one.... but its all dirty politics...

 

[Jaanbaz]

They have captured those guys involved... believe me on that one.... but its all dirty politics...

Its messy. Believe me I'm full aware of MQM's crimes too. During 92 operation there was posters all over Karachi saying ''jo qaid ka gadar hay wo maut ka hagdar hay''. But why did the state create another violent wing out of MQM? What was the purpose of Haqiqi group other then kidnapping and torturingMQM workers even normal MQM supporters who were not involved in politics themselves?

 

[SipahSalar]

And they say Pakistan supports terrorism.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its messy. Believe me I'm full aware of MQM's crimes too. During 92 operation there was posters all over Karachi saying ''jo qaid ka gadar hay wo maut ka hagdar hay''. But why did the state create another violent wing out of MQM? What was the purpose of Haqiqi group other then kidnapping and torturingMQM workers even normal MQM supporters who were not involved in politics themselves?

My father served in Karachi in 92 onwards period..... failed attempted,raids on terrorist... even though i was a kid.. i still remember seeing captured weapons etc... but the MQM supporters would never except all this..

 

[pak-marine]

That could mean ISI was behind murder of Doctor Imran Farooq? You know the sold out haramkhors known as Haqiqi group were used again..

Yes else why wont they release the evidence .. Dal main kuch kala hota hai yahan tu pori daal hi kali hai

 

[Jaanbaz]

My father served in Karachi in 92 onwards period..... failed attempted,raids on terrorist... even though i was a kid.. i still remember seeing captured weapons etc... but the MQM supporters would never except all this..

My dad's cousin served in Karachi 92 operation, he was from Punjab. And what he said is very disturbing. He told my dad to stop being friends with MQM guys(he met Altaf Hussain during his uni days). He told my dad to call himself a Punjabi if the army stops him. Told him not to mention that his mother was Urdu speaking. He said the army were picking random Urdu Speaking people and executing them.

This is why Army should never be used in urban settings with large populations, soldiers are not politicians, they go in their to take out the enemy. And the enemy is whoever the state says it is, even if its your own citizens.

 

[pak-marine]

My father served in Karachi in 92 onwards period..... failed attempted,raids on terrorist... even though i was a kid.. i still remember seeing captured weapons etc... but the MQM supporters would never except all this..

In 90's the state was using jihadis "which is an open secret , MQM never accepted to that policy thus why they were singled out and there was an operation against them .. time has proven what a failed logic that was

 

[Pakistani E]

I have lived in Karachi for like 5.5 years and know Karachi better than people who have been living there for years (mostly because of my job's nature). Sab pata hy kaun c bus kahan jati hai. And during my stay I have been faced multiple times with situation where I was told to shut up because the other guy is Karkun of Bahi or don't say anything about bahi in public because bahi's goons are everywhere and they can hurt you.


I pity Urdu speaking who are such educated and fine people but their thinking and decision making is hostage of a tyrant, murderer.

You lived in Karachi for 5.5 years and think you know a lot. I was born and raised in Karachi, what do you think of my experience? I am not Urdu speaking or MQM supporter, yet if given the choice, I would still choose MQM over ALL the current political parties.

This is BS when you say you can't say anything against "Bhai". A relative of mine used to regularly sit with MQM unit in charges and never got any trouble. I am not denying that some MQM workers are violent or very sensitive when it comes to Altaf Hussain. But to say that it is the norm is extreme exaggeration. Go look how many non Urdu speakers live near Nine zero. Go ask local Jamiat supporters what they think of MQM. They will not shy away from abusing A.H.
So even though I am not going to dismiss your statement, I think it is very exaggerated.

But nothing annoys me more than people who have hardly seen Karachi and think they've suddenly become experts in everything MQM related. MQM is a reaction to very legitimate demands, as long as those grievances exist. No one can destroy MQM. That's the brutal truth.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

My dad's cousin served in Karachi 92 operation, he was from Punjab. And what he said is very disturbing. He told my dad to stop being friends with MQM guys(he met Altaf Hussain during his uni days). He told my dad to call himself a Punjabi if the army stops him. Told him not to mention that his mother was Urdu speaking. He said the army were picking random Urdu Speaking people and executing them.

This is why Army should never be used in urban settings with large populations, soldiers are not politicians, they go in their to take out the enemy. And the enemy is whoever the state says it is, even if its your own citizens.

What i heard/saw during those days:


Boys in cricket coaching uniforms.. with kits full of weapons...

"Dada's" who were involved in crimes like target killings/murders,extortion etc.

"No go areas" ... you go there n you have a high probability of getting ambushed.....and so on..

Still have a weapon that was used in an attempt on my father... 2 guys on a bike... open fire on a army vehicle...

But sometimes... shit happens... you are at a wrong place,with the wrong people,at the wrong time... but to say that army was killing people coz of their ethnic background is pure shit... one of my fathers best frnd and course mate (PMA) served with him... he himself is an urdu speaker from Karachi.. and will tell you similiar things.

 

[Men in Green]

Google "Election Rigging Karachi" and amaze yourself.

to much rigging. My teacher told me that he and his son was forced to give votes to MQM + every one in that area.

 

[Pak Blooded]

Ban karo? "WHO"? MQM? A bit of reality check for everybody and you in particular!

• MQM's leader is under murder trial in UK,
• MQM is declared terrorist organization by Canada
• Supreme Court has declared MQM responsible for the Murders

Now you have been arguing with me and didn't had half courage to accept MQM is terrorist or they are responsible for rigging in the country and now you jump to banning them? When terrorist organizations go as big as MQM, banning them politically doesn't resolve problems. If election commission ban MQM, they will come up with another name - then what?

oh bhai i have said tens of times that i am aware of what MQM does from rigging to murders. what i m trying to imply here is that state is failing in its function and thats left its citizens vulnurable and confined to actors like MQM. and dont talk about supreme court yar that was a publicity stunt by then CJ, and he named every single political party. so come on guys lets not be bias and act according to the principle of justice.

 

[Jaanbaz]

What i heard/saw during those days:


Boys in cricket coaching uniforms.. with kits full of weapons...

"Dada's" who were involved in crimes like target killings/murders,extortion etc.

"No go areas" ... you go there n you have a high probability of getting ambushed.....and so on..

Still have a weapon that was used in an attempt on my father... 2 guys on a bike... open fire on a army vehicle...

But sometimes... shit happens... you are at a wrong place,with the wrong people,at the wrong time... but to say that army was killing people coz of their ethnic background is pure shit.

Mate both sides went on a killing spree. I'm not saying all soldiers were doing it but someone was definitely giving it an ethnic colour to a criminal and political violence.

One more thing is that MQM Altaf and Haqiqi group killed each other more then the rangers of the Army did.

 

[Armstrong]

@dexter @HRK - Yahan kiya ho rahaa haiii ?