Brave Indian Hindus Avenging Pulwama Attack

[Mugwop]

These indians are more brave than the ones on this forum

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They have a saying dig deep and you will find, no need to do that with you.
Here you wishing communal violence on Kashmiris who actually want to be part of the system.
Utterly disgusting and I lost all respect for you.
By the way under the Sanghi rulebook those who call another land their spiritual homeland (as you do with Iran) are to be considered the enemy and held in contempt. I can still recall the story of Parsi families caught up in the Gujarat riots, they weren't given a 'get out of a riot free card'.






A few things brothers, firstly in the UK our (Pakistani community) is different and other Muslims tend to be supportive of the Kashmir situation e.g. Bengalis, Somalis and Arabs. One of the main factors behind this has been that the Pakistani community was the first real large scale Muslim community established here, so when later arrivals came they relied on the established community for funerals, Friday prayers, halal meat, support in applying for schools, help with documents e.g. applying for citizenship and so on. So many of them do feel quite indebted to the community.
I'm with you on the whole narrative of a leader spilling his/her all for other Muslims but sidling their own identity, they're not worth our time.

I noticed that in the UK also. Most of the Bengalis here in the US also mostly pro-Pakistani.

Pakistanis in the UK have done great work for Pakistan/Kashmir and are close to their roots, which is very much unlike American Pakistanis who are mostly allergic to Pakistan.

The Arabs in the US, especially those politically involved with the largest Muslim organizations (ISNA MAS MSA,) are all Muslim Brotherhood and have extreme anti-Pakistan bias born out of rivalry and Arab chauvinism. They criminalize any overtly Pakistani sentiment as asabiyyah (haram nationalism) and Kashmir as a political, non religious issue.

Many of the Pakistanis here who head religious organizations like ICNA, and are involved with ISNA, MAS are from Jamat e Islami and tend to be vehemently anti-Pakistani as well.

Granted we still have some religious and nationalistic Pakistanis like Tanzeem and in Tabigh, but most of the Pakistanis drive their anti-Pakistanism into their offspring who grow up loathing themselves, and it makes them marry any non-Pakistani and disassociate from Pakistan in any way possible.

@OsmanAli98 and I are some of the few second gen who have strong roots in Pakistan, mainly because our parents drove our identity hard on us. My parents never let me speak English in my home, it was only either Urdu and Punjabi. That and constant trips to Pakistan and getting to know my relatives kept me grounded.

In the ‘90s, the Pakistani communities were strong and vibrant but after 9/11 many of us emigrated and the rest became fearful of the authorities. In NYC, Giuliani went full force against the Pakistani community with full blessings from Bush and Hillary (NY senator at the time,) viewing us as a political threat. Later on, Obama’s attorney for southern NY Preet Bharara (an Indian with a personal gripe) went after Pakistanis and Kashmiris politically to break our strength. After which America viewed Pakistanis as a dangerous immigrant group and cut immigration from Pakistan while promoting more docile, apolitical Muslim immigrants like Bangladeshis, Indians, and people from CARs.

Now the only major community of Pakistanis left in NY is Coney Island, we even lost Jackson Heights to the Bangladeshis. Most of the masajid founded by Pakistanis have been taken over by Arabs or Bangladeshis. We no longer have a strong base in the US like we did before.

 

[qamar1990]

Lmao you're so obsessed with promoting this idea that Muslims should value our ethnicity/nationality over our religion.

Sorry but it hasn't happened yet and given the current political situation, it's unlikely to ever happen:

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im really surprised by turkey

 

[padamchen]

They have a saying dig deep and you will find, no need to do that with you.
Here you wishing communal violence on Kashmiris who actually want to be part of the system.
Utterly disgusting and I lost all respect for you.
By the way under the Sanghi rulebook those who call another land their spiritual homeland (as you do with Iran) are to be considered the enemy and held in contempt. I can still recall the story of Parsi families caught up in the Gujarat riots, they weren't given a 'get out of a riot free card'.






A few things brothers, firstly in the UK our (Pakistani community) is different and other Muslims tend to be supportive of the Kashmir situation e.g. Bengalis, Somalis and Arabs. One of the main factors behind this has been that the Pakistani community was the first real large scale Muslim community established here, so when later arrivals came they relied on the established community for funerals, Friday prayers, halal meat, support in applying for schools, help with documents e.g. applying for citizenship and so on. So many of them do feel quite indebted to the community.
I'm with you on the whole narrative of a leader spilling his/her all for other Muslims but sidling their own identity, they're not worth our time.

