BrahMos missile test fails after early 'success'

[arslan_treen]

THE TIMES OF INDIA


BrahMos missile test fails after early 'success'
21 Jan 2009, 0000 hrs IST, Rajat Pandit, TNN


NEW DELHI: The Army's endeavour to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile as "a precision-strike weapon" took a hit on Tuesday, with the
missile failing to achieve laid-down parameters in a test. ( Watch )

This comes at a time when the Pakistan Army is galloping ahead in inducting its nuclear-capable Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) - developed with China's help to have a strike range of over 500 km - in large numbers into its arsenal.

Initially, the BrahMos LACM test from the Pokhran field firing range at 10.23am on Tuesday was touted as "successful" by defence ministry officials. But later in the day, this newspaper learnt that it had been quite unsuccessful.

Top defence officials were, however, still reluctant to dub the test, which was witnessed by Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, as "a complete failure".

"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful. Further trials are required," said an official, reluctant to say anything more.

Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one. ''

Ow BOUT THAT >??

 

[Yoni Tantra]

Excellent! So you appriciate Indian free media. Hope this will initiate you in appriciating other reports, which may not be to comforting to you...

 

[abdulrafi]

that is why , indian chief paid uplanned visit to border areas punjab/rajistan , coz .......................

 

[arslan_treen]

yes tantra i doo ...the biggest laugh i get is usualy from india media cummon u cant deny it .. all alike not the print because cant be bother reading it i heard the news on bbc (am frm uk) but put the refrence of indian media to shove in the face of people like you no offence but missile do fail thats why they are tested again and again nothing to get pissed about ..india has not reach the technical level where they can produce something imune to a glitch !!! simple fact sharing nothing to be offended about LOL
oh and just google the head line its all over the news well atleast to the one who cared to write

 

[ajpirzada]

well actually indian designs and softwares are so futuristic that they will become reality only in future
BrahMos was doin great but when DRDO tried to give it some indian touch, we all know the results.
i would say india should get rid of DRDO. it seems more lik a waste of time and money. when u hear these DRDO ppl talking, it seems as if even US will come and buy their product.

 

[Falcon2]

Does anyone know the real cause of Brah Mos missiles faliure?

 

[Moscow]

Does anyone know the real cause of Brah Mos missiles faliure?

sir there are 2 other threads on this please refer to those there are lot of facts there.
thanx.

the reason is that it was tested with a new guidance system than the original one.so its the intregation is what has failed rather than the missile.

thanx

 

[fatman17]

this is just a "smoke-screen" by the indians to lull us into a false sense of security!

 

[jawadqamar]

BrahMos cruise missile failure: Is it the first one?Why DRDO wants to hide the failure?

Latest test of Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile has failed, though initially test was declared as a success by the Defense Ministry and Defence Research and Development Organisation. BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is basically a soviet era supersonic antiship cruise missile designed to sink heavily defended naval warships like destroyers and aircraft carries, but due to lack of options in land attack cruise missile India is trying to adopt the BrahMos antiship missile for land attack role.

Later on problem was partially confirmed by an official release. "There were minor hitches in the last stage of the BrahMos missile during the current test at the Pokhran ranges of Rajasthan," BrahMos Aerospace Corporation's director Dr Sivathanu Pillai said. "The missile performance was absolutely normal until the last phase, but the missile missed the target, though it maintained the direction."

DRDO had declared previously several times after working on different missile programes for decades and spending crores of rupees that they have been tested successfully and are ready for induction in India’s armed forces but later on these claims lost their credibility when these missiles failed in the field tests conducted by the Indian armed forces. Surface-to-air Trishul missile is one such case where Missile was claimed to be tested several times and declared ready for use by DRDO but failed in actual trails by Indian armed forces. Government foreclosed the Trishul missile program of the DRDO due to its inability to meet critical operational requirements. Not very different is the case of two other missile systems, Akash and Nag. Similar is the case of the Akash medium range surface to air missile which is rejected by the Indian army after several failures in trails and was able to secure only a token order form the Indian air force for its requirement for medium range surface to air missile. Indian air force has placed a large order for SPYDER-MR medium range SAM from Israel.......

Another example, Agni-III ballistic missile test by the DRDO in July 2006 was a failure as missile failed just after few seconds and fell into the sea but DRDO then maintained that the test was a successful partially and the problem arose only subsequently....

 

[jeypore]

BrahMos cruise missile failure: Is it the first one?Why DRDO wants to hide the failure?

Latest test of Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile has failed, though initially test was declared as a success by the Defense Ministry and Defence Research and Development Organisation. BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is basically a soviet era supersonic antiship cruise missile designed to sink heavily defended naval warships like destroyers and aircraft carries, but due to lack of options in land attack cruise missile India is trying to adopt the BrahMos antiship missile for land attack role.

