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First of all, I want Pakistan also involved because it is our duty to fight against the extremists and also because it would make the idea of war against ISIS more popular. Most religious extremists have gained great support because they tell recruits that the Christian West is killing fighters and occupying their country. If a coalition of countries which are predominantly Muslim are participating in the war against ISIS, what could extremist groups say?

What do you think they'll say? I'll give you a hint. Pakistan is fighting TTP - and what do those fellows tell their cadre about that? They say that the Pakistani govt is a poodle of America, and waging war on muslims at USA's behest. That's precisely what ISIS will tell their flock too. Every religiously motivated terror group claims to be the defenders of the religion, and anybody opposing them to be kafirs or allies of kafirs. One Pakistani admirer of TTP on this forum keeps calling MUsharaff as a "tout of kufr" for warring against talibanies on USA's order.

As of now, everybody fighting the ISIS are muslims. Whether it is Syrians, or Kurds. And yet that hasn't made them doubt for a moment that they are the true islamic heroes. If Pakistan gets involved in fighting against them, they will simply see the Pakistani state as a roadblock to the real rule of islam.


Iraqis are fighting. I understand there is a very little chance of a regional coalition. I am still distrustful of the American intentions. The last time they entered Iraq, they left it in ruins and sectarian violence was a greater problem then before. Before that, they were arming Saddam themselves with chemical weapons. If you do research, you'll find out CIA was involved in the coup which brought him into power. I do not trust them. I guess the ugly truth is, the US will be involved, but I am highly against it and deeply lament the future.

I don't know about the CIA being involved in Saddam's coup, but I agree with the rest of it. USA should not have warred against Iraq in 2003. Them removing Saddam from power and disbanding the Iraqi army set the stage for groups like ISIS to take over. They also created the power vacuum that ISIS exploited.

But as I asked before, if only the USA or NATO can crush ISIS, shouldn't we prefer them doing it, than to nobody doing it? A regional coalition against ISIS is not going to happen - everybody in the region are more interested in their own self interest. Shouldn't the removal of ISIS be first on our wishlist, no matter who does it?
 
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Spain is not in threat. Remember Afghanistan? Remember how Afghanistan is home to a certain militant organisation which manages to find its way into our Northern Areas?
ISIS is crawling with fighters from the entire world and no doubt, they've got Afghan and Pakistanis in it too. When Iraq is taken, they'll want to come back, won't they? Along with the rest of their allies.

We should contribute a few soldiers, but I think our role should be more support based. Give them training, supplies, some aid etc.
Exactly training this is what the Iraqis lack at the moment.they have no problem with supplies or need any aid they even have bought these Russian gunships which we couldn't afford...as far as threat to Pakistan is concerned the days of any organization holding and governing territory like ISIS does is over in this country...Pakistan faces a terrorist movement we need to clean in-house our urban centers especially those sectarian outfits who are potential recruits
 
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It pains me to see the US and UK doing it, yes. They have been meddling around too much, and do not belong in the Middle East anymore. They are criminals who have caused great problems in the Middle East


So are the following criminals (nations) who have caused great problems in the world as follows:

China = Killing Uighur Muslims mercilessly
Russia = Killing Chechens
India = Killing Kashmiris
Philippines = Killing Moro liberation front
Israel = Killing Palestinians

Well said Hiptullha....So right!!!
In other words, you are saying US-UK should not retaliate, let their aid workers/Journalist be beheaded by Jihadis...

You are so nice...
 
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What do you think they'll say? I'll give you a hint. Pakistan is fighting TTP - and what do those fellows tell their cadre about that? They say that the Pakistani govt is a poodle of America, and waging war on muslims at USA's behest. That's precisely what ISIS will tell their flock too. Every religiously motivated terror group claims to be the defenders of the religion, and anybody opposing them to be kafirs or allies of kafirs. One Pakistani admirer of TTP on this forum keeps calling MUsharaff as a "tout of kufr" for warring against talibanies on USA's order.
As of now, everybody fighting the ISIS are muslims. Whether it is Syrians, or Kurds. And yet that hasn't made them doubt for a moment that they are the true islamic heroes. If Pakistan gets involved in fighting against them, they will simply see the Pakistani state as a roadblock to the real rule of islam.

I guess you're right about this. Pakistan army has been demonized. What would be needed is an effective PR and propaganda campaign.
But one thing you're telling me is that Syrians and Kurds aren't being portrayed as Islamic heroes. I've seen a couple of videos of Peshmerga and the Syrian army. They haven't aligned themselves with religion at all, in my opinion. They're more nationalistic. Also the Peshmerga have been demonized for decades, and the Syrians are fighting to keep a regime in power.

I don't know about the CIA being involved in Saddam's coup, but I agree with the rest of it. USA should not have warred against Iraq in 2003. Them removing Saddam from power and disbanding the Iraqi army set the stage for groups like ISIS to take over. They also created the power vacuum that ISIS exploited.
But as I asked before, if only the USA or NATO can crush ISIS, shouldn't we prefer them doing it, than to nobody doing it? A regional coalition against ISIS is not going to happen - everybody in the region are more interested in their own self interest. Shouldn't the removal of ISIS be first on our wishlist, no matter who does it?