There are no innocents in Kashmir. I realize you are of Kashmiri origin and I like you. One of the decreasing few I do. What or who you respect is something I do not control. But Kashmiris have definitely lost the love and respect of Indians as brothers. Permanently. They are now wholly looked upon as a hostile force squatting within our borders. And the ironic bit is that it is the army they stone and bomb that is the only force standing today between them and mob fury. They have crossed a line they should never have even approached. Now there is no force in India, social or political, that can or will come to their aid. Only the military. And that too will now be just to prevent harm. Nothing more.

And among them are two of my batchmates in the center of it all. Minutes after the blast.

You're right. Utterly disgusting it is.

Only in this moment your definition of that is very different to mine.

As I'm sure is that of Pakistan's and India's.

Lastly, your point about Parsis. Maybe you and I could talk about them after Parsi mobs burn a bogey full of Indians or a Parsi suicide bomber rams a Scorpio laden with 350 kilos of explosives into a bus carrying Indian soldiers.

Cheers, Doc

Well I hope kashmiri students get back to safety from all over India for the time being, they might sound cocky after the latest exploits but they don't deserve THIS. Inka time alag se aayega.


They are warmed up enough already but they need to chill a little. No need to be law unto themselves when we have propper institutions to take care of all that.

I'm getting a steady stream of photos from Jammu (as I'm sure you are) as I'm also getting from Kashmir (which you probably are not).

Right now it's very very localised mob fury waiting to explode. The army in Kashmir knows it.

We are a hair's breadth away from the army having to be called in.

Cheers, Doc

 

[AsifIjaz]

Dont blame the kashmiris for something simmering gor decades now ...
The same people have been methodically punished, deprived and cornered over decades of suupression by indian army. Last i checked the army numbers in the valley are increasing and not the other way around.
Mind you the fire is on both sides, kasmiris know it well that the population statisticd will be turned upside down if gangadeshis are given a free hand or they dont put up a fight.. It would be like jammu 2.0.

where as i can totally understand the sentiments as i have lost friends and family in the war against terrorism, trust me there is a difference between state /foreign sponsored, indigenous and supported violence. RAW sponsored swines lost in kpk, are almost done in Fata and Balochistan is almost over too.. Think of the families raw has tormented before you start shedding rivers of tears.

This pulwama or similar incident was expected, we even talked about it with friends from india hardly a wk or 2 ago and if history is any lesson this will get heinous before elections. BJP needs anti pakistani rhetoric to win and take an outright majority and pulwama or similar is a time tested approach. Pakistan had nothing to win from these blasts. Mind you we would be happy to see modi off the thrown for nothing other than the innocent killings of kashmiris across LOC.

Now to the sentiments of local indians... Well if indian media keeps on feeding them the filth then i wont be surprised if there are anti muslim riots here and there too. Indian media has always been on a sinister mission. People need to see it to believe it. Its on the same lines as those of antisemitism... Or nowadays antichinese or antirussian rhetoric in west.
Every government in india has to play the anti pakistani card.. BJP has been going on an overdrive and believe me we pakistanis are absolutely ok with it.
Anyways lets see where this thing goes before u ppl head for poles.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Lmao you're so obsessed with promoting this idea that Muslims should value our ethnicity/nationality over our religion.

Sorry but it hasn't happened yet and given the current political situation, it's unlikely to ever happen:

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Indian Muslims themselves are protesting against this attack, they are pro-India; you cannot deny that. So I think that ethnicity/nationality is a pretty big factor.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There are no innocents in Kashmir.

Baby killer mindset being spread by Indian propaganda.

 

[padamchen]

Dont blame the kashmiris for something simmering gor decades now ...
The same people have been methodically punished, deprived and cornered over decades of suupression by indian army. Last i checked the army numbers in the valley are increasing and not the other way around.
Mind you the fire is on both sides, kasmiris know it well that the population statisticd will be turned upside down if gangadeshis are given a free hand or they dont put up a fight.. It would be like jammu 2.0.

where as i can totally understand the sentiments as i have lost friends and family in the war against terrorism, trust me there is a difference between state /foreign sponsored, indigenous and supported violence. RAW sponsored swines lost in kpk, are almost done in Fata and Balochistan is almost over too.. Think of the families raw has tormented before you start shedding rivers of tears.

