Breaking: Iranian Militias attack US Embassy in Iraq with rockets

[Imran Khan]

This is bad news

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Iranians are not crazy to attack diplomats at an embassy.

 

[skyshadow]

They destroyed deeply buried cave complexes of Al-Qaeda Network in the Tora Bora mountain range back in 2002. These complexes were designed to withstand even Soviet boots on the ground, and they actually did. Do not be under any illusion or buy stories which suit your narrative. There isn't a 'material problem' which US cannot address, given its resources and technological might.

sure but Iran has better ones as we are a state with all the tools we need and when they were building nuclear sites the goal was for it to withstand nuclear attack not a bunker busters attack but a nuclear attack.

 

[skyshadow]

They destroyed deeply buried cave complexes of Al-Qaeda Network in the Tora Bora mountain range back in 2002. These complexes were designed to withstand even Soviet boots on the ground, and they actually did. Do not be under any illusion or buy stories which suit your narrative. There isn't a 'material problem' which US cannot address, given its resources and technological might.

one who thinks Iran nuclear plants can be easily destroyed than they know nothing about how much work has been done on this projects to ensure their resistance to nuclear attacks. i can not believe that you just compared our nuclear program with al-Qaeda tunnels.



Figures 5 and 6 show design schematics from the archive of the underground portion of the plant; all the documents trace to before about 2004, according to Israeli officials who briefed Albright. Figure 5 shows a long underground hall that is 250 meters long by 13 meters wide and is the planned area for the centrifuges. A striking feature is the blast/debris traps designed (see Figure 5) to mitigate blasts into the tunnel from aerial bombardment of the tunnel entrances. It is further evidence of the intent to protect the complex and help ensure its operational survival. Figure 7 is a composite showing the plans in Figures 5 and 6 for the underground site overlain on a Google Earth image (see also Annex 1 for additional analysis). The schematic matches the entrances and expected layout of the deeply buried Qom uranium enrichment plant.

This document implies that by the late 1990s or early 2000s Iran had decided to concentrate the production of weapon-grade uranium in the Amad program, but ensure that this effort would utilize the AEOI centrifuge program. The decision called for a deeply buried site less vulnerable to military attack than the Natanz site.

 

[LeGenD]

sure but Iran has better ones as we are a state with all the tools we need and when they were building nuclear sites the goal was for it to withstand nuclear attack not a bunker busters attack but a nuclear attack.

Tora Bora cave complex was made possible by massive sources of funding which only a state could provide for. To this day, tunnels of this complex continue to surprise potential visitors and details are limited.

one who thinks Iran nuclear plants can be easily destroyed than they know nothing about how much work has been done on this projects to ensure their resistance to nuclear attacks. i can not believe that you just compared our nuclear program with al-Qaeda tunnels.



Figures 5 and 6 show design schematics from the archive of the underground portion of the plant; all the documents trace to before about 2004, according to Israeli officials who briefed Albright. Figure 5 shows a long underground hall that is 250 meters long by 13 meters wide and is the planned area for the centrifuges. A striking feature is the blast/debris traps designed (see Figure 5) to mitigate blasts into the tunnel from aerial bombardment of the tunnel entrances. It is further evidence of the intent to protect the complex and help ensure its operational survival. Figure 7 is a composite showing the plans in Figures 5 and 6 for the underground site overlain on a Google Earth image (see also Annex 1 for additional analysis). The schematic matches the entrances and expected layout of the deeply buried Qom uranium enrichment plant.

This document implies that by the late 1990s or early 2000s Iran had decided to concentrate the production of weapon-grade uranium in the Amad program, but ensure that this effort would utilize the AEOI centrifuge program. The decision called for a deeply buried site less vulnerable to military attack than the Natanz site.

Dude, the facility in question is impressive, but to expect it to withstand onslaught of USAF and even American nuclear strikes?

Bunker busters = evolving
Nuclear weapons = evolving

Or

You think that Americans are stuck with WW-II era capabilities?

This bunker-buster burrows hundreds of feet into 'anything natural or man-made', and then unleash very powerful shock-waves in all directions (360 degree) to effectively neutralize a deeply buried facility.

"The MOP is precision guided primarily using GPS, similar to the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM). Yet even the bunker buster variants in that series of weapons are incomparable to the mighty MOP. This precision guidance is thought to allow the MOP to not only hit deeply-buried installations at their weakest points, but it offers the potential to 'layer-in' multiple MOPs on a single pinpoint location—in effect 'digging' down to where the soil, rock, and concrete end and the vital infrastructure begins." - Tyler Rogoway

Every deeply buried facility have sensitive spots like entrance points and vents which can be exploited to disrupt and/or ruin its operations, and dispatching powerful penetrators through vents will seal the fate of any facility no matter how deep. Nevertheless, MOP can literally burrow through mountains (layer-in strategy).

