Breaking: 2 More Indian Spies Caught In Indian Embassy.

[Areesh]

Please produce some proof of world blasting India over Kulbhusan fiasco including statement from your beloved daddy, Otherwise, stop fixatin over something which is clear propaganda, which am sure only citizen of Pakistan can believe.

Why???

We have our own policies with respect to India. India's silence on Kal Bhushan is enough to prove our "propaganda".

 

[SMC]

Try sell it to your well wishers. But wait! You people were laughed out of the room when you tried this with Kulbhusan Jadav.

When was the last time Pakistan displayed evidence against India in any International forum. Chalo forget last time, tell me when you showed any evidence which was accepted Internationally.

Your diplomats hesitate to present Kulbhushan Jadhav video in UN because it looks so Fake. All you agencies are misguiding common man.

You have your old friend China with Veto, you claim whole Muslim world is with you, then who is stopping you to present documents, videos, recording, other proofs and so called evidence is based on facts against India in UN

Hence proven: Pakistanis have zero critical thinking abilities.

Why don't you take up this issue to UN, if you really believe that a spy is a terrorist, or if you could convince anyone that spy=terrorist?

People would laugh your sorry arse out of room when you try to derive such equivalence, and confessional statements in captivity does not count for anything in international community.

Very well sir, the world is not paying any heed to careless Indian accusations.

Do you have any idea how many of Pakistan based organization and individuals are designated global terrorists that too by non other than UN, of which Pakistan is also a member ?? All this happened because India always provided solid proof.

Can you show any such example against India ?? Did any world organizations act upon or at-least commented against India after verifying the proof provided by Pakistan ?? Any single responsible nation or Organization ?? LOL

Now show me a statement from any responsible nation or international organization ( in support of Pakistan and condemning India) who bought story about the alleged spy Kul Bushan Yadav ?? This includes your all weather friends.

I don't know whether Kulbushan is a R&AW agent or not. But if he is not and being abducted as I had read somewhere, you can expect similar action from Indian establishment and some innocent Pakistani will suffer eventually.

But this is not the topic of discussion here, we are talking about diplomatic staff turned alleged spy agents. Pakistan's actions seems more like a tit-for-tat response rather than anything with concrete evidence.

Please produce some proof of world blasting India over Kulbhusan fiasco including statement from your beloved daddy, Otherwise, stop fixatin over something which is clear propaganda, which am sure only citizen of Pakistan can believe.

Hmm, this is quite interesting. You are expecting Pakistan to prove to international community that Pakistan is involved in state terrorism against India. But you clowns have not proven the same regarding Pakistan, despite making allegations against the Pakistani state. Nobody country buys that Pakistan, at the state level, has been involved in Kashmir, Mumbai attacks, etc, basically anything that has happened in the last 10 years in India. But you clowns keep making those allegations anyway. So kindly apply your logic to yourself first and stop coming across as complete and utter hypocrites.

 

[Tom M]

Hmm, this is quite interesting. You are expecting Pakistan to prove to international community that Pakistan is involved in state terrorism against India. But you clowns have not proven the same regarding Pakistan, despite making allegations against the Pakistani state. Nobody country buys that Pakistan, at the state level, has been involved in Kashmir, Mumbai attacks, etc, basically anything that has happened in the last 10 years in India. But you clowns keep making those allegations anyway. So kindly apply your logic to yourself first and stop coming across as complete and utter hypocrites.

You are correct nobody had bought Indian part of the story. Because Pakistan is too smart and the whole world are full of idiots.

But at least there was a move against Pakistan (H.R.6069), it is more than enough at present as far as India is concerned I guess.

 

[SMC]

You are correct nobody had bought Indian part of the story. Because Pakistan is too smart and the whole world are full of idiots.

But at least there was a move against Pakistan (H.R.6069), it is more than enough at present as far as India is concerned I guess.

Is that the petition in the white house, started by an Indian and largely (presumably) signed by Indians, had no state backing and that got taken down because of fraud? i.e. again largely irrelevant.

So back to the point, why are you expecting Pakistan to try and prove this at the UN but you don't do the same? Realize that in the matter of international politics, states will largely not care if it doesn't affect their interests directly. Any country looking to have decent relations with India will not back Pakistani allegations, and same for relations with Pakistan vis-a-vis Indian allegations. That's why no one cares about what India has to say and the same for what Pakistan has to say. The lack of international recognition does not invalidate the allegations.

 

[t_for_talli]

Hmm, this is quite interesting. You are expecting Pakistan to prove to international community that Pakistan is involved in state terrorism against India. But you clowns have not proven the same regarding Pakistan, despite making allegations against the Pakistani state. Nobody country buys that Pakistan, at the state level, has been involved in Kashmir, Mumbai attacks, etc, basically anything that has happened in the last 10 years in India. But you clowns keep making those allegations anyway. So kindly apply your logic to yourself first and stop coming across as complete and utter hypocrites.