This pulwama or similar incident was expected, we even talked about it with friends from india hardly a wk or 2 ago and if history is any lesson this will get heinous before elections. BJP needs anti pakistani rhetoric to win and take an outright majority and pulwama or similar is a time tested approach. Pakistan had nothing to win from these blasts. Mind you we would be happy to see modi off the thrown for nothing other than the innocent killings of kashmiris across LOC.

Now to the sentiments of local indians... Well if indian media keeps on feeding them the filth then i wont be surprised if there are anti muslim riots here and there too. Indian media has always been on a sinister mission. People need to see it to believe it. Its on the same lines as those of antisemitism... Or nowadays antichinese or antirussian rhetoric in west.
Every government in india has to play the anti pakistani card.. BJP has been going on an overdrive and believe me we pakistanis are absolutely ok with it.
Anyways lets see where this thing goes before u ppl head for poles.

There will be NO anti "Muslim" riots.

Our Muslims are patriots. And are as disgusted and furious as the rest of us.

You guys seriously have zero idea of on the ground India.

Sitting right next door ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[AsifIjaz]

Well... The biggest news is the one carried in history books and i dont need a history book to recall a few anti muslim riots right next door to us... If i spare u the embarassement of gujrat riots then even there hav been a few scattered anti muslim actions by cow vigilantees to RSS sponsored goons. You are a quite realistic chap so i expect you to be realistic and have the courage to admit that this is a low scale problem. Mind you i never said full blown anti muslim riots like the anti sikh riots you guys had after operation blue star.
Secondly
Indian muslims are patriotic... I know it through my years of contact with them. The problem is not whether they are patriotic or not... The problem is that any muslim or infact any indian who speaks of dialogue, sanity or an alternate view point is branded a traitor or pro pakistan... Be it ur film actors, ur sports personalities or ur common muslim population. Again i do not need to go beyond past decade to prove this to you via ur own media clipings and news. Moreover muslims are oppressed or marginalized in india. Please do not give me the same lecture where u talk of indian presidents to politicians etc who were muslims. The ground reality is quite different and is also accepted by the indian national surveys.
Lastly... The problem with india is simple... U hav lived on anti pakistani rhetoric, u ppl hav been fed this since childhood. The same way South koreans and Japanese loath north koreans regimen.

Bro, through my discussions with indians i have come to realize that the basis for selective amnesia and war mongering attitude by indian population in general and indian media in particular are 3...
1.. The imbecile narrative that it was and is country.. We are one people and pakistan creation was the ultimate sin. The very idea that 2 brothers were separated by britishers and muslim league heinous agenda is laughable. Unfortunately u use it during elections and for rallying support.
2... The state of India is actually like a bully. As a state u are like a dagger wrapped in silk with a massive ego. You can not fathom the mere fact that we can dare or even try to stand against ur tyranny.. Why arent we like nepal, bhuttan, sirilanka and maldives. (mind u, sirilanka and nepal are slipping away fast)
3.. If you let kashmir or a portion of it go, ur east will be a nightmare to control. Its gonna be difficult to control the simmering situation and independent movements there. Good luck with that with or without resolution of kasmir issue.
Indians i have met also love to talk of east Pakistan and balochistan.
The fact is east pak was our stupidity + indian interference and balochistan problem is again a lowwww level issue again sponsored by RAW. Your government is raising a snake which will turn and bite you just like pakistani talibans were raised by us. We sacrificed thousands of lives when that snake was charmed by RAW against its creator / master. I hope i dont live to see the same game played on u coz i am sure with ur imbecile media and explosive attitude of indian people it would lead to a full scale war within no time.

There will be NO anti "Muslim" riots.

Our Muslims are patriots. And are as disgusted and furious as the rest of us.

You guys seriously have zero idea of on the ground India.

