Britain will be forced to join an EU ARMY unless we leave, says Armed Forces Minister

[Vergennes]

If true,this means that we are going straight toward the creation of an EU army in the near future. @flamer84 @Blue Marlin @waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @SMS Derfflinger @Penguin
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THE Minister in charge of Britain's military has become the first member of the Government to confirm that if the UK remains under Brussels control it will be forced to join an EU army.

The Minister said that as long as the UK remains in the EU it will be forced to join


Armed Forces Minister Penny Mordaunt made the warning following revelations in the Daily Express that the Lisbon Treaty obliges Britain to join the EU Army.

It also follows further shocking revelations that a plan to create it will be tabled the day after the Britain's EU referendum in a bid to keep the nightmare scenario hidden from British.

A policy paper drawn up by the European Union's foreign policy chief suggests the organisation could "step up" its contribution to security defence.


According to reports from Brussels the plans being prepared by Federica Mogherini are being kept secret until after the UK's referendum on EU membership on June 23.

The paper urges the EU to create defence structures using mechanisms set out in the 2009 Lisbon treaty.

The draft said: "The EU can step up its contribution to Europe's security and defence.

"Our external action must become more joined up across policy areas, institutions and member states. Greater unity of purpose is needed across the policy areas making up our external action."

The proposals refer to "permanent structured defence co-operation" powers that allow a group of nine or more EU states to press ahead with plans for a military headquarters.

It follows an agreement by the Germans and Dutch to merge their army and navy to form the nucleus of a single EU military force.

Talks are also ongoing to include the Czechs and under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, signed in 2007 by Gordon Brown, the Anglo-French defence arrangement means that Britain and France would also be obliged to join the EU army.

Worryingly for many in the Brexit campaign, Prime Minister David Cameron has broken a promise to withdraw Britain from the European Defence Agency, set up with the specific intention of creating a single EU military force.

Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel campaign to get the UK out of Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/673463/Britain-forced-EU-ARMY-leave-Armed-Forces-Minister

 

[UKBengali]

UK would most probably vote to leave EU.

This revelation only gives Exiters more firepower.

 

[flamer84]

If true,this means that we are going straight toward the creation of an EU army in the near future. @flamer84 @Blue Marlin @waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @SMS Derfflinger @Penguin
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THE Minister in charge of Britain's military has become the first member of the Government to confirm that if the UK remains under Brussels control it will be forced to join an EU army.

The Minister said that as long as the UK remains in the EU it will be forced to join


Armed Forces Minister Penny Mordaunt made the warning following revelations in the Daily Express that the Lisbon Treaty obliges Britain to join the EU Army.

It also follows further shocking revelations that a plan to create it will be tabled the day after the Britain's EU referendum in a bid to keep the nightmare scenario hidden from British.

A policy paper drawn up by the European Union's foreign policy chief suggests the organisation could "step up" its contribution to security defence.


According to reports from Brussels the plans being prepared by Federica Mogherini are being kept secret until after the UK's referendum on EU membership on June 23.

The paper urges the EU to create defence structures using mechanisms set out in the 2009 Lisbon treaty.

The draft said: "The EU can step up its contribution to Europe's security and defence.

"Our external action must become more joined up across policy areas, institutions and member states. Greater unity of purpose is needed across the policy areas making up our external action."

The proposals refer to "permanent structured defence co-operation" powers that allow a group of nine or more EU states to press ahead with plans for a military headquarters.

It follows an agreement by the Germans and Dutch to merge their army and navy to form the nucleus of a single EU military force.

Talks are also ongoing to include the Czechs and under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, signed in 2007 by Gordon Brown, the Anglo-French defence arrangement means that Britain and France would also be obliged to join the EU army.

Worryingly for many in the Brexit campaign, Prime Minister David Cameron has broken a promise to withdraw Britain from the European Defence Agency, set up with the specific intention of creating a single EU military force.

Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel campaign to get the UK out of Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/673463/Britain-forced-EU-ARMY-leave-Armed-Forces-Minister

This is all just propaganda before the BREXIT vote.

Seriously,what steps were taken for a EU Army ? Even little ones ? I know nothing of the sort.Obviously,she's in the Leave camp and she tries scaremongering tactics.Cheap ones,if you ask me....

 

[Vergennes]

There is no real friendship in the EU. Polish, French and already all victims of the WW2 hate Germany.

