Britain will be forced to join an EU ARMY unless we leave, says Armed Forces Minister

[waz]

Is there any chance of rigging in this referendum ? Cameron is desperate to stay in

No chance way to many monitors and the slightest thing is pounced upon by the two leave groups.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

The Claim: Veterans for Britain says the EU is planning the creation of an EU army, which would mean the UK would lose control of its defences.

Reality Check verdict: Many European politicians want to see the creation of an EU army, but EU treaties are clear that it could be blocked by Britain.

A group of retired, senior military officers has issued a warning that staying in the EU would damage Britain's military effectiveness. They say that EU law interferes with operational freedom and that moves to create an EU army are undermining Nato.

But could the UK be forced to join a combined army if it stayed in the EU?

At the moment, Britain takes part in EU military operations through the Common Security and Defence Policy, but those are focused on peace-keeping and humanitarian assistance. And Britain has previously argued against proposals to integrate further the armed forces of member states.

However, there are many senior European politicians who would like to see deeper integration. Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU Commission president, has said that a European army is needed to stand up to Russia. And a recent German government white paper called for progress towards an EU army.

That could be blocked though. Article 42 of the Lisbon Treaty states that what it calls "a common defence" would require unanimity in the European Council. In other words, Britain could veto it. It goes on to say that any such decision would be taken in accordance with the constitutional requirements of member states. That would mean ratification in national parliaments and it could trigger the UK's European Union Act 2011, which would mean a referendum before any powers could be transferred.

Steve Peers, professor of law at the University of Essex, says it is "clearly incorrect" to say that the UK could be forced to join an EU army.

Furthermore, the treaty is clear that any further co-operation in the area of defence should be consistent with Nato commitments.

However, other countries could decide to work together more closely on defence even if the UK wasn't involved. And there will probably be pressure from other countries for more co-operation, even if that falls short of an EU army or any formal transfer of powers.

source : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36383211

 

[flamer84]

Dude it's 8-9 billion net. We are not spouting hogwash and will party hard when we leave. Regret? We'll leave that to you guys in your wonderful Empty Union, sorry European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...w-much-does-Britain-pay-to-the-EU-budget.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216

bye!

You're just unnoficial Yanks anyway !

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Did you guy's know that police forces in UK are using tiny Vauxall Corsa's to save couple of hundred million. Yet billions are given away. Does not make sense.

Link > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...police-force-t-afford-SIRENS-patrol-cars.html

 

[waz]

Wanna be part of 'Merica instead? We've got cheap beer.

They left back in the 17th century remember lol.

bye!

You're just unnoficial Yanks anyway !

The door is going to slam hard when it comes to EU funds.
Unofficial yanks, hmmm, they did come from the empire though.

 

[Taygibay]

If anything, Britain will have to lead that EU army with us.
It is a strategic fact however that Fr has devoted more ressources
over the last 25+ years to that effect than the United Kingdom did.

But it's fun to see Brexit playing "Maya end of the world"/solstice/
AOTKT" vibes on the weakest minds. SNAFU.

Have a great day all, Tay.

 

[flamer84]

The door is going to slam hard when it comes to EU funds.

Germoney would just have to cover it.

 

[Blue Marlin]

scare mongering has worked we are joining the eu most likely. the usa is not gonna be a problem as we have good relations with them we will always stand by the usa

 

[Vergennes]

@waz @Blue Marlin If by any chances UK votes out,how will this affect Scotland ? I heard they are very pro-EU.

Did you guy's know that police forces in UK are using tiny Vauxall Corsa's to save couple of hundred million. Yet billions are given away. Does not make sense.

Link > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...police-force-t-afford-SIRENS-patrol-cars.html

If I was a true brit' I would say 'Stop sending our money overseas!!!' (=foreign aid).

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Germoney would just have to cover it.

For what we have to pay this time?

 

[flamer84]

For what we have to pay this time?

For being leaders of the EU ! ..........












oh yeah,and Greece needs new submarines and a few FREMM's...can't send the poor kid in the Aegean scholl without new clothes

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Do you take a check?

 

[flamer84]

Do you take a check?

Ya.Danke schon !

 

[Indus Pakistan]

'Stop sending our money overseas!

I agree. Charity begins at home. Although lot of the foreign aid has strategic angle to it. Still I can't understand why police are driving in Corsa's, they are cannabalizing motorway hard shoulders to gain extra driving lane when the right thing would have been to build an additional lane.

Link > https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/smart-motorways-creating-significant-risks

 

[Blue Marlin]

@waz @Blue Marlin If by any chances UK votes out,how will this affect Scotland ? I heard they are very pro-EU.



If I was a true brit' I would say 'Stop sending our money overseas!!!' (=foreign aid).

they are left wing yes they probably would but i dont care about them much as it does not concern me.