Brace for Pakistan-Israel Diplomatic and Military Relationship

[maximuswarrior]

unity in a fort is crucial.

just ask Tipu Sultan

Ot course it is, but we lack unity in so many things.

 

[El Sidd]

Ot course it is, but we lack unity in so many things.

its a working evolutionary process not subject to analysis done on graphs and charts.

Israel is as well defended on the streets as Pakistan is in terms of will of the people occupying a piece of land.

Let go of your jewish envy

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

When traitors ruled Pakiatan 1999-2008.

Israeli and Pakistani Foreign Ministers hold first high-level meeting.

 

[loanranger]

Those who call Pakistan a failed state with no relevance should take note. Why are Isreali ties with pauper Pakistan such a big deal ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You can try and go lick Israel's *** on your own, but they will still treat you like sewer rat and kick you out of their way.

Pakistan's problem is not with Israel, problem is Pakistan is a problem for Israel.

You can go and bend your shit and what not but Israel will still come to whoop your *** and that is because they know what they are doing while the ignorants amongst us like you have no clue on what they are doing and what you are supposed to do.
The mentally deprived ones can't get this because it needs a bit of inner enlightenment which you lack and exist on the shallow side of things you do.

And you don't care about Palestine issue or any other issue because you are one of those selfish folk, the same type who have been voting in the looters mafia in our country.
It's not about arab or **** or kashmiri. It's about morality, and doing what is right, but for that you need to have some intellect and morality inside there. Void of which you will let lose statements just like above and think you are being smart while drowning in the misery of ignorance.

I didn't mean this to be offensive but I don't have better words to try to make you people stop being ignorant and sheep to the wrong and lack of information.

If it's about Morality than why don't the Arabs or other Muslims support Pakistan and the Kashmiris? If they don't care about us then why should we care about them?

 

[Rafeh]

The late Pakistani President Zia-ul Haq decided to reassure Israel that the Pakistani nuclear programme would not threaten its national interests as the US had close relations with both Pakistan and Israel. Washington is supposed to have aided initial contacts between these two states created on the basis of religion. In a sense, Israel was confident that the US would not allow Pakistan’s nuclear capability to threaten Israel. Perhaps this explains the Israeli position that abstains from any reference to Pakistan in the context of pre-emptive strikes against the nuclear programmes of Iraq, Iran and Libya. As a result, President Zia opted for a back-channel between the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate and Israel’s Mossad through their officers attached to their embassies in Washington DC.

What is hell is this nonsense..... The reality is always and always will that Israel would not have dared to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities. Iraq was severely weakened due to war with Iran and Syria was ill equipped militarily to handle Israeli aggression, otherwise Israel would not have dared attacked even a well equipped Syria. US is not even daring to attack North Korea who are worse off in so many ways than Pakistan.

Pakistan is a total different league. Its a massive country with military that shoots down "invisible stealth helicopter" for even conducting an operation against a world renowned fugitive's home (i.e. osama bin laden"). While at it blocks US supply line for a month.... militarily. Kicks US out of their airbase in Pakistan. All that against US for doing the "internationally recognized right thing that is to kill a wanted man by the world". Just for illegal incursion, Pakistan retaliated both in Pakistan and lets not talk about how in Afghanistan where America bled facing retaliation from our "friends" there.

That too even when we were being paid to provide this assistance including to catch osama.... Even when the whole world was with US on osama issue. US did not dare "even blame us openly and officially for having osama" because if they had, to save their face, world would have required them to attack Pakistan and "change the regime here too" but that's way out of reach for the US. American never defeated a strong united large country in its entire history. It always entered the war with the "exhausted and destroyed ones".

America cherry picks the weakened countries for those purpose where it supposively wins while in reality returns defeated. US first engineers events that weakened the fabricated enemy and cherry picked "victim nation" (weakened first by global sanctions, lured to fight other nations (e.g. as Iraq was lured to attack iran and Kuwait). Even then US does not dare attacking. It usually then lures the whole world to further weakened the "victim country" such as when the dozens' of countries were lured to attack Iraq in 1991). Even then US fears and so it creates civil wars to completely weaken the "victim country" so much so as to make sure US can actually win when it finally attacks the already exhausted victim country. For example in the usual final step America internally divides the victim country by pitting half country against the rest of the half and then claiming victory based on "traiter half's sacrifices" (as in Afganistan, Vietnam, korea, Iraq etc.).

The point is US would not have allowed Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons if US could have stopped Pakistan. It could not. Cost was simply too great. Pakistan was united. Even when fighting among each other, Pakistani always unite against foreign "infidel aggression". Pakistan is too large and too aggressive with too many militants and too diverse population to even win over after the military is weakened.

US could not stop Pakistan because it simply could not. Its as simple. Those who live their in la la land can dream otherwise (such we got the permission..really? since when you get permission to built nuclear weapons). The reality is what is. US begged Pakistan to not test nuclear weapons even when we had them and offered an entire F-16 factory along with other goodies, just not test. Clearly they never wanted us to have those nukes. We have them because we decided and we gave ourselves the permission to have them and we ignored their warnings, their "paper tiger" threats and other manipulations.


The tiny israel with its small military that could not even defeat small armed militia known as Hezbollah and ended up bombing Lebanese hospitals, primary schools, civilian residential buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians, women and children to force Hezbollah to withdraw, is meant to give us "permission to have nukes or not have nukes".

Seriously???

