Brexit - the gift that keeps giving

[Isotope]

Yes lorry drivers earn a lot nowadays because the european drivers left to work in their home countries and the shortage of drivers pushing companies to raise their salary
Yeah GP's earn round about £16-20 an hour on salary and £90-£100 per hour on locum work

Thank you for the information. I think that seems pretty close to what semi truck drivers make in the US. But I heard it's a tough job.

I don't know much at all about cost of living in England compared to here in the US, but doesn't £16-20 seem a bit low for GPs after all their education, however it is what it is. Which also me wonder out of curiosity how much per year on average an experienced engineer with a graduate (Master's) degree makes in England?

 

[Hyde]

Thank you for the information. I think that seems pretty close to what semi truck drivers make in the US. But I heard it's a tough job.

I don't know much at all about cost of living in England compared to here in the US, but doesn't £16-20 seem a bit low for GPs after all their education and I am only guessing. Which also me wonder out of curiosity how much per year on average an experienced engineer with a graduate (Master's) degree makes in England?

An average salary of "NHS" Doctors in UK is not high compared to other countries but it doesn't mean they don't earn enough. The calculation is depending upon the region of UK but lets say the GP working in London will earn 10k per session and each session lasts for 3 hour. So that's about 3 x 48 = 144 hour or 864 hour per year for 6 sessions which translates into £69 per hour and 6x sessions for £10,000 is £60,000 and then they pay taxes of about £21,000 meaning they take home about £39,000 per year. That's £39000 / 12 = £3250 per month in net salary. Now here comes the tricky part, most GP's don't work for 3 hour session, they have to do a lot of admin work which basically means if they start from early morning 9-12am --- they wouldn't go home after 12 to come back later at 4... they will still be doing admin work like hospital referrals, notes, private appointments, home visits etc and then kicks in the evening session so practically they are working for 8-10 hour a day which will push their hourly income to low and when you think like they have worked for 10 hour a day for 3x days that's 30 hour per week and that's 1440 hour per year for £39,000 which means about £27 per hour in net income. So yeah its not £20 but around £30 per hour.... and this price reflects for London and if you go outside London, you might find GP's doing each session for £8000 as well

Source: Family

PS: Unless the GP's work overtime or at private hospitals the salary is reasonably OK but not so high as many taxi, bus or lorry drivers will end up earning £50 to £70k but in Europe the GP's are earning way more as its private healthcare and I know someone in Ireland who once told me an average GP will easily earn around £100,000 minimum but can't say for sure as I don't live there

I think I had enough off topic discussion so please back to topic. I might delete this post later

 

[313ghazi]

Latest news - fuel shortages.

My local pump had no diesel yesterday.

Drivers told not to let fuel tanks get below a quarter in fuel crisis

Downing Street is growing increasingly 'worried' over a brewing 'winter of discontent' - with Christmas ruined by soaring energy bills, food and fuel shortages and Universal Credit cuts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ali_Baba]

- CO2 shortage has nothing to do with Brexit - but high gas prices that is affecting all countries and where our 2 plants that produce C02 decided to shut down as it was too expensive for them to operate.

- The lorry driver shortage is hitting all of the EU as well as the UK - dont see how that can be placed fully at the foot of Brexit either, it is a contributor. It has made somethings tings worse for sure. The solution is the one we are pursuing - ie force the industry to raise wages and improve working conditions for drivers(which is a good thing!!!) to make it an attractive career rather than simply importing cheaper EU resources which will make the problem worse as and not better since that will force wages down and stop the ability to grow this in the UK. Additionally - the UK goverment has changed the Tax regime for IR35 meaning they are paying a bit more tax(ie not treated as self employed) which meant some drivers left as that cost/reward ratio changed. Once again - nothing to do with Brexit - but local UK tax planning. That adds to the cause.

Some of the changes around customs have forced more pressure on the industry for sure - but it is a complex problem with many variables contributing to a perfect storm.

The issue is fundamentally a transport industry in the UK that wants to keep its cheap disposable labour that accepts poor working conditions so that it can maximise its profits rather than invest in locals by paying a good living wage and is forcing the issue by creating a problem that has the optics and effect that it is having now. Lack of EU cheap labour is not a suprise and the industry could and should have planned for it, itself.

recent report by Transport Intelligence highlighted the fact that Britain is not alone in Europe when it comes to HGV driver shortages. Data from 2020 shows Germany short of 45,00-65,000 drivers, while in Poland, whose population is just over 50% of the UK's, the number is almost 124,000 - noticeably higher than the 100,000 UK figure referred to by the RHA. Despite this, shelves in Poland's supermarkets are fully stocked. Moreover, there are next-to-no reports of pubs or restaurants experiencing supply chain issues. Naturally, this begs the question, how can this disparity exist despite the driver shortage arguably being worse in Poland? In order to find out why, we spoke to Michael Clover, Transport Intelligence's Head Of Commercial Development.

There’s a Europe-wide HGV driver shortage. So why do UK supply chains seem more disrupted?

There’s a Europe-wide HGV driver shortage. So why do UK supply chains seem more disrupted?

trans.info

 

[313ghazi]

- CO2 shortage has nothing to do with Brexit - but high gas prices that is affecting all countries and where our 2 plants that produce C02 decided to shut down as it was too expensive for them to operate.