Fact is no one outside Pakistan buys evidence presented by your agencies against India.

And there are tonnes of Pakistani organisations banned/ marked as terror outfits. When we say LET / JUD are terrorist World agrees. On the other hand your officials/ agencies hesitate to show Kulbhushan tape in UN (or any other evidence).

 

[soundHound]

Why???

We have our own policies with respect to India. India's silence on Kal Bhushan is enough to prove our "propaganda".

Quite a hypocrisy here, you want us to believe a innocent man as a SPY based on nothing but propaganda, and when India claim of surgical Strike, or blown up post you start asking for proofs (for which at-least quite a few foreign publication did printed articles as support on claims).

Hmm, this is quite interesting. You are expecting Pakistan to prove to international community that Pakistan is involved in state terrorism against India. But you clowns have not proven the same regarding Pakistan, despite making allegations against the Pakistani state. Nobody country buys that Pakistan, at the state level, has been involved in Kashmir, Mumbai attacks, etc, basically anything that has happened in the last 10 years in India. But you clowns keep making those allegations anyway. So kindly apply your logic to yourself first and stop coming across as complete and utter hypocrites.

Few weeks back there was news of couple of USA lawmakers moving bill for declaring Pakistan as terrorist state, do you think they were part of India propaganda as well? There are numerous organisations based out of Pakistan or supported by them banned by world bodies, what do you think why? recent suspension of SAARC summit shows what your neighbour think of yourselves. India boldly speaks about Pakistan and there involvement everywhere, I don't see same happening form your end, what do you think why? so plz, stop acting like a clown, and stop feeding upon your state sponsored propaganda, there is whole lot of world to see.

At any given point of time, India's statement has more credibility then yours, you can mark this.

 

[Kabira]

I don't think india is doing terrorist activities in Pakistan, look the news title "Bharati safaratkaar Rajesh Kumar aor Bleer Singh Takhreebkaar hain" Zarayay. This is just pathetic reporting of media for rating. We don't have credible evidence of india involvement in terrorism. Mostly afghani , uzbeks, taliban and terrorist from our banned organization do suicide bombing, indian never do like this nor they have history . Last time when we were preparing ourself to give evidence to U.N about india involvement in terrorism, we came to know that we have not enough evidence. One of the reason our ministers said we are still collecting proof.

It means they are sopporting them, I don't think anyone said Indians are blowing themself. We know Indians and MQM are working on this since long time.

 

[Tom M]

Is that the petition in the white house, started by an Indian and largely (presumably) signed by Indians, had no state backing and that got taken down because of fraud? i.e. again largely irrelevant.

So back to the point, why are you expecting Pakistan to try and prove this at the UN but you don't do the same? Realize that in the matter of international politics, states will largely not care if it doesn't affect their interests directly. Any country looking to have decent relations with India will not back Pakistani allegations, and same for relations with Pakistan vis-a-vis Indian allegations. That's why no one cares about what India has to say and the same for what Pakistan has to say. The lack of international recognition does not invalidate the allegations.

We have enough takers for our part of the story. That's why a lot of Pakistan born Individuals and organizations are designated global terrorists. But Pakistan won't be able to do the same simply because none of our citizens and organizations do such activities in other countries and our government will not allow their manifestation on the pretext of nationalism.

Now regarding declaring Pakistan as a terrorist state or not. I know it is idiotic and the most unlikely thing to happen. But Pakistan's adversaries can very well try and lobby to isolate Pakistan globally, which I'm sure they are doing. The result, you might have read from the article of "cyril almeida", which he had claimed as triple checked facts even after having so much pressure.

raw is behind this 100%

Why shouldn't they ??

 

[arbit]

I never voted NS. Btu whatever floats your boat.

I never suggested you did. I don't rate your single vote so high as to elect some one like sharif repeatedly even after his demonstrable incompetence.

But the rest of you guys did. He still runs your country; and you make fun of others. Thats some irony right there

Carry on though. Its not like it affects me anyway.

 

[Signalian]

@Areesh @Shot-Caller @Peaceful Civilian @iby32 @unbiasedopinion @t_for_talli @Well.wisher @Laozi


when u understand the game played by RAW and how ISI plays it, u will understand its not about lack of evidence on Pakistan's part.

Since 1992, RAW is on a Propaganda mission to put Pakistan under the watchlist of UN and provided proofs in its own capacity to US State Department, basically stating that Pakistan is providing assistance to kashmiri mujahids and sikh separatists so that Pakistan is kept in list of countries which advocate and promote terrorism.