Sitting right next door ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[padamchen]

Well... The biggest news is the one carried in history books and i dont need a history book to recall a few anti muslim riots right next door to us... If i spare u the embarassement of gujrat riots then even there hav been a few scattered anti muslim actions by cow vigilantees to RSS sponsored goons. You are a quite realistic chap so i expect you to be realistic and have the courage to admit that this is a low scale problem. Mind you i never said full blown anti muslim riots like the anti sikh riots you guys had after operation blue star.
Secondly
Indian muslims are patriotic... I know it through my years of contact with them. The problem is not whether they are patriotic or not... The problem is that any muslim or infact any indian who speaks of dialogue, sanity or an alternate view point is branded a traitor or pro pakistan... Be it ur film actors, ur sports personalities or ur common muslim population. Again i do not need to go beyond past decade to prove this to you via ur own media clipings and news. Moreover muslims are oppressed or marginalized in india. Please do not give me the same lecture where u talk of indian presidents to politicians etc who were muslims. The ground reality is quite different and is also accepted by the indian national surveys.
Lastly... The problem with india is simple... U hav lived on anti pakistani rhetoric, u ppl hav been fed this since childhood. The same way South koreans and Japanese loath north koreans regimen.

Bro, through my discussions with indians i have come to realize that the basis for selective amnesia and war mongering attitude by indian population in general and indian media in particular are 3...
1.. The imbecile narrative that it was and is country.. We are one people and pakistan creation was the ultimate sin. The very idea that 2 brothers were separated by britishers and muslim league heinous agenda is laughable. Unfortunately u use it during elections and for rallying support.
2... The state of India is actually like a bully. As a state u are like a dagger wrapped in silk with a massive ego. You can not fathom the mere fact that we can dare or even try to stand against ur tyranny.. Why arent we like nepal, bhuttan, sirilanka and maldives. (mind u, sirilanka and nepal are slipping away fast)
3.. If you let kashmir or a portion of it go, ur east will be a nightmare to control. Its gonna be difficult to control the simmering situation and independent movements there. Good luck with that with or without resolution of kasmir issue.
Indians i have met also love to talk of east Pakistan and balochistan.
The fact is east pak was our stupidity + indian interference and balochistan problem is again a lowwww level issue again sponsored by RAW. Your government is raising a snake which will turn and bite you just like pakistani talibans were raised by us. We sacrificed thousands of lives when that snake was charmed by RAW against its creator / master. I hope i dont live to see the same game played on u coz i am sure with ur imbecile media and explosive attitude of indian people it would lead to a full scale war within no time.

I never said we have no Hindu Muslim tensions or riots.

I was speaking about this particular attack.

No Indian equates valley Kashmiris with mainland Muslims.

Least of all mainland Muslims.

They are as pissed as we are.

Why would we attack them?

Its so far off the mark that I wonder whether you guys even understand your enemy.

Cheers, Doc

 

[AsifIjaz]

We do...i spelled it out clearly what is the problem in our east and u like most i have met will just talk of one point here or one issue raised whch u think is easily debatable. Wow
Its time indian population gets hold of their act and recognize the core issue. Its not us, its ur media rating, ur politicians and what has been fed to you. Pulwama, uri or similar things will keep on happening as history will repeat itself till u guys look within and solve the core issue. And trust me its not pakistan as we hav better things to talk off or worry about.
Good day sir

I never said we have no Hindu Muslim tensions or riots.

I was speaking about this particular attack.

No Indian equates valley Kashmiris with mainland Muslims.

Least of all mainland Muslims.

They are as pissed as we are.

Why would we attack them?

Its so far off the mark that I wonder whether you guys even understand your enemy.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

they are pro-India; you cannot deny that. So I think that ethnicity/nationality is a pretty big factor.

1. Such people cannot call themselves Muslims.

2. I agree that many are like this, but there are also those that are not.

Our Muslims are patriots.

Yes, they're so patriotic that they won't even drink from the same cup as you!

 

[padamchen]

1. Such people cannot call themselves Muslims.

2. I agree that many are like this, but there are also those that are not.



Yes, they're so patriotic that they won't even drink from the same cup as you!

More nonsense from a clueless Pakistani ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

More nonsense from a clueless Pakistani ....

Cheers, Doc

Lmao you really don't know a thing about Muslims do you?

 

[padamchen]

Lmao you really don't know a thing about Muslims do you?

I know a lot more about Muslims (grown up with them, lived among them, employed them, loved them) than you guys even think you know about Indians.

Not actually know. Which is nothing.

Cheers, Doc