Later on problem was partially confirmed by an official release. "There were minor hitches in the last stage of the BrahMos missile during the current test at the Pokhran ranges of Rajasthan," BrahMos Aerospace Corporation's director Dr Sivathanu Pillai said. "The missile performance was absolutely normal until the last phase, but the missile missed the target, though it maintained the direction."

DRDO had declared previously several times after working on different missile programes for decades and spending crores of rupees that they have been tested successfully and are ready for induction in India’s armed forces but later on these claims lost their credibility when these missiles failed in the field tests conducted by the Indian armed forces. Surface-to-air Trishul missile is one such case where Missile was claimed to be tested several times and declared ready for use by DRDO but failed in actual trails by Indian armed forces. Government foreclosed the Trishul missile program of the DRDO due to its inability to meet critical operational requirements. Not very different is the case of two other missile systems, Akash and Nag. Similar is the case of the Akash medium range surface to air missile which is rejected by the Indian army after several failures in trails and was able to secure only a token order form the Indian air force for its requirement for medium range surface to air missile. Indian air force has placed a large order for SPYDER-MR medium range SAM from Israel.......

Another example, Agni-III ballistic missile test by the DRDO in July 2006 was a failure as missile failed just after few seconds and fell into the sea but DRDO then maintained that the test was a successful partially and the problem arose only subsequently....

After this article DRDO is a complet failure. Everything in it's arsenal has failed. I wonder why would india not turns this into civilianian organization, heck atleast they have launch there satellite to moon, and aleast that was not a failure, thank God.

 

[jawadqamar]

ASIAN DEFENCE: Failed test and rocketing costs: Army says no to Brahmos missile

By Amitav Ranjan

New Delhi : The recent failure of the 290-km-range Brahmos missile to hit a pre-defined target and the high over-run in its production cost has put a question mark over fresh orders for 240 of these missiles from the Indian Army.

Though an RFP (Request For Proposal) for equipping two regiments with this missile was placed with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) mid-January, it's learnt that Army chief General Deepak Kapoor has indicated he would not opt for its purchase unless the missile proved its capability and was available at a reasonable price.


"We do not plan to move the proposal to the Cabinet Committee on Security. Let DRDO explain the shortcomings," Army officials told The Sunday Express, adding that both the Army and the Defence Ministry were opposed to the cost over-run and what DRDO claims to be an "advanced" seeker. ...........


"That is why the present seeker has proved to be adequate for the Indian Navy as two objects are far removed from each other at sea," sources said. Brahmos is primarily an anti-ship missile that can be launched either in a vertical or inclined position with the capability of covering targets over a 360-degree horizon. ........

A demonstration to the Army of Brahmos hitting a specific target failed on January 20. The DRDO first claimed success but had to backtrack when General Kapoor insisted on visiting the target site and found that the missile had overshot by a kilometre.

"The missile performance was absolutely normal till the last phase but the missile missed the target though it maintained direction," Brahmos Aerospace Corporation Director Sivathanu Pillai admitted later. The next test is scheduled for February 10.


Incidentally, a test fire using a vertical launch instead of the usual inclined position from battleship INS Ranvir on January 15 also missed its target, DRDO sources said. Beyond the technology glitch, the DRDO would also have to explain the costs. The Indo-Russian joint venture is now quoting Rs 8,500 crore (October 2008 prices) for arming two regiments compared to Rs 3,000 crore in 2006.


The DRDO says that the cost escalation is due to the new price of Rs 27 crore being asked by the Russians for each missile compared to Rs 13 crore earlier. The Indo-Russian joint venture was formed between DRDO and the Federal State Unitary Enterprise NPO Mashinostroyenia of Russia with the intent to indigenize here. But so far, 80 percent — mainly the liquid ramjet engine and the seeker — are imported in knock-down condition to be reassembled by the Russians.

 

[intruder]

This is not the first time nor it is the last time things have not worked out as planned, like it or not high tech things has always have there share of success and failure !

 

[jeypore]

Build It Right, And They Will Come


February 2, 2009: The Indian Army is refusing to buy any more BrahMos cruise missiles until the system has proved, via realistic testing, that it can do what it was designed to do. The army version of BrahMos failed its first operational test recently. While the Indian Navy is happy with the performance of its version of the missile (which is used to destroy enemy warships), the army version is equipped with a different terminal guidance system, that is supposed to enable the missile to hit a target in a cluttered environment. This is basically a video camera which broadcasts back to an operator images of what the missile is headed for. This is so minor adjustments can be made, to insure that the right, say, building can be hit. In addition to getting that new guidance seeker working, the army is also concerned with the high cost of each missile (over $2 million).