We hate their politicians,not the country and the people.

This is all just propaganda before the BREXIT vote.she's in the Leave camp and she tries scaremongering tactics.Cheap ones,if you ask me....

I was thinking about it.
Being curious,I googled what was written on the bus. "We send £350 million......",and just found that the 'Vote leave' campaigners are claiming that the UK is sending EU £350 million a week,and I found this.
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UK doesn’t send EU £350m a week or £55m a day

A favourite eurosceptic myth is that Britain sends £350 million a week or £55 million a day to Brussels. Nigel Farage, Daniel Hannan, Priti Patel and Vote Leave are just some of the people and organisations that have spouted these inaccurate figures.

Until now, they have been able to hide behind Full Fact, the fact-checking website. It produced research in 2014 saying ‘it’s reasonable to describe £55 million as our ‘membership fee’, but it ignores the fact that we get money back as well”. If you put £55 million a day into Google, its research is the top result. But, after InFacts pointed out errors in its calculation, Full Fact corrected their piece.

In 2015, Britain actually sent £250 million a week to the EU. After accounting for the money the Brussels sent back to Britain and EU spending we include in our foreign aid target, the net cost was £120 million a week or £17 million a day. Per person, that’s 26p a day – or half the price of a Mars bar.

This is a fraction of the benefits we have got from being part of the EU’s single market. And remember that if we wanted to leave the EU but stay in the single market, like Norway, we’d most likely still have to pay a membership fee. Norway’s net payment per person is about the same as ours.

The rebate never goes to Brussels

Last year our notional contribution to the EU was £17.8 billion (£340 million a week). But the UK gets a rebate, which is deducted from our payments. Margaret Thatcher fought hard for this rebate when she was prime minister. It is never sent to Brussels.

Our 2015 rebate was about £4.9 billion, so we actually sent Brussels £12.9 billion or just under £250 million a week. Funny how eurosceptics, for most of whom Thatcher is a hero, have forgotten one of her best known achievements.

The EU sends money back

But describing £250 million a week as the “cost” of being in the EU would be misleading. Last year the EU sent the British government £4.4 billion to spend in the UK, mainly on farming and regional aid. It also gives money directly to the private sector, in particular for research. In 2013, the last year for which the government has published figures, this amounted to £1.4 billion.

Moreover, we are committed to spend 0.7% of our national income on official aid for developing countries. When we calculate our total spending, we include our share of EU aid –£816 million in 2014.

We would likely maintain our support for agriculture, the regions, science and developing countries after a Brexit. The amount the Treasury actually pays for membership is £6.3 billion a year. That’s £17m a day, or 26p each – half the price of a Mars bar.

We wouldn’t save that much if we left. If we wanted privileged access to the EU market along the lines of that enjoyed by Norway, we would have to pay for it. The net payment Norway makes for its arrangement is about the same as ours per person.

But if we didn’t have full access, any savings on contributions could well be wiped out by economic turmoil. Far from adding to the Chancellor’s piggy bank, a Brexit could deplete the government’s financial resources.

Full Fact has issued a timely correction to its research, and will no longer provide intellectual cover for the £55 million a day figure. It’s time for eurosceptics to stop using it too.

http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/

 

[Blue Marlin]

If true,this means that we are going straight toward the creation of an EU army in the near future. @flamer84 @Blue Marlin @waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @SMS Derfflinger @Penguin
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THE Minister in charge of Britain's military has become the first member of the Government to confirm that if the UK remains under Brussels control it will be forced to join an EU army.

The Minister said that as long as the UK remains in the EU it will be forced to join


Armed Forces Minister Penny Mordaunt made the warning following revelations in the Daily Express that the Lisbon Treaty obliges Britain to join the EU Army.

It also follows further shocking revelations that a plan to create it will be tabled the day after the Britain's EU referendum in a bid to keep the nightmare scenario hidden from British.

A policy paper drawn up by the European Union's foreign policy chief suggests the organisation could "step up" its contribution to security defence.


According to reports from Brussels the plans being prepared by Federica Mogherini are being kept secret until after the UK's referendum on EU membership on June 23.

The paper urges the EU to create defence structures using mechanisms set out in the 2009 Lisbon treaty.

The draft said: "The EU can step up its contribution to Europe's security and defence.

