Britain's RAF fighters 'bound for Japan for first time in decades' as UK builds military ties

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

Welcome the world's first airport from island reclamation, starting from a rock.

Umm... Kansai International Airport anyone? First opened in 1994, was hit by debt problems around 2000, but I'm pretty sure that was built before China began its island reclamation process.

@Nihonjin1051 any Japanese island reclamation projects, specifically airports, that predate Kansai International?

China wasn't the first. Japan's Island reclamation operations have been happening for years, often with spectacular results, like Chubu Centrair International:

 

[Abacin]

The more other countries talk, the more work done by our patriotic Chinese workers. More and more islands are coming. SCS belongs to China, even though Vietnam and Philippines try to steal it when China was weak. Only China can utilize SCS efficiently while Vietnam and Philippines can only waste their money on those occupies islands.

Umm... Kansai International Airport anyone? First opened in 1994, pretty sure that was before China begun its island reclamation process.

@Nihonjin1051 any Japanese island reclamation projects, specifically airports, that predate Kansai International?

China wasn't the first.

Those are close to cities, just as Hong Kong airports. This is an island built from a rock, far from the major lands.

The more other countries talk, the more work done by our patriotic Chinese workers. More and more islands are coming. SCS belongs to China, even though Vietnam and Philippines try to steal it when China was weak. Only China can utilize SCS efficiently while Vietnam and Philippines can only waste their money on those occupies islands.


Those are close to cities, just as Hong Kong airports. This is an island built from a rock, far from the major lands.

The technology is quite different. SCS island reclamation can only rely on dredging while those airports rely heavily from land support. Chinese technology makes it possible for island reclamation everywhere. You can do it in Atlantic, in Indian Ocean or in Pacific.

Like many pacific islands, if they can align with China, China can easily help them expand their islands many and many times with this techonology.

Like this Yongxu island, it only took two years. Chinese technology has started to become beyond world's imagination. When United States used Vietnam and Philippines as puppies and SCS as the starting point for the Pivital to Asia projects. They had never imagined that Chinese could reclaim islands so well. Now United States's SCS policies have become a mess. It just gave China the chance to build more islands and solidify the control in SCS.

 

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

The technology is quite different.

No it's not. Dredging in the SCS? Happens anywhere you need to built artificial structures or foundations... like during the construction of Kansai International:

Land support? So what do you call hard rocks and reefs? China's building on existing foundations, it's only fortifying them with additional sands and concrete. There is nothing different, away or near the shore, it happens the same way.

Oh, and you're still not the first. The Madlives already built an airport, far from land, on an artificial island:

Looks a lot like what China's building doesn't it? Reef? Check. Extra sand and concrete? Check. Airport? Check.

No different from the islands at Upper Zakum either:

It's not connected to land by the way:

Now cut the sh*t, you're nothing special. Your islands, no matter how proud you are of them, are nothing that hasn't been done before.

 

[Aepsilons]

You're so cute when you get serious @Slave_to_the_waffle ....

 

[Nike]

As two islands with a long history of naval warfare , its only natural that we ought to be strong allies like we were during the first world war.
So yes we will continue deepening our security relations/cooperation with Japan and many other Asian countries.


PM Wants To Rebuild Britain's Military Presence "East Of Suez"

British participation in military exercises in Southeast Asia will be stepped up as a sign of the UK's commitment to the region.

The move is the latest sign of the Government's intention to reverse the decline in engagement "east of Suez" and will see the number of troops involved in the exercises increase from 100 next year to 200 by 2021, with Typhoon aircraft also set to take part in the wargames.

The exercises take place under the Five Powers Defence Arrangement (FPDA), which involves the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore.

Last year, British military personnel took part in Exercise Bersama Lima in Malaysia, including 30 Royal Marines who contributed to training and capability development.

This year the UK will send RAF Typhoons to take part In FPDA exercises alongside other "high-end capabilities", British officials said. The FPDA, which dates back to 1971, means that if Malaysia or Singapore came under attack, the other three allies would consult on what action to take in response.

