Britain's RAF fighters 'bound for Japan for first time in decades' as UK builds military ties

[Indos]

Well, you just added a piece of land at the edge of your coast.

You can use fresh water , sand and other construction martial from a few mile away.

Of course your man made island in SCS is an extra ordinary one, no one dispute that mate, I just show ours in this thread.

 

[xunzi]

There is no comparison between building an tiny feature right next to your coast vs building a massive island in the middle of no where.

Our next dream should be to build an artificial island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, right next to Hawaii so we can be a true neighbor with our American pal! LOL

 

[cnleio]

Argentina is not in position to do anything with Falklands even with Chinese support.

My friend, no they can do some trouble to the Falklands, if someday they know making missile and have the produce line in home ... they can do what they like, i have said who know what stuffs China export to there ... not 1st time for China export missile produce lines to foreign nations. The market still has demand for anti-ship missile / anti-aircraft missile / surface-to-surface missile, fortunately Chinese defence industry good at it, just ask Norinco what can export to Argentina.

As far as we knew China already exported a Z-11 helo produce line in Argentina, so yes if necessary China can export other produce line with a afforded price ... at last when they become a missile-maker like Iran , how Argentinean decide to use them it's not China business. China don't wanna hurt Sino-Britain relationship but if really hurt China core interests in the region, the dragon will respond.

 

[xunzi]

The British is not in a position to mess around with our national interest so I don't see the relevancy of them trying to interfere in our domestic affair. It is a good partner and they have to understand that we have a good respect for the queen. LOL

 

[Steve781]

This is about defence cooperation not involvement in the SCS conflict. I don't think we could even if wanted to given the geographical limitations.

 

[xunzi]

It is good that you know not to mess around with our territorial rights. As you know and I know, we are not the type that shy away from protecting our national asset.

 

[Aepsilons]

This is about defence cooperation not involvement in the SCS conflict. I don't think we could even if wanted to given the geographical limitations.

The main goal is that Japan and Britain cooperate in area that requires attention; Africa and parts of Asia.

 

[mike2000 is back]

at least you should know about the history of this part of ASEAN region, Indonesia actually reducing her full scale of military build up at price the two (Singapore and Malaysia) reduced the British military Presence on their soil, that's what Soeharto ask as part of peace negotiation during the end of Confrontation to pleased hawkish military and senior ministry officer at the time. And that's allowed the trio (Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore) to chose economic development path instead of triggering arm races.

And you should know, one of the reason why Philippine chose to close Subic and Clark military base, it was because most of ASEAN urging the Philippine to do so

Well, i never said otherwise. It's good Malaysia and Singapore choose to reduce our military presence/aid in their country after their independence and focus on economic development, it did paid off for both countries at the end of the day. Even though i must confess even if we still had any military presence in these 2 countries, it wouldn't have changed their economic growth/performance since its not like we would have engaged in any war whatsoever, neither will the military base be any hindrance to the economic growth, like we saw with S.Korea, Japan and Germany, the presence of US/U.K troops didn't in any way stopped them from tapping their economic potential/prosperity, if anything it instead helped them develop even faster, since they could focus on/prioritize their economy while making defence a secondary issue.

So it can also cut both ways. lol As for the Philippines, they decided to kick out the U.S out of subic bay due to internal opposition to U.S military presence on their soil, but things seem to have changed today, since the vast majority of Filipinos are now calling for/pleading the U.S to return. lol So it had nothing to do with ASEAN

Anyway our security/defence orientation in Asia isn't aimed at any particular country, since we basically have no real enemies in the region, Just partners/Friends/allies. So i don't think any country will see this as a sort of hostile action against them(well, maybe bar N.Korea. lol).

 

[Aepsilons]

So it can also cut both ways. lol As for the Philippines, they decided to kick out the U.S out of subic bay due to internal opposition to U.S military presence on their soil, but things seem to have changed today, since the vast majority of Filipinos are now calling for/pleading the U.S to return. lol So it had nothing to do with ASEAN

My friend the Filipinos took the Mount Pinatubo explosion as some kind of Divine revelation of how G_d did not want the Gaijin America soldiers to be in the country. Hence the expulsion of the US Forces in 1992.

As soon as the Americans were out and as soon as there was reduced American naval presence in the SCS, which the Filipinos had relied so heavily on American naval support to do their territorial passex, this ultimately was taken advantaged upon by the Vietnamese AND the Chinese who increased their military presence in the SCS area. It is not only the Chinese who increased militarized presence in the SCS post-Subic Bay epoch, but the Vietnamese. In fact it was the Vietnamese who had clashed with Filipino marines than Chinese, to be historically accurate.

So then in 1997 the Filipino Congress went begging their president at the time , Fidel Ramos, to contact the United States Pacific Command to 'reorganize' the relationship between Washington and Manila in the 1997 VFA [Visiting Forces Agreement]. In other words they reneged on their 1992 senate-wide declaration of having no foreign military bases or foreign soldiers based on Filipina soil.

And here were are now in 2015.

Politics, isn't it just a funny , wet , little lady? lol. Love it.

Regards.

 

[mike2000 is back]

My friend the Filipinos took the Mount Pinatubo explosion as some kind of Divine revelation of how G_d did not want the Gaijin America soldiers to be in the country. Hence the expulsion of the US Forces in 1992.

As soon as the Americans were out and as soon as there was reduced American naval presence in the SCS, which the Filipinos had relied so heavily on American naval support to do their territorial passex, this ultimately was taken advantaged upon by the Vietnamese AND the Chinese who increased their military presence in the SCS area. It is not only the Chinese who increased militarized presence in the SCS post-Subic Bay epoch, but the Vietnamese. In fact it was the Vietnamese who had clashed with Filipino marines than Chinese, to be historically accurate.