Pakistan was kept under surveillance for 120-180 days but it was not included in the list which promote terrorism. If it had been included then Pakistan would have lost IMF and world bank loan support instantly apart from assistance of different kinds from developed countries like Japan, France, Germany etc. In Sunday Magazine edition of 21 august 1993, RAW's in-efficiency was questioned and pointed out. Even then RAW was given 200 million $ budget same year to not only gather information on kashmiri mujahids and sikh separatists but also infiltrate their ring.

ISI doesnt play the propaganda style that is adopted by RAW. Firstly because propaganda is not on the agenda unlike RAW, secondly the operational directive is quite different. ISI and other intelligence agencies do inform the government about capturing of RAW operatives inside Pakistan but even if hundreds are caught, only one name is given. This is done as the RAW network inside Pakistan is spread beyond imagination. It is important to eradicate that network completely instead of alarming and alerting the whole ring who will wrap up operations and leave.

If Pakistan starts giving out names and more details then that respective ring will vanish underground and capturing any RAW agent becomes useless. Yadav was caught and brought into limelight as he is probably the senior most officer ranking uniformed officer, rest of RAW assets are pawns in comparison. he would have been brought into limelight only after he would have started cooperating and atleast given names and information of all the RAW assets working under him or through him.
After Yadav, now the rounding up has become faster, 2 were caught other day, 18 are caught today as mentioned in some other thread. Slowly and gradually this list will start increasing but bear in mind ISI or Pakistan is not on a propaganda mission unlike RAW and India.

Now this network is not just one. RAW has a network in every area in Pakistan and every city as well as every banned outfit in Pakistan. Its further interesting to know that Indian Propaganda machine shouts about terror outfits,organizations and camps in Pakistan which have been banned even by Pakistan. The fact is that terror outfits,organizations and camps in Pakistan have been and are being funded by RAW which is why they still exist.
In reality, what RAW blames on ISI doing in India is actually what it does in Pakistan. A propaganda mission will not even let a pigeon go un-noticed, even when its an absurd lie.

So please stop concluding that pakistan doesnt have enough evidence to show to the world as i have given example already that even India provided evidence but failed.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

In no way anyone here is refuting these internal problems. We are batteling likes of these and many actions had been taken against likes of these and yes more had to be done too. But fact is that likes of these had been used to destabilize us. Never forget what Mr Doval said:

"We will fight Pakistan to the last Afghan."

Even US had earlier acknowledged openly that India is formanting troubles for Pakistan via Afghanistan when former Secretary of Defense of US Mr Chuck Hagel openly said so. Want some word out of horse's mouth. Here are they.

Concerns by India:

and

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-nominee-Chuck-Hagel/articleshow/18694475.cms

I aint quoting any statement by PA or Pakistani source. Now tell me is it about lack of proof or about lack of intentions to act against India?

If Afgan let them to be a proxy for RAW that means they're in a state of war with Pak. This makes Pak's actions inside Afganistan Helal...

 

[unbiasedopinion]

@Areesh @Shot-Caller @Peaceful Civilian @iby32 @unbiasedopinion @t_for_talli @Well.wisher @Laozi


when u understand the game played by RAW and how ISI plays it, u will understand its not about lack of evidence on Pakistan's part.

Since 1992, RAW is on a Propaganda mission to put Pakistan under the watchlist of UN and provided proofs in its own capacity to US State Department, basically stating that Pakistan is providing assistance to kashmiri mujahids and sikh separatists so that Pakistan is kept in list of countries which advocate and promote terrorism.

Pakistan was kept under surveillance for 120-180 days but it was not included in the list which promote terrorism. If it had been included then Pakistan would have lost IMF and world bank loan support instantly apart from assistance of different kinds from developed countries like Japan, France, Germany etc. In Sunday Magazine edition of 21 august 1993, RAW's in-efficiency was questioned and pointed out. Even then RAW was given 200 million $ budget same year to not only gather information on kashmiri mujahids and sikh separatists but also infiltrate their ring.

ISI doesnt play the propaganda style that is adopted by RAW. Firstly because propaganda is not on the agenda unlike RAW, secondly the operational directive is quite different. ISI and other intelligence agencies do inform the government about capturing of RAW operatives inside Pakistan but even if hundreds are caught, only one name is given. This is done as the RAW network inside Pakistan is spread beyond imagination. It is important to eradicate that network completely instead of alarming and alerting the whole ring who will wrap up operations and leave.