PM Wants To Rebuild Britain's Military Presence "East Of Suez" | Forces TV

All good news @Nihonjin1051 . If Malaysia or Singapore would allow us to repeat the model we use in the middle east, having a small permanent detachment and deployments from bigger assets. It would be a great way to strengthen ties in the area and develop a presence, even if small at first.

at least you should know about the history of this part of ASEAN region, Indonesia actually reducing her full scale of military build up at price the two (Singapore and Malaysia) reduced the British military Presence on their soil, that's what Soeharto ask as part of peace negotiation during the end of Confrontation to pleased hawkish military and senior ministry officer at the time. And that's allowed the trio (Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore) to chose economic development path instead of triggering arm races.

And you should know, one of the reason why Philippine chose to close Subic and Clark military base, it was because most of ASEAN urging the Philippine to do so

 

[Abacin]

Chinese dredging
Your dredging

Chinese dredging allows China to go land reclamation starting from a rock even 10 m below the sea level and allows to dredging from a large sea bed. while your dredging is very limited. If you think that Chinese dredging is not a technology breakthrough, your wisdom is just the same as those decision makers in USA, Vietnam and Philippines several years ago.

Basically with Chinese dredging technology, those island countries will never worry about the rise of sea level since it is easily to elevate island land level 10-30 meters.

USA picked SCS as the starting point for Pivotal to Asia to contain the rise of China. They thought that with the help of Vietnam and Philippines, the SCS conflicts could be magnified very soon and possibly even Asian NATO could be formed to contain China. But this dredging technology changed the whole geopolitical game. This allows China to build military scale islands within one or two years and will allow Chinese air force to reach important cities within one-two hours. Other ASEAN countries are deterred to join Vietnam and Philippines. Now USA, Vietnam, Philippines can only rely on so called FON or court ruling to save the face.

USA SCS strategy simply gave China the first time in modern history to control SCS and deter ASEAN countries. Ho Chi Min, Manila, Kuala Lumpur, are all within one hour's striking distance. FON or court ruling are just about face saving. China is definitely a strong support of FON since China has the largest trades in this planet. FON is more important to China than to USA. From Iraq, Syria, Lybia and SCS, USA simply didn't show strategic wisdoms.

 

[Nike]

Chinese dredging
Your dredging

Chinese dredging allows China to go land reclamation starting from a rock even 10 m below the sea level and allows to dredging from a large sea bed. while your dredging is very limited. If you think that Chinese dredging is not a technology breakthrough, your wisdom is just the same as those decision makers in USA, Vietnam and Philippines several years ago.

Basically with Chinese dredging technology, those island countries will never worry about the rise of sea level since it is easily to elevate island land level 10-30 meters.

USA picked SCS as the starting point for Pivotal to Asia to contain the rise of China. They thought that with the help of Vietnam and Philippines, the SCS conflicts could be magnified very soon and possibly even Asian NATO could be formed to contain China. But this dredging technology changed the whole geopolitical game. This allows China to build military scale islands within one or two years and will allow Chinese air force to reach important cities within one-two hours. Other ASEAN countries are deterred to join Vietnam and Philippines. Now USA, Vietnam, Philippines can only rely on so called FON or court ruling to save the face.

how can you find materials to dredge an island with area as large as Japan or even four times larger than that?

the world tech is actually allowed to make a reclamation of small area, not much larger than a tiny Island like Singapore, more than that actually not feasible economically and very destructive for environments around it

 

[CCP]

Land support? So what do you call hard rocks and reefs? China's building on existing foundations, it's only fortifying them with additional sands and concrete. There is nothing different, away or near the shore, it happens the same way.

Basically , other countries just add small pieces to their islands but China created islands.

Oh, and you're still not the first. The Madlives already built an airport, far from land, on an artificial island:

LOL , what a lier.
It is not an artificial island at all.

