BREAKING: Russia will provide Turkey with technology for fifth-gen fighter jet

[925boy]

There is reason US is against Turkey and Russia military relationship.

and there is reason Russia is doing EVERYTHING it can to tear Turkey away from NATO..

 

[Yankee-stani]

and there is reason Russia is doing EVERYTHING it can to tear Turkey away from NATO..

Vladmir Zhirinovsky who happens to be long time Russian Nationalist leader and Pro Putin politician has long pushed for Russia to lure Turkey away he is been pushing that since the mid 2000s and he knows the Turkish language and does trips there regularly

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If Russia say they will do it, then its happening. Don't be jelly.

The Russians said ‘they would do it’ when India was investing in their 5th Gen program, and India backed out because the Russians weren’t sharing anything significant.

The Russians are throwing out these Pie in the sky claims to wean Turkey away from the US orbit, but at the end of the day their ability to deliver is nowhere close to what the US already has in terms of the F-35.

 

[925boy]

Yep and they only have Israelis to blame. Israel isolated Turkey and now America will pay

I think you got "US" and "Israel" all reversed. Replace US with Israel(and vice versa) and i believe that will be accurate.

So this is what you really meant to say:

Yep and they only have Americans to blame. US isolated Turkey and now Israel will pay

yes, i agree with this.

 

[t1000]

Vladmir Zhirinovsky who happens to be long time Russian Nationalist leader and Pro Putin politician has long pushed for Russia to lure Turkey away he is been pushing that since the mid 2000s and he knows the Turkish language and does trips there regularly

Vladimir Volfovich is generally considered to be the clown in russian politics.
But yes, russia would be delighted to pull turkey away from nato as that will loosen nato control over chokepoints bosporus & dardanelles.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Vladimir Volfovich is generally considered to be the clown in russian politics.
But yes, russia would be delighted to pull turkey away from nato as that will loosen nato control over chokepoints bosporus & dardanelles.

Of course he is clown in Russian domestic politics he is Putin lackey to siphon votes away from hardcore nationalists and Sovoks Soviet types my point he is gets one thing right about Russian geo political designs in Anatolia and Southern Caucasus region

 

[t1000]

The Russians said ‘they would do it’ when India was investing in their 5th Gen program, and India backed out because the Russians weren’t sharing anything significant.

The Russians are throwing out these Pie in the sky claims to wean Turkey away from the US orbit, but at the end of the day their ability to deliver is nowhere close to what the US already has in terms of the F-35.

Honestly I think the real reason india dropped su57 is because india is slowly but surely aligning with the US.
BJP and its ancestors like rss and so on were always pro-west/pro-anglo; a sharp turn towards the US and away from RUS was noticed after 2014 (aka tea-seller)
I'm pretty sure india will get even less from the USA than it does from RUS in terms of military tech.

 

[Nein]

Last time I read ottomans were screwed royally by the then Soviets....
Correct me if I am wrong

The Ottoman Empire dissolved in 1923 I think you refering to the Russian Empire that dissolved in 1917

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecon...ed-turkish-nationalists-over-communists-87151

Soviet provided the Turks with gold and weaponry which was significant in Turkish victory in their civil war relations only went down after WW2 when Stalin got too arrogant and wanted control of the passages of key Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits and Yanks luring Turkey and Greece via the Marshall Plan @Nein[/QUOTE]

Our relations with the soviets were good it was stalin that fcked it up. Also the increasing fear mongering of communism in Turkey also played a role into the arms of the USA.

It sucks because we could have benefitted from relations with the soviets.

Non aligned was the way to go.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Honestly I think the real reason india dropped su57 is because india is slowly but surely aligning with the US.
BJP and its ancestors like rss and so on were always pro-west/pro-anglo; a sharp turn towards the US and away from RUS was noticed after 2014 (aka tea-seller)
I'm pretty sure india will get even less from the USA than it does from RUS in terms of military tech.

Yeah India is slowly but surely "abandoning" the long institutionalized policy of neutrality been doing it for it whole since post 91 order but BJP has accelerated the process I see in the next decade US balancing ties with Pak and India for differing roles Pak will be used for Afghanistan and India to counter the juggernaut China

The Ottoman Empire dissolved in 1923 I think you refering to the Russian Empire that dissolved in 1917

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecon...ed-turkish-nationalists-over-communists-87151

Soviet provided the Turks with gold and weaponry which was significant in Turkish victory in their civil war relations only went down after WW2 when Stalin got too arrogant and wanted control of the passages of key Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits and Yanks luring Turkey and Greece via the Marshall Plan @Nein

Our relations with the soviets were good it was stalin that fcked it up. Also the increasing fear mongering of communism in Turkey also played a role into the arms of the USA.

It sucks because we could have benefitted from relations with the soviets.