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Kissinger and his realpolitik.
Like I said before, it's an ugly reality that the US will be involved. You asked me to state what I felt and this is what is was. I have no faith in the US, and would prefer a regional force. Unfortunately, this is not possible.

So are the following criminals (nations) who have caused great problems in the world as follows:

China = Killing Uighur Muslims mercilessly
Russia = Killing Chechens
India = Killing Kashmiris
Philippines = Killing Moro liberation front
Israel = Killing Palestinians

Well said Hiptullha....So right!!!
In other words, you are saying US-UK should not retaliate, let their aid workers/Journalist be beheaded by Jihadis...

You are so nice...

The US has been playing with the Middle East since WWII when they were thrust into the world stage which was empty as the great Imperialist powers which had been dictating foreign politics were bankrupt and broken.
Why is it that we readily accept the fact that the British, Russians and Germans were constantly involved in the local politics of the Middle East during the 19th century yet when faced with the same scenario with the US and it's activities since the 1950s, we become reluctant to acknowledge the role they've played in the gradual deterioration of the region?
The examples you've given, they're a gray area. People have different opinions on them, and I have no interest in chasing the red-herring you're dangling.
 
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The examples you've given, they're a gray area. People have different opinions on them, and I have no interest in chasing the red-herring you're dangling.

Ask 1.2 billion Chinese and they will speak with one voice...
Same with Indians..Russians...

Half the population already listed...(including counting smaller nations)

Grey area?

There's a difference between playing and playing games. The former is an act of joy, the latter — an act.

Yo Hiptullah
 
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Ask 1.2 billion Chinese and they will speak with one voice...
Same with Indians..Russians...

Half the population already listed...(including counting smaller nations)

Grey area?

There's a difference between playing and playing games. The former is an act of joy, the latter — an act.

Yo Hiptullah

o_O
What makes you so sure that 1.2 billion Chinese, 140 million Russians, and 1.2 billion Indians subscribe to the same viewpoint as you do?
A rather prejudiced response to be honest.
 
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What makes you so sure that 1.2 billion Chinese, 140 million Russians, and 1.2 billion Indians subscribe to the same viewpoint as you do?
A rather prejudiced response to be honest.


Show me one dissent note from any Chinese newspaper or Russian for that matter...
Or else stop flicking your frivolous fingers on your innocent keyboard with no control over you.
My advice, read some more..
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one/
 
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Show me one dissent note from any Chinese newspaper or Russian for that matter...
Or else stop flicking your frivolous fingers on your innocent keyboard with no control over you.
My advice, read some more..
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one/

Haha, that's funny.
AlexanderLitvinenkoHospital.jpg

This guy wrote two entire books on what happened in Russia and got poisoned for it.

Anyways, read some more what?

Show me one dissent note from any Chinese newspaper or Russian for that matter...
Or else stop flicking your frivolous fingers on your innocent keyboard with no control over you.
My advice, read some more..
A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one/

1993[edit]
  • Dmitry Krikoryants, night of 14–15 April 1993, Grozny.[152] Murdered over a year before open conflict broke out in Chechnya (first between pro-Dudayev and pro-Moscow factions, then with the intervention of federal forces), the killing of Krikoryants was linked to his investigation of corrupt activities of the local regime, at home and abroad.
1st Chechen war, 1994-1996[edit]
  • Cynthia Elbaum. On assignment for Time magazine (USA), Cynthia was photographing in the streets of Grozny, when she was killed in a Russian bombing raid in 1994.[153]
  • Vladimir Zhitarenko, a veteran military correspondent for the Russian armed forces daily Krasnaya Zvezda (Red Star), was hit by two sniper bullets outside the town of Tolstoy-Yurt, near the Chechen capital of Grozny on 31 December 1994.
  • Nina Yefimova, a reporter for the new Vozrozhdenie (Revival) newspaper was abducted from her apartment and killed together with her mother. Journalists in Grozny and Moscow believe that her murder was related to stories she had published on crime in Chechnya.
  • Jochen Piest. On 10 January 1995 Piest, a correspondent with Stern magazine (Germany), was killed in an attack by a Chechen rebel against a Russian mine-clearing unit in Chervlyonna, a village 24 kilometers northeast of Grozny. Rossiskaya Gazeta correspondent Vladimir Sorokin was wounded in the attack; Piest was fatally hit by three bullets.
  • Farkhad Kerimov. Farkhad Kerimov was murdered on 22 May 1995 while filming for Associated Press behind rebel lines in Chechnya. No motive has ever been established for the killing.
  • Natalya Alyakina. Natalya Alyakina, a free-lance correspondent for German news outlets, was shot dead in June by a soldier after clearing a Russian checkpoint near the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk.
  • Shamkhan Kagirov. Kagirov, a reporter for the Moscow daily Rossiyskaya Gazeta and the local Vozrozhenie newspaper, was shot and killed in an ambush in Chechnya. Kagirov and three local police officers were traveling in a car near Grozny when they were attacked. The three officers were also killed.
  • Viktor Pimenov. On 11 March 1996, Pimenov, a cameraman with the local "Vainakh" TV company was fatally shot in the back by a sniper positioned on the roof of a 16-story building in Grozny. Pimenov had been filming the devastation caused to the Chechen capital by the 6–9 March rebel raid on the city.
  • Nadezhda Chaikova. On 20 March 1996 Chaikova, correspondent for the Obshchaya gazeta (Moscow) weekly newspaper disappeared while on assignment. Her body was found buried in the Chechen village of Gekhi on 11 April, blindfolded and bearing signs of mistreatment. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the back of the head. The identity of her executioners remains disputed. According to documents from Dudaev's archive, that came into hands of Russian special services in 2002, she was killed by people from so called "Department of state security of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria" (Russian: Департамент государственной безопасности ЧРИ).[154][155] At the time there were strong suspicions that Russian security services were involved.
September 1996 to October 1999[edit]
No journalists are recorded as having been killed between September 1996 and October 1999 but 22 were kidnapped during these three years and later released.[156]