"Our external action must become more joined up across policy areas, institutions and member states. Greater unity of purpose is needed across the policy areas making up our external action."

The proposals refer to "permanent structured defence co-operation" powers that allow a group of nine or more EU states to press ahead with plans for a military headquarters.

It follows an agreement by the Germans and Dutch to merge their army and navy to form the nucleus of a single EU military force.

Talks are also ongoing to include the Czechs and under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, signed in 2007 by Gordon Brown, the Anglo-French defence arrangement means that Britain and France would also be obliged to join the EU army.

Worryingly for many in the Brexit campaign, Prime Minister David Cameron has broken a promise to withdraw Britain from the European Defence Agency, set up with the specific intention of creating a single EU military force.

Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel campaign to get the UK out of Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/673463/Britain-forced-EU-ARMY-leave-Armed-Forces-Minister

looks like it i think we have had enough of the usa being the world police man. theres gonna be a new sherrif in town

a single european country [ lets pick on spain here] is quiet weak when compared to larger world powers such as russia or china. but when you combine all of those small countries together then your looking at a large lethal force.

 

[flamer84]

We hate their politicians,not the country and the people.



I was thinking about it.
Being curious,I googled what was written on the bus. "We send £350 million......",and just found that the 'Vote leave' campaigners are claiming that the UK is sending EU £350 million a week,and I found this.
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UK doesn’t send EU £350m a week or £55m a day




http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/

The amount of hogwash spouted by the Leave camp is mind boggling.I want them to leave just to stop this drama and to see them regretting afterwards.

 

[vostok]

I do not believe that Britain leaves the European Union. Most likely, it's just bargaining for something.

 

[T-72M1]

Hope they vote to leave, they'll be better off for it.

 

[waz]

The amount of hogwash spouted by the Leave camp is mind boggling.I want them to leave just to stop this drama and to see them regretting afterwards.

Dude it's 8-9 billion net. We are not spouting hogwash and will party hard when we leave. Regret? We'll leave that to you guys in your wonderful Empty Union, sorry European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...w-much-does-Britain-pay-to-the-EU-budget.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am going to go with "Vote Leave". £6.5 billion is large figure and nothing to be scoffed at. It could be invested in transport (where this figure would represent almost 20% boost) or education. I expect though we will lose. Many companies are using their leverage to weigh in on the "Stay" camp and we know the corporate sector gets it's way most of the time. Money talks and b***t walks.

UK is a vibrant, dynamic world class economy. Why should it limit itself to playing in Europe? The world market is the arena and the where the future is. Most EU countries can't play beyond Europe. UK can and has done well so time to think big again. Think global.

 

[waz]

I do not believe that Britain leaves the European Union. Most likely, it's just bargaining for something.

We will, I hope and it couldn't come sooner for the people.

If true,this means that we are going straight toward the creation of an EU army in the near future. @flamer84 @Blue Marlin @waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @SMS Derfflinger @Penguin
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THE Minister in charge of Britain's military has become the first member of the Government to confirm that if the UK remains under Brussels control it will be forced to join an EU army.

The Minister said that as long as the UK remains in the EU it will be forced to join


Armed Forces Minister Penny Mordaunt made the warning following revelations in the Daily Express that the Lisbon Treaty obliges Britain to join the EU Army.

It also follows further shocking revelations that a plan to create it will be tabled the day after the Britain's EU referendum in a bid to keep the nightmare scenario hidden from British.

A policy paper drawn up by the European Union's foreign policy chief suggests the organisation could "step up" its contribution to security defence.


According to reports from Brussels the plans being prepared by Federica Mogherini are being kept secret until after the UK's referendum on EU membership on June 23.

The paper urges the EU to create defence structures using mechanisms set out in the 2009 Lisbon treaty.

The draft said: "The EU can step up its contribution to Europe's security and defence.

"Our external action must become more joined up across policy areas, institutions and member states. Greater unity of purpose is needed across the policy areas making up our external action."

The proposals refer to "permanent structured defence co-operation" powers that allow a group of nine or more EU states to press ahead with plans for a military headquarters.

It follows an agreement by the Germans and Dutch to merge their army and navy to form the nucleus of a single EU military force.

Talks are also ongoing to include the Czechs and under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, signed in 2007 by Gordon Brown, the Anglo-French defence arrangement means that Britain and France would also be obliged to join the EU army.