Non aligned was the way to go.[/QUOTE]

Turkey and Russia have been weird bed fellows over the centuries same goes with Turkic groups and Slavs enemies once than best buds than enemies going to the 20th century I really think the Cold War just pushed the Turks away from the Soviets and Stalin arrogance probably his Georgianess got in a way

 

[dBSPL]

Soviet provided the Turks with gold and weaponry which was significant in Turkish victory in their civil war relations only went down after WW2 when Stalin got too arrogant and wanted control of the passages of key Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits and Yanks luring Turkey and Greece via the Marshall Plan @Nein

Your attempt to distribute false and misleading information about Turkish history here now pushes our nerve endings. Please stop commenting on Turkish history with two lines of google searches.

This is incorrect information. Soviet gold aid did not play a vital role. As a matter of fact, this was not soviet commie gold either.

The incoming gold did not belong to the Soviet treasury. It was not the Russian aid, it was the gold of the Bukhara Emirates. So its a Uzbek commun's help. This was one of the conditions of Bukhara's participation in the soviets. Moreover, only 10% of the money from the Bukhara treasury has reached Anatolia. The amount allocated from the treasury of Bukhara Emirate for Turkish aid was approximately 100 million rubles. The cash aid reaching Anatolia was nearly 10 million rubles. Other parts were stolen by the Communist party. Russian troops and the Red Bukharans, undergo a great plunder in Bukhara for three days following the invasion. Finally, after the looting was over, the occupation commander of Turkistan began to collect the looted treasure from the soldiers in return for signature. Very few of the remaining treasure has reached Anatolia.

Osman Hodja, the first and last president of the Republic of Bukhara, explained this issue in detail, with his book. In addition, Uzbek historian-writer Nabican Bakiyev documented how confiscation of Emir's treasure, in his book "The Testament of Enver Pasha", which he used Soviet intelligence archives.

In a nutshell a delegation went to Moscow from Turkey, yes, but Moscow has been reluctant to give assistance as requested. Osman Kocaoğlu met Lenin in Moscow and created this agreement. However, no condition of the agreement was fulfilled as expected.

In the history of the establishment of the Soviets, there is nothing but genocide, looting and deception. The approach to Turkey was based on entirely political interests. Of course, even here, they did not refrain from taking their own tribute.

Source books for those who want to read more about the subject:

Osman Kocaoglu, "Rus Yardımının İç Yüzü" (the real truths about Russian aid) , Our Recent History, Vol.1, Number 10 (May 1972), pp.292-293, 1972.

Raci Çakırgöz, 10 Years in Tsarist and Bolshevik Russia, Belge Publications, 1990.

Nabican Bakiyev, The Testament of Enver Pasha, East Library, 2006.

 

[khanmubashir]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1196006310304788480

Russians first got Indians to invest billions in it's pakfa but didn't gave any significant tot
latter; Indians ditched it saying it too expensive and incapable

hope Russians don't scam Turkey now

I bet Turks have more.expetise in 5 gen jets then Russian being major partner in f35 before

I still don't get why Turks chose s400 over f35 when Turks had already spent billions into f35 and s400 could not shoot a single jet or missile in Syria

 

[maximuswarrior]

Honestly I think the real reason india dropped su57 is because india is slowly but surely aligning with the US.
BJP and its ancestors like rss and so on were always pro-west/pro-anglo; a sharp turn towards the US and away from RUS was noticed after 2014 (aka tea-seller)
I'm pretty sure india will get even less from the USA than it does from RUS in terms of military tech.

The Americans never share ToT. Never.

 

[t1000]

Yeah India is slowly but surely "abandoning" the long institutionalized policy of neutrality been doing it for it whole since post 91 order but BJP has accelerated the process I see in the next decade US balancing ties with Pak and India for differing roles Pak will be used for Afghanistan and India to counter the juggernaut China

India is a country where the majority of people do not have proper calorie intake and there is an unfathomable abyss between the rich and the people in abject poverty.
All BJP can do is blow up the pakistan = evil and muslims = bad guy song to get local votes in the cowbelt region, and play up the China bogeyman to get alms from USA.
India and perhaps the whole sub-continent would have been a much better place were it not for these RSS dogs.

 

[Yankee-stani]

India is a country where the majority of people do not have proper calorie intake and there is an unfathomable abyss between the rich and the people in abject poverty.
All BJP can do is blow up the pakistan = evil and muslims = bad guy song to get local votes in the cowbelt region, and play up the China bogeyman to get alms from USA.
India and perhaps the whole sub-continent would have been a much better place were it not for these RSS dogs.

I mean I wish we can stop this massive arms build up and Kashmir issue is solved so we can help living standards up but India keeps going they are a juggernaut in Asia as always

 

[Attila the Hun]

Russians first got Indians to invest billions in it's pakfa but didn't gave any significant tot
latter; Indians ditched it saying it too expensive and incapable

hope Russians don't scam Turkey now

I bet Turks have more.expetise in 5 gen jets then Russian being major partner in f35 before

I still don't get why Turks chose s400 over f35 when Turks had already spent billions into f35 and s400 could not shoot a single jet or missile in Syria

We know how to deal with Tatars better than Hindus