2nd Chechen war, 1999 onwards[edit]
A counter-terrorist operation by the federal authorities began in the region in September 1999. It was declared over on 16 April 2009.

  • Journalist Supyan Ependiyev. On the evening of 27 October 1999, several short-range ballistic missile hit a crowded outdoor market in central Grozny, killing or wounding hundreds of people. About an hour after the attack, Ependiyev went to the scene to cover the carnage for his paper. As he was leaving the site, a new round of rockets fell about 200 meters from the bazaar. Ependiyev suffered severe shrapnel wounds and died in a Grozny hospital the next morning. According to other sources, he died two days later.
  • Cameramen Ramzan Mezhidov and Shamil Gigayev. The journalists were part of a civilian convoy, including Red Cross workers and vehicles, attempting to leave Chechnya on 29 October 1999. Turned back at the republic's eastern border, they were travelling along the highway from Grozny to Nazran in neighboring Ingushetia when their vehicles came under attack. As the convoy approached Shami-Yurt, a Russian fighter fired several time from the air, hitting a busload of refugees. Mezhidov and Gigayev left their vehicle to film the carnage. As they approached the bus, another Russian rocket hit a nearby truck, fatally wounding both journalists.
  • Photojournalist Vladimir Yatsina, an ITAR-TASS staff member freelancing on his only trip to Chechnya, was kidnapped and killed there by a group of Wahhabis on 19 July 1999.[157][158]
  • Antonio Russo, an Italian freelance journalist was killed on 16 October 2000 in Tbilisi, Georgia. His body was found near a Russian army base. He had come to the Georgian capital to document the Chechnya conflict as a Radio Radicale reporter, working for a radio station belonging to the Italian Radical Party (Partito Radicale). His body carried injuries caused by torture, probably from military techniques. None of the tapes, articles and writings left in his Georgian apartment have been found.
  • Aleksandr Yefremov. A photojournalist of the western Siberian newspaper Nashe Vremya was killed in Chechnya when rebels blew up a military jeep in which he was riding. On previous assignments, Yefremov had won acclaim for his news photographs from the war-torn region.
  • Cameraman and editor Roddy Scott. On 26 September 2002, Scott was killed in Ingushetia. Russian soldiers found his body in the republic's Galashki region, near the border with Chechnya, following a bloody battle between Russian forces and a group of Chechen fighters.
  • Former teacher and TV journalist Natalia Estemirova, now an award-winning Russian human rights activist, board member of the Russian NGO Memorial, and author for Novaya gazeta was murdered on 15 July 2009.[159] Estemirova was abducted around 8.30 am from outside her home in Grozny, Chechnya as she was working on "extremely sensitive" cases of human rights abuses in Chechnya.[160] Two witnesses reportedly saw Estemirova being pushed into a car, shouting that she was being abducted. She was found with bullet wounds in the head and chest at 4.30 pm in woodland 100 m (328 ft) away from the "Kavkaz" federal highway near the village of Gazi-Yurt, Ingushetia.[161]
  • On 1 August Malika Betiyeva was killed on the Grozny-Shatoi highway. The deputy chief editor of "Molodyozhnaya smena", and Chechnya correspondent of the "Dosh" (Word) magazine, died with four of her immediate family in a car crash.[162]
 
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I love how this carnival group labels itself islamist but uses the akronym ISIS, a old egyptian sex and fertility goddess
 
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Haha, that's funny.
AlexanderLitvinenkoHospital.jpg

This guy wrote two entire books on what happened in Russia and got poisoned for it.

Anyways, read some more what?


Aha, your Wiki source is begging for an edit for this questionable writing that someone submitted...
 
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Aha, your Wiki source is begging for an edit for this questionable writing that someone submitted...

This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information.(April 2011)

Needs updating. People are still dying.
Anyways, this is becoming off-topic.
 
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