- The lorry driver shortage is hitting all of the EU as well as the UK - dont see how that can be placed fully at the foot of Brexit either, it is a contributor. It has made somethings tings worse for sure. The solution is the one we are pursuing - ie force the industry to raise wages and improve working conditions for drivers(which is a good thing!!!) to make it an attractive career rather than simply importing cheaper EU resources which will make the problem worse as and not better since that will force wages down and stop the ability to grow this in the UK. Additionally - the UK goverment has changed the Tax regime for IR35 meaning they are paying a bit more tax(ie not treated as self employed) which meant some drivers left as that cost/reward ratio changed. Once again - nothing to do with Brexit - but local UK tax planning. That adds to the cause.

Some of the changes around customs have forced more pressure on the industry for sure - but it is a complex problem with many variables contributing to a perfect storm.

The issue is fundamentally a transport industry in the UK that wants to keep its cheap disposable labour that accepts poor working conditions so that it can maximise its profits rather than invest in locals by paying a good living wage and is forcing the issue by creating a problem that has the optics and effect that it is having now. Lack of EU cheap labour is not a suprise and the industry could and should have planned for it, itself.

There’s a Europe-wide HGV driver shortage. So why do UK supply chains seem more disrupted?

There’s a Europe-wide HGV driver shortage. So why do UK supply chains seem more disrupted?

trans.info

Where else in the EU are gas companies collapsing, feul shortages, food shortages?

None of this is 100% the fault of Brexit, but is definitely linked to the mismanagement of Brexit.

 

[MH.Yang]

I didn't expect that the British govt should be so incompetent.

 

[Pandora]

This is what happens when you start ridding on extreme Nationalism and forget about consequences. It was obvious from start that Brexit was a massive blunder and was only being pushed by bunch of populist hawks. UK in its desperate attempt to seem independent of EU will face major economic repercussions in coming years.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is what happens when you start ridding on extreme Nationalism and forget about consequences. It was obvious from start that Brexit was a massive blunder and was only being pushed by bunch of populist hawks. UK in its desperate attempt to seem independent of EU will face major economic repercussions in coming years.

What utter rubbish - truly rubbish.

The goverment does not get involved in the training of shop workers when all the Eu workers went home - the retail industry planned and executed its response.

So - why should it get involved in trainning and ensuring the HGV drivers are available? Why didn't the haulage industry organise itself and hire replacements and make sure they are trained and available?

I can go on and on about what a goverment is meant to get involved in and what it should not be getting involved in. The haulage industry has dropped the ball and they are to blame - not the goverment and not "Brexit".

All of this could have been taken care of with adequate planning by the haulage industry ...

 

[313ghazi]

I didn't expect that the British govt should be so incompetent.

This current government has pushed the boundaries of incompetence beyond all known levels and continue to do so on a daily basis. There is not a single grain of honesty and integrity in these people. The leadership is nearly silent on the issues affecting the country.

 

[Pandora]

What utter rubbish - truly rubbish.

The goverment does not get involved in the training of shop workers when all the Eu workers went home - the retail industry planned and executed its response.

So - why should it get involved in trainning and ensuring the HGV drivers are available? Why didn't the haulage industry organise itself and hire replacements and make sure they are trained and available?

I can go on and on about what a goverment is meant to get involved in and what it should not be getting involved in. The haulage industry has dropped the ball and they are to blame - not the goverment and not "Brexit".

All of this could have been taken care of with adequate planning by the haulage industry ...

Such a massive step like brexit and no planning at all should tell you that it was a political decision. Rational people were advocating for less haste but it was as if some people were on mission to look cool bcz of Brexit. These things should have been considered when you have such a massive working community from EU.

Brexit will be a gift that will keep giving not doubt about it.

 

[313ghazi]

What utter rubbish - truly rubbish.

The goverment does not get involved in the training of shop workers when all the Eu workers went home - the retail industry planned and executed its response.

So - why should it get involved in trainning and ensuring the HGV drivers are available? Why didn't the haulage industry organise itself and hire replacements and make sure they are trained and available?

I can go on and on about what a goverment is meant to get involved in and what it should not be getting involved in. The haulage industry has dropped the ball and they are to blame - not the goverment and not "Brexit".

All of this could have been taken care of with adequate planning by the haulage industry ...

Breaking news - govt to relax visa regulations for foreign lorry drivers.

 

[khansaheeb]

Good.

bad and ugly. UK is heading for inflation and chaos and unemployment.

 

[CatSultan]

bad and ugly. UK is heading for inflation and chaos and unemployment.

Good.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Breaking news - govt to relax visa regulations for foreign lorry drivers.

Yep - looks like the Goverment is stepping in to fix the problems the Haulage industry f--- ups. The lack of strategic planning by the haulage industry is shocking when you consider how all of the other industries have prepared their plans and executed them successfully.

The Visa will not fix anything as demand for drivers on mainland Europe is so high and their have their own shortages to deal with as economies of Europe start to open up now that the worst of the pandemic is past us.

Brexit was known since June 2016, this should not be a suprise to anyone ...

 

[313ghazi]

Yep - looks like the Goverment is stepping in to fix the problems the Haulage industry f--- ups. The lack of strategic planning by the haulage industry is shocking when you consider how all of the other industries have prepared their plans and executed them successfully.

The Visa will not fix anything as demand for drivers on mainland Europe is so high and their have their own shortages to deal with as economies of Europe start to open up now that the worst of the pandemic is past us.

Brexit was known since June 2016, this should not be a suprise to anyone ...

Nobody knew until the very last minute that we were going to have a no deal brexit. This is a Tory mess.