So then in 1997 the Filipino Congress went begging their president at the time , Fidel Ramos, to contact the United States Pacific Command to 'reorganize' the relationship between Washington and Manila in the 1997 VFA [Visiting Forces Agreement]. In other words they reneged on their 1992 senate-wide declaration of having no foreign military bases or foreign soldiers based on Filipina soil.

And here were are now in 2015.

Politics, isn't it just a funny , wet , little lady? lol. Love it.

Regards.

LOL.....Well, they learned their lesson.

 

[Steve781]

My friend the Filipinos took the Mount Pinatubo explosion as some kind of Divine revelation of how G_d did not want the Gaijin America soldiers to be in the country. Hence the expulsion of the US Forces in 1992.

As soon as the Americans were out and as soon as there was reduced American naval presence in the SCS, which the Filipinos had relied so heavily on American naval support to do their territorial passex, this ultimately was taken advantaged upon by the Vietnamese AND the Chinese who increased their military presence in the SCS area. It is not only the Chinese who increased militarized presence in the SCS post-Subic Bay epoch, but the Vietnamese. In fact it was the Vietnamese who had clashed with Filipino marines than Chinese, to be historically accurate.

So then in 1997 the Filipino Congress went begging their president at the time , Fidel Ramos, to contact the United States Pacific Command to 'reorganize' the relationship between Washington and Manila in the 1997 VFA [Visiting Forces Agreement]. In other words they reneged on their 1992 senate-wide declaration of having no foreign military bases or foreign soldiers based on Filipina soil.

And here were are now in 2015.

Politics, isn't it just a funny , wet , little lady? lol. Love it.

Regards.

I think the main issue was the sexual behaviour of some US soldiers.

 

[Aepsilons]

I think the main issue was the sexual behaviour of some US soldiers.

Have you been in Olangapo and Subic Bay or Clark Air field area? My friend, there was a deluge of a business , sexual entertainment industry there . I speak because I had visited Olangapo years ago with some of my friends on a tour (not that kind of tour, but it was a historical tour to see the old Japanese military sites in the Filipinas and to visit Japanese army graveyard there, as my grand uncle had died in the Philippines --- he was a member of the Imperial Japanese Army, 14th Area Imperial Army, 27th Infantry Battalion)

Even in 2010, there are a lot of sexual sites (brothels, go go bars, karaoke bars) in Olangapo and other former military bases. It is frequented now not by military men, but by local men and by also foreign folks who come there for that kind of 'tour'.

The point is, you cannot put a blame on Americans for starting sexual entertainment industry -- that is an ancient , human-wide trait. Even the Spaniards, who ruled the Filipinas for close to half a millennia , had used that kind of policy.

LOL.....Well, they learned their lesson.

The lesson they learned is how petulant their regionalistic differences were , faction based rivalry and regional-provincial rivalry with Manila had led to the diversion of national funds instead of going to their military defense spending and defense paradigm.

Filipinas under their dictator Marcos was powerful, in fact they had a standing army of over 200,000; had a large navy that fielded destroyer escorts , a massive air force that could have pummeled any foolhardy nation to dare threaten their nation's air space.

However after Marcos, all presidents of the Filipinas -- such as Corazon Aquino, Fidel Ramos and Joseph Estrada -- were weak leaders who did not command the national mandate. Corruption level went through the roof.

It is only recently that they were able to restore semblance of control, and that was under President Aquino III. Because he rules the country with a heavy hand, true to his Confucian (Chinese upbringing) since he is afterall 1/2 Hakka Chinese.

 

[Steve781]

Have you been in Olangapo and Subic Bay or Clark Air field area? My friend, there was a deluge of a business , sexual entertainment industry there . I speak because I had visited Olangapo years ago with some of my friends on a tour (not that kind of tour, but it was a historical tour to see the old Japanese military sites in the Filipinas and to visit Japanese army graveyard there, as my grand uncle had died in the Philippines --- he was a member of the Imperial Japanese Army, 14th Area Imperial Army, 27th Infantry Battalion)

Even in 2010, there are a lot of sexual sites (brothels, go go bars, karaoke bars) in Olangapo and other former military bases. It is frequented now not by military men, but by local men and by also foreign folks who come there for that kind of 'tour'.

The point is, you cannot put a blame on Americans for starting sexual entertainment industry -- that is an ancient , human-wide trait. Even the Spaniards, who ruled the Filipinas for close to half a millennia , had used that kind of policy.

The issue isn't the nationality but young men away from home for long periods.

 

[Aepsilons]

The issue isn't the nationality but young men away from home for long periods.

I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing, however. State prohibition of prostitution only increases the demand and makes risky sexual behavior more apparent. Its better to legalize it in certain areas as it relieves the pressure and provides an outlet for the customers as well as provides some kind of financial restitution for the workers. Provided they are given health check ups as well.

Prohibition on such ancient and basilar demand, my friend, never works. Humans, afterall, are sexual beings.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing, however. State prohibition of prostitution only increases the demand and makes risky sexual behavior more apparent. Its better to legalize it in certain areas as it relieves the pressure and provides an outlet for the customers as well as provides some kind of financial restitution for the workers. Provided they are given health check ups as well.

Prohibition on such ancient and basilar demand, my friend, never works. Humans, afterall, are sexual beings.

In short you cant really ban the world's oldest profession.