The Indian Army BrahMos is fired from a truck mounted launcher, and during the test, missed its target some 200 kilometers distant. The missile was accepted for service in the Indian Navy three years ago, but the first operational test of the army version was delayed as engineers fussed over technical issues. The missile had performed well in development tests. But an operational test means the missile is issued to a combat unit, and fired by a military crew. Russia has had problems like this before, as have all countries. But Russia has had more problems with high tech weapons, like BrahMos, than Western nations.

Last year, India ordered 800 more of the new PJ-10 BrahMos missiles. The Indian Army had planned to buy 80 launchers as well. Russia has not yet ordered any BrahMos, while India is also working on lighter versions for use by aircraft and submarines.

The 3.2 ton BrahMos has a range of 300 kilometers and a 660 pound warhead. Perhaps the most striking characteristic is its high speed, literally faster (at up to 3,000 feet per second) than a rifle bullet. Guidance is GPS or inertial to reach the general area of the target (usually a ship or other small target), then radar (in the navy version) that will identify the specific target and hit it. The warhead weighs 660 pounds, and the high speed at impact causes additional damage (because of the weight of the entire missile.)

India and Russia developed the weapon together, and now offer the BrahMos for export. The high price of each missile, about $2.3 million, restricts the number of countries that can afford it. Different versions of the PJ-10 can be fired from aircraft, ships, ground launchers or submarines. The maximum speed of 3,000 kilometers an hour makes it harder to intercept, and means it takes five minutes or less to reach its target. The air launched version weighs 2.5 tons, the others, three tons or more.

The 29 foot long, 670mm diameter missile is an upgraded version of the Russian SS-NX-26 (Yakhont) anti-ship missile, which was in development when the Cold War ended in 1991. Lacking money to finish development and begin production, the Russian manufacturer made a deal with India to finish the job. India put up most of the $240 million needed to finally complete two decades of development. The PJ-10 is also being built in Russia. Efforts are being made to export up to 2,000. China and Iran have also expressed interest in the weapon, but only Malaysia, Chile, South Africa, Kuwait and the UAE (United Arab Emirates) have been approached with a sales pitch. Russia and India are encouraged enough to invest in BrahMos 2, which will use a scramjet, instead of a ramjet, in the second stage. This would double speed, and make the missile much more difficult to defend against.

The large order from India indicates it plans to make the missile a major weapon system. The BrahMos can carry a nuclear warhead, but is designed mainly to go after high value targets that require a large warhead and great accuracy. The BrahMos could take out enemy headquarters, or key weapons systems (especially those employing electronic or nuclear weapons.)
Artillery: Build It Right, And They Will Come

 

[Super Falcon]

brahmos is old tech cruise missle from russia i think may be its new any way but indian missiles are useless to me atleast 50% of them

 

[Moscow]

brahmos is old tech cruise missle from russia i think may be its new any way but indian missiles are useless to me atleast 50% of them

sir would you please mind elaborating which old tech cruise missile it is?as far as i know its the derivative of SS-NX-26 (Yakhont) anti-ship missile,now how that is an old tech you can help us.

just one point to all the brahmos we are talking about here is the land version and not he original naval version its 2 diferent missiles,there is noneed just to argue for the point of arguing, below is an piece which will show that he whole world inclusive of the chinese and saudis wants to get a hand on this so called "PIECE OF CRAP".

remember also that its written by an american website.

The PJ-10 is also being built in Russia. Efforts are being made to export up to 2,000. China and Iran have also expressed interest in the weapon, but only Malaysia, Chile, South Africa, Kuwait and the UAE (United Arab Emirates) have been approached with a sales pitch. Russia and India are encouraged enough to invest in BrahMos 2, which will use a scramjet, instead of a ramjet, in the second stage. This would double speed, and make the missile much more difficult to defend against.


The 3.2 ton BrahMos has a range of 300 kilometers and a 660 pound warhead. Perhaps the most striking characteristic is its high speed, literally faster (at up to 3,000 feet per second) than a rifle bullet. Guidance is GPS or inertial to reach the general area of the target (usually a ship or other small target), then radar (in the navy version) that will identify the specific target and hit it. The warhead weighs 660 pounds, and the high speed at impact causes additional damage (because of the weight of the entire missile.)

India and Russia developed the weapon together, and now offer the BrahMos for export. The high price of each missile, about $2.3 million, restricts the number of countries that can afford it. Different versions of the PJ-10 can be fired from aircraft, ships, ground launchers or submarines. The maximum speed of 3,000 kilometers an hour makes it harder to intercept, and means it takes five minutes or less to reach its target. The air launched version weighs 2.5 tons, the others, three tons or more.


full article is here:Artillery: Build It Right, And They Will Come