Worryingly for many in the Brexit campaign, Prime Minister David Cameron has broken a promise to withdraw Britain from the European Defence Agency, set up with the specific intention of creating a single EU military force.

Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel campaign to get the UK out of Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/673463/Britain-forced-EU-ARMY-leave-Armed-Forces-Minister

She is part of Vote Leave, so this is an excellent weapon to use. The British people want no part of the so called "EU army".

 

[Vergennes]

We will, I hope and it couldn't come sooner for the people. She is part of Vote Leave, so this is an excellent weapon to use. The British people want no part of the so called "EU army".

There are no chances to anyway. @flamer84
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UK won’t be dragged into EU army

Myth: UK will be dragged into an EU army against its will

InFact: EU army is unlikely to emerge – but in any case the UK could veto the idea, as long as it remains in the EU.

More information

That British soldiers might be forced to fight under an EU flag seems to worry Brexiteers. “In Brussels, they are hell-bent on building a European army, navy and air force,” said Nigel Farage at a March Guardian Live event. Meanwhile Vote Leave note that the Lisbon Treaty envisages the creation of a European army. They cite EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, his predecessor Romano Prodi, and Tony Blair as calling for one.

Such a move would indeed be a significant loss of sovereignty. But it is not going to happen. EU military efforts remain tentative and are largely intergovernmental rather than EU-based. And given the UK veto, the only way an EU armed force might emerge would be to vote to leave.

EU army legally possible but unlikely

To create a European army, you would probably have to invoke Article 42(2) of the Treaty on European Union relating to common defence. But that is unlikely. “Hell will freeze over before that happens,” says Nick Witney from the European Council on Foreign Relations. Any step towards common defence would have to be decided unanimously. Not only would the UK have to hold a referendum, but other EU nations would be hesitant to give Brussels such control.

Juncker supported an EU army both before and after taking office. But his comments come across more like a personal aspiration than a practical goal. Pursuing an EU army was not on the to-do list he sent Federica Mogherini, the commissioner for foreign affairs to whom the task would presumably fall. His political guidelines – a sort of manifesto for his mandate at the Commission – do not use the phrase.

A leaked document from Germany, seen by the Financial Times, apparently floats invoking the treaty measures on EU defence between those EU countries who are willing, as well as coordinating production of military equipment. Support from Berlin would be nothing new – the German coalition agreement commits to moving towards “a European army with parliamentary oversight”. But German support alone is not enough.

The German plans build on a provision in the treaty that would allow a subset of countries to press ahead with their own military projects – which Juncker refers to as “permanent structured cooperation”. But, as the Commission’s own internal think-tank has noted, that would have to be voluntary. “One could fantasise that that might happen… but there is no appetite currently,” Witney says. Notwithstanding Berlin’s positive noises, he reckons “Germany is not going to allow its troops to be deployed or its defence budget spent by anyone other than its own government and parliament”. Witney should know. He was the first boss of the intergovernmental and voluntary European Defence Agency.

Other EU defence policy modest and ad hoc

In the meantime, EU defence policy is more cadet than field marshal. Operations under thecommon security and defence policy, while worthy, are episodic and ad hoc. Current projects include training anti-jihadists in Mali and disrupting human traffickers in the Mediterranean. Witney says the policy entails few obligations. Member states can veto each operation and largely decide how much to contribute on a case-by-case basis. So stand at ease, Corporal Farage.

In fact, the UK has been remarkably pragmatic about military cooperation. Our NATO membership requires us to take part in collective defence should Turkey or Estonia be attacked, and the UK has also signed defence deals with France. If any of that represents a loss of sovereignty, few seem to find it controversial. Nonetheless, the prospect of the UK getting dragged into an EU army against its will are zero.[/quote]

http://infacts.org/mythbusts/uk-wont-dragged-eu-army/
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[Proudpakistaniguy]

Is there any chance of rigging in this referendum ? Cameron is desperate to stay in

 

[UKBengali]

I do not believe that Britain leaves the European Union. Most likely, it's just bargaining for something.

The UK government will not control how people vote in the referendum.

Over the last decade, EU immigration has been a disaster for working class uk people,
and it will not stop unless the UK gets out.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Don't mind me, just checking up on how our c̶o̶l̶o̶n̶i̶e̶s̶ friends in Europe are doing.