Ibrahim Nasir International Airport

" It is located on Hulhulé Island in the North Malé Atoll"

Ibrahim Nasir International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks a lot like what China's building doesn't it? Reef? Check. Extra sand and concrete? Check. Airport? Check.

No different from the islands at Upper Zakum either:

It's not connected to land by the way:

Now cut the sh*t, you're nothing special. Your islands, no matter how proud you are of them, are nothing that hasn't been done before.

FYI
Upper Zakum oil field
The Upper Zakum Oil Field is an oil field 84 km north west of Abu Dhabi Islands.

 

[Abacin]

how can you find materials to dredge an island with area as large as Japan or even four times larger than that?

the world tech is actually allowed to make a reclamation of small area, not much larger than a tiny Island like Singapore, more than that actually not feasible economically and very destructive for environments around it

Why dredging Japan? Japan should improve relations with China, Korea and Russia and then Japan can gain huge living space. Japanese future is not through Alignment with the East, but alignment with the West. Japanese success during last 150 years was due to Japan as the sole industrial power. But with the rise of China, Korea, or even ASEAN countries, Japanese lead in technology has been greatly reduced. The wrong alignment by Japan will pull Japan deep into the sea.

 

[Nike]

Why dredging Japan? Japan should improve relations with China, Korea and Russia and then Japan can gain huge living space. Japanese future is not through Alignment with the East, but alignment with the West. Japanese success during last 150 years was due to Japan as the sole industrial power. But with the rise of China, Korea, or even ASEAN countries, Japanese lead in technology has been greatly reduced. The wrong alignment by Japan will pull Japan deep into the sea.

i was mentioning your comments about Chinese technology can raising ASEAN islands above the current level, with so many Islands here with an area much larger than Japan, any technology is currently not feasible to do that.

Then why suddenly Japan deep into the sea, theirs had their way of living

 

[Abacin]

i was mentioning your comments about Chinese technology can raising ASEAN islands above the current level, with so many Islands here with an area much larger than Japan, any technology is currently not feasible to do that.

Then why suddenly Japan deep into the sea, theirs had their way of living

I said pacific islands

Many island countries in pacific or Indian oceans worry about the rise of sea level due to global warming. China has solved the problem with this dredging technology for them. But they will not have money to pay for it. The only way China can help them is through strategic partnership. With the rise of China, one day this may become true.

Chinese dredging is very smart and efficient engineering design. You can just dredge sands in the deep sea bed with the sea water. After you blow the sand-water deep into the land, the sea water can flow away by itself. You can reach deep sea bed very far away, and you can blow the sand into the far lands.

 

[dy1022]

i was mentioning your comments about Chinese technology can raising ASEAN islands above the current level, with so many Islands here with an area much larger than Japan, any technology is currently not feasible to do that.

Then why suddenly Japan deep into the sea, theirs had their way of living

$$$ China already spend XXBillions $ in SCS just for 3 small islands !!

if you want to do on a much larger island, guess the $$$ !

 

[Indos]

Indonesia is also currently building concrete on the sea

Tanjung Priok New Port

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 any Japanese island reclamation projects, specifically airports, that predate Kansai International?

Prior to airports, we were focused on general purpose (civilian, farming) land reclamation projects. In fact there are thousands all over Japan. There are just too many to share. But I will share with you one example of Japanese land reclamation that had led to the creation of farmland , particularly in Ogata Mura.

It is completely man made, Japanese made, to be exact:

Umm... Kansai International Airport anyone? First opened in 1994, was hit by debt problems around 2000, but I'm pretty sure that was built before China began its island reclamation process.

@Nihonjin1051 any Japanese island reclamation projects, specifically airports, that predate Kansai International?

China wasn't the first. Japan's Island reclamation operations have been happening for years, often with spectacular results, like Chubu Centrair International:

Another one, my friend, just expanding on this one:

 

[CCP]

Indonesia is also currently building concrete on the sea

Tanjung Priok New Port

Well, you just added a piece of land at the edge of your coast.

You can use fresh water , sand and other construction martial from a few mile away.