So here is question: Has israel also "given permission to Hezbollah to have all those "rockets and missiles" as well" or Hezbollah has just taken the liberty to have all those missiles without Israel permission??

A country that can't stop a small militia such as Hezbollah having missiles would NEVER dare to attack the largest density of Muslims on earth in a single country (compared to non-muslim population living there). That's death wish and perfect way for israel to lose its "fabricated image of very militarily capable nation". Pakistan will bring Israel to knees exposing its fabricated military image over the decades. Secular partying israelis are not "those battled hardened tough guys" in the battlefield. First deal with Hezbollah and then worry about massive military powers such as Pakistan.


At the time of british we did not have any weapons nor any sense of self and British simply bribed our local war lords, rulers. Plus in a destroyed economy due to mughal mismanagement, they quickly offered jobs, infra-structure and still Pakistanis forced them and indians out eventually. It was low time when Pakistanis did not have a united sense of self and were segregated bunch of people at war with each other. That time is now long gone. We are a nation now.

With our new sense of self, we can fight wars since it carries clarity and meaning now. Whenever Pakistanis had such meaning and sense of self, no one could defeat us in past.

Pakistanis can be mighty warriors when we are required to become. Even alexander the great praised people of this region, specifically the Sindhi tribes that taught him a lesson during his military campaign and he was forced to run away (His only defeat).

Sindhis and Punjabis brought down even the so called Alexander the great and forced him to leave. With 10,000 reinforcement from Turks (the Khanate), these very same punjabis, sindhis, Pashtuns and Kasmiries gathered over 80,000 to 100,000 men (through announcements in villages on drums) and defeated the most feared army ever existed namely the mongols during a decade of repeated attacks. The same mangol who very few could even fight.

Baluchistan is fiercely independent and impossible to control for any foreign military. Kashmir and nothern Pakistanis have been and will fight for another 70 years against aggressors even when living under "the highest density of military to civillian ratio" and with the enemy that is well armed and well funded using same or similar weapons as in best of militarizes and having a population of 1.3 billlion.

20 millions pashtuns are hard to deal with in Afganistan for americans . How on earth US can deal with 50 million Pakistani Pashtuns in Pakistan (25 million in KP, 7 to 9 million in tribal belts, 7-8 million (including Rohilla) in Karachi and rest in Punjabs, balochistan, sindh, Kashmir).

Only 80,000 Pashtuns with some Tajiks are fighting against US and US is begging for their approval to just withdraw even after the one of longest and most ruthless campaigns against them bombing civilians, women and children. Where on earth a small Israel will be allowed to get away an attack on Pakistani soil.

Why would we hesitate to fight 7 million "Jews" and declare war on them, if they dared to attack our nuclear program that provides us "existentialist security".

Pakistan has vast number of scientist and engineers with even greater ability to create even more such scientists. You can't assassinate few to even slow down our military programs. Even when Dr A.Q. Khan was supplying all the nuclear related technologies to every tom and harry including the very same Iraq and libya that israel attacked, they did not even bothered to harm him. Because A. Q. Khan has "Pakistani nationality" and no one dares to attack our scientists even internationally "most wanted ones". Even coward Musharaf did not allow US to do that. NOR "the so called super power" was allowed to take A.Q.khan into custody or even try him in international court. They can't even harm a scientist that has violated Pakistani laws along with international ones, how on earth they would "harm our nuclear program" which is our everything.

Aggressive Pakistanis are impossible to tame. Pakistanis are NOT Indians. We retaliate..... always. That's why our program is safe. World knows, even if our programs is harmed it would only be temporary. "Competent Pakistanis" would rebuilt our nuclear program and ones nukes in their hand, Pakistan would retaliate against countries that were responsible for the harm in the first place. Plus killing few physicist makes no difference to Pakistan, we have too many of them (and world class in every way) except that israeli bars and universities will see retaliation when "israeli physicists will die in a retaliatory bombing campaign.

Israeli false superiority complex and as viewed by indians is result of their underlying indian and israeli inferiority complex where they dream that "they are allowing us" to have nuclear weapons (and we are supposed to say "thanks dudes" for that).

It reduces their inner "dissonance" (i.e. against the high self image yet conflicting with their feelings of helplessness in front of Pakistan where they can't do anything except dream).

Israel should try to ban Hamas having "kalashankovs" first. If they can't dare to do that, how on earth they can even dream of stopping Pakistan having nuclear weapons where entire nation stands as one. Pakistan will retaliate massively and crush them even if such a plan becomes known and imminent and there is no actual such attack yet. Fantasy is one thing and what is going on in reality is another.

The law of nuclear weapons is always true.

The law of Nuclear weapons: IF US and other could have stopped Pakistan, they would have already, either by militarily, economically, by killing scientist and engineers, by regime change, by direct threats and by civil wars (i.e. profiling and selecting people with anti-personality disorders, psychopaths and other mental health issues as well as criminals along with "ethnicists" to form militants leading to chaos, terrorism and civil wars). They could not do it to Pakistan but tried still anyway. Pakistan has nuclear weapons because there is no power on earth that can stop and could have stopped Pakistan from having them. Its just the law of nuclear weapons. A nations has them since none could stop them. Pakistanis are competent people, even if world has stopped any outside assistance, Pakistanis would have still developed nuclear weapons may be with some delay but we still would have had them. Pakistanis don't need permissions from others. We are too independent minded to worry about "small Israeli threats