Layer-in strategy:-

NUCLEAR OPTION

However, even a single nuclear bunker buster (B61-11) might unleash enormous amount of radiation and kill millions in the process besides rendering the targeted spot radioactive/uninhabitable. Therefore, this is last resort option.

In fact, Americans have modified even their ICBMs to deliver nuclear firepower in such a way (height-burst dynamic) as to ruin deeply buried facilities with shock-waves projected downwards.

"Before the invention of this new fuzing mechanism, even the most accurate ballistic missile warheads might not detonate close enough to targets hardened against nuclear attack to destroy them. But the new super-fuze is designed to destroy fixed targets by detonating above and around a target in a much more effective way. Warheads that would otherwise overfly a target and land too far away will now, because of the new fuzing system, detonate above the target."

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"The US military assumes that Russian SS-18 and TOPOL missile silos are hardened to withstand a pressure of 10,000 pounds per square inch or more. Since with the new super-fuze, the probability of kill against these silos is near 0.9, the entire force of 100-kt W76-1/Mk4A Trident II warheads now “qualifies” for use against the hardest of Russian silos. This, in turn, means that essentially all of the higher-yield nuclear weapons (such as the W88/Mk5) that were formerly assigned to these Russian hard targets can now be focused on other, more demanding missions, including attacks against deeply-buried underground command facilities. In effect, the significant increase in the killing power of the W76 warhead allows the United States to use its submarine-based weapons more decisively in a wider range of missions than was the case before the introduction of this fuze."

Full read: https://thebulletin.org/2017/03/how...ity-the-burst-height-compensating-super-fuze/

Understand this. Americans are really interested in developing contingencies for the national security arrangements of Russia and China - nearpeer adversaries. Third World countries can only do so much.

 

[skyshadow]

Tora Bora cave complex was made possible by massive sources of funding which only a state could provide for. To this day, tunnels of this complex continue to surprise potential visitors and details are limited.


Dude, the facility in question is impressive, but to expect it to withstand onslaught of USAF and even American nuclear strikes?

Bunker busters = evolving
Nuclear weapons = evolving

Or

You think that Americans are stuck with WW-II era capabilities?

This bunker-buster burrows hundreds of feet into 'anything natural or man-made', and then unleash very powerful shock-waves in all directions (360 degree) to effectively neutralize a deeply buried facility.

"The MOP is precision guided primarily using GPS, similar to the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM). Yet even the bunker buster variants in that series of weapons are incomparable to the mighty MOP. This precision guidance is thought to allow the MOP to not only hit deeply-buried installations at their weakest points, but it offers the potential to 'layer-in' multiple MOPs on a single pinpoint location—in effect 'digging' down to where the soil, rock, and concrete end and the vital infrastructure begins." - Tyler Rogoway

Every deeply buried facility have sensitive spots like entrance points and vents which can be exploited to disrupt and/or ruin its operations, and dispatching powerful penetrators through vents will seal the fate of any facility no matter how deep. Nevertheless, MOP can literally burrow through mountains (layer-in strategy).

Layer-in strategy:-

NUCLEAR OPTION

However, even a single nuclear bunker buster (B61-11) might unleash enormous amount of radiation and kill millions in the process besides rendering the targeted spot radioactive/uninhabitable. Therefore, this is last resort option.

In fact, Americans have modified even their ICBMs to deliver nuclear firepower in such a way (height-burst dynamic) as to ruin deeply buried facilities with shock-waves projected downwards.

"Before the invention of this new fuzing mechanism, even the most accurate ballistic missile warheads might not detonate close enough to targets hardened against nuclear attack to destroy them. But the new super-fuze is designed to destroy fixed targets by detonating above and around a target in a much more effective way. Warheads that would otherwise overfly a target and land too far away will now, because of the new fuzing system, detonate above the target."

---

"The US military assumes that Russian SS-18 and TOPOL missile silos are hardened to withstand a pressure of 10,000 pounds per square inch or more. Since with the new super-fuze, the probability of kill against these silos is near 0.9, the entire force of 100-kt W76-1/Mk4A Trident II warheads now “qualifies” for use against the hardest of Russian silos. This, in turn, means that essentially all of the higher-yield nuclear weapons (such as the W88/Mk5) that were formerly assigned to these Russian hard targets can now be focused on other, more demanding missions, including attacks against deeply-buried underground command facilities. In effect, the significant increase in the killing power of the W76 warhead allows the United States to use its submarine-based weapons more decisively in a wider range of missions than was the case before the introduction of this fuze."

Full read: https://thebulletin.org/2017/03/how...ity-the-burst-height-compensating-super-fuze/

agreed i do not think they can withstand all out nuclear strikes on them but for sure they can withstand bunker busters for at lest 20 times.