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Q1: Where is this accurate assessment of manipulate data and report from west?What lesson? After not able to prove anything about my accurate assessment of manipulate data and report from west, especially from a US government official agency like ONI. You start to go mad and try divert my point.
Q2: Why didn't you cite a Chinese source to support your argument?I used a report from guardian about US ignoring Tribunal court. Does that mean this data is faked? It can be easily verify whether it is true if you go tribunal court link. But fact is , can you easily verify the stupid diagram of ONI about Chinese Type095 noise level in 2009 when the sub is not even build during that time.
Q3: It is OK for you to cite a Western source to support your argument but when I do the same, this becomes an issue for you? Why?
Either you embrace the fact that Western sources are not necessarily biased and it is OK to cite them.
OR
Stop with this bullshit:
All your source has no credibility, western source are just like saying Saddam Hussein has weapon of mass destruction and need to be invaded. Same as the western source who claimed ISI collaborate with Osama bin Ladin and Pakistan is terrorist state.
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You consider this diagram stupid because you failed to comprehend it. Let us re-examine it:
1. It only tells us about "relative detectability" of various submarines (for American forces).
2. Type-095 SSN is mentioned but the year of its completion is also mentioned (i.e. 2015). This suggests that Americans managed to obtain classified information about Type-095 SSN much earlier than its completion date. How they obtained this information is CLASSIFIED.
3. We cannot tell the the exact noise-levels of those submarines from this image but we can see which ones are relatively quieter.
Emphasis mine. You are not privy to these developments. You are just a Chinese commoner - making assumptions about stuff you do not understand.
I requested you to provide information about noise-levels of Chinese submarines but you haven't so far. So what conclusion shall I draw about you?
I have provided information about noise-levels of various Submarines and mentioned its original source earlier (it is a research paper about Chinese assessments of various submarines, based on data collected from various Chinese sources and publications):
Type-93B noise level = 110 decibels
Akula class = 110 decibels
Los Angeles class (improved) noise level = 105 decibels
Kilo class (improved) noise level = 105 decibels
Virginia class noise level = 95 decibels
Seawolf class noise level = 95 decibels
1. These are [not] American assessments.
2. Content of the report in question is verifiable from its references (mainly Chinese sources and publications).
Do you even understand why references are mentioned in a report? I suppose not. You are good at trolling only.
What a joke you are.The one taught a value lesson is you, by me. You are a pakistanis living in the propangada world of western media manipulation who try portray white as invincible and you take the bait.
We have considerable experience with "Made in America" products and we have a good idea of their engineering, durability and performance. We don't rely upon Western media to determine how good American stuff is. We can check the reports about performance of American hardware in various conflicts. We can also test the hardware ourselves, when we have the opportunity.
Pakistani experts are well-aware of limitations of Chinese engineering in various domains. This is why they chose Russian RD-93 engine for use in JF-17 Thunder aircraft; this is why our Main Battle Tanks incorporate components from Ukraine and Western sources. This is why our ballistic missiles are not directly imported from China (in Pakistani colors) but largely indigenous designs. Shall I continue?
As I pointed out earlier, you have comprehension problems. I did not refer to manufacturing practices of various companies but "inventions."I can dare to bet with you, the computer you are using is made in China. If you hate yourself and Chinese so much and worship the white imperialism. The one stop replying to me is you. Stop using the computer, smart phone or whatever that helps you log in here. It is made in China.
China is world factory and tech powerhouse for a reason unlike what your white master tells you.
1. Computer is a Western invention: http://www.turing.org.uk/scrapbook/computer.html
2. Internet is a Western invention: https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001016.htm
3. Microprocessor is a Western invention: https://www.thoughtco.com/inventors-of-the-modern-computer-1992145/
In-fact, WEST is the architect of modern civilizations since Industrial Revolution and subsequent colonization practices.
A large number of Western companies invested in China since 1970s, transforming your country into a manufacturing hub. These companies get the credit for revolutionizing your country by providing you (people) with the skills necessary for developing your own high-tech industries on a vast-scale in the long-term.
China is also making strides in the matters of research and development but you owe a great deal of your accomplishments to your work experiences with (and expertise gained from) Western companies that came and established their factories in your country in 1970s.
As for my PC being totally "Made in China" - NO (only some parts are). I am using a Lenovo notebook but its quality is much poor than my original DELL notebook. Anyhow, this was not my point. I don't care if China is manufacturing a large number of products of various companies, I concentrate on the brand and to which country it belongs. Even if China is manufacturing some Intel microprocessors, they are (not) your intellectual property and you cannot take credit for their design; they are products of an American company and this company is providing your engineers with blueprints of relevant designs - your engineers are mostly manufacturing them in a factory.
You must be proud to learn following:
1. So many Chinese giving preference to American institutes for seeking education: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-so-many-chinese-students-come-to-the-u-s-1462123552
2. Increase in 'fraudulent research' in China: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4084436/
Second, in China, scientific corruption and fraud appear to have risen. We stated earlier that social status as a top scientist is highly valued, but that evaluation of science is mainly administrative. This combination tempts some Chinese scientists to cheat the system by providing false evidence of scientific achievement that government officials may easily overlook (45). In fact, scientific fraud and corruption have become so rampant in China in recent years that Shimin Fang (with the pen name of Fang Zhouzi), a science writer devoted to discovering and exposing such cases, is now a household name in China. Fang received the John Maddox Prize awarded by Nature and the Kohn Foundation in 2012 for his work in China fighting “padded CVs, fraudulent and plagiarized articles, bogus medicines and medical procedures carried out without clinical evidence” (46). “Faked research is endemic in China,” Fang was quoted as saying in a headline of a news article about him (47). Indeed, his Web site has exposed numerous serious cases of scientific misconduct (SI Text, section 12). Consistent with Fang’s claim, Science recently reported on an academic black market in China in which some scientists trade authorship of Science Citation Index papers through shady agencies (48).
3. China becoming notorious for THEFT of Intellectual Property from other states:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tation-copycats-pelamis-intellectual-property
http://www.industryweek.com/intelle...done-about-chinas-theft-intellectual-property
http://www.ipcommission.org/report/ip_commission_report_052213.pdf
You might be aware of the case of theft of data (of F-35 aircraft) from Lockheed Martin in particular? Here is an update: https://news.vice.com/article/man-who-sold-f-35-secrets-to-china-pleads-guilty
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I can go on and on.
This was not supposed to be a "China versus WEST" argument but you have successfully converted it into one.
Please stop with your machoistic drivels and provide information about noise-levels of Chinese submarines. If you cannot, then admit your limitations and apologize for unnecessarily prolonging this argument.
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