If Pakistan starts giving out names and more details then that respective ring will vanish underground and capturing any RAW agent becomes useless. Yadav was caught and brought into limelight as he is probably the senior most officer ranking uniformed officer, rest of RAW assets are pawns in comparison. he would have been brought into limelight only after he would have started cooperating and atleast given names and information of all the RAW assets working under him or through him.
After Yadav, now the rounding up has become faster, 2 were caught other day, 18 are caught today as mentioned in some other thread. Slowly and gradually this list will start increasing but bear in mind ISI or Pakistan is not on a propaganda mission unlike RAW and India.

Now this network is not just one. RAW has a network in every area in Pakistan and every city as well as every banned outfit in Pakistan. Its further interesting to know that Indian Propaganda machine shouts about terror outfits,organizations and camps in Pakistan which have been banned even by Pakistan. The fact is that terror outfits,organizations and camps in Pakistan have been and are being funded by RAW which is why they still exist.
In reality, what RAW blames on ISI doing in India is actually what it does in Pakistan. A propaganda mission will not even let a pigeon go un-noticed, even when its an absurd lie.

So please stop concluding that pakistan doesnt have enough evidence to show to the world as i have given example already that even India provided evidence but failed.

Oh please not again. Are you talking about same kind of evidences which your surtaj aziz flashed during one of the press-conference claiming them as Dossiers containing the malign and viscous plan of India;s act of terrorism in Pakistan or you are still waiting for the right moment to present them.

The point is most of the countries are being spied by one country or another for political reasons and there is no denying in it. It is what governments do around the world to ensure that their benefits are not being jeopardize.

Well, if you have some RAW agents under captivity then show a proof to show him as a RAW agent. Your disgraced governments and assets are not the one who understand the language of proofs in anyways. You have been provided enough proofs on Mumbai still you are behaving like an ostrich with heads under the sand. You have been provided enough proof on Uri, Pathankot (where your ISI was even involved in the investigation), and many other places and still you claim them to be without proof...So how can Pakistan expect anyone around the world to believe on hte cuckoo story which Pakistan is propagating about India;s involvement in the Pakistan's internal matter.

Your ISI kidnapped an officer from third country and presented it as RAW agent and you believe world to support you? You guys need to come to the real world.

 

[Signalian]

Oh please not again. Are you talking about same kind of evidences which your surtaj aziz flashed during one of the press-conference claiming them as Dossiers containing the malign and viscous plan of India;s act of terrorism in Pakistan or you are still waiting for the right moment to present them.

You cant even understand a simple and straight forward point. I guess come out of the typical Indian mentality of propaganda war. RAW agents are being rounded up as we speak.

The point is most of the countries are being spied by one country or another for political reasons and there is no denying in it. It is what governments do around the world to ensure that their benefits are not being jeopardize.

Well, if you have some RAW agents under captivity then show a proof to show him as a RAW agent.

Unless you get rid of typical Indian mentality thats being fed by your media to put a criteria of showing proofs and using as propaganda tools, you will never understand that world doesnt revolve around Indian media and RAW so called criteria which enables a propaganda modus operandi.

Your disgraced governments and assets are not the one who understand the language of proofs in anyways.

I will report you if you ever once again call my Government (GOP) as disgraced. The language of propaganda is a tool of RAW, not ISI. ISI will keep collecting RAW agents till Pakistan is cleansed from RAW's deadly tentacles.

You have been provided enough proofs on Mumbai still you are behaving like an ostrich with heads under the sand. You have been provided enough proof on Uri, Pathankot (where your ISI was even involved in the investigation), and many other places and still you claim them to be without proof...So how can Pakistan expect anyone around the world to believe on hte cuckoo story which Pakistan is propagating about India;s involvement in the Pakistan's internal matter.

Screaming and shouting same point over and over again till it forcibly becomes the truth is what you are doing and this is proof enough that RAW and GOI can easily brainwash their own people.. ISI wasnt involved but ofcourse RAW is at a propaganda war since 1992 so RAW and GOI will keep shouting ISI ISI ISI .....thats what RAW is supposed to do. No surprises here.

Your ISI kidnapped an officer from third country and presented it as RAW agent and you believe world to support you? You guys need to come to the real world.

when you mentioned of ostrich behaviour, why did you exempt yourself from it? you are behaving the same here.

Mate, Yadav is cooperating and 18 indian terrorists have been apprehended, more will continue.

 

[t_for_talli]

His confession has been shared with envoys from all the major countries of the world. He might be hanged as per some sources. I think he would remain in Pakistani custody for rest of his life before becoming an example for rest of Indian assets.

Fact is : No one in International community gives a shit on KulBhushan Video. Only Pakistani agencies are jumping.

Video looks so fake that even your friends in International community hesitate to comment on it publicly.

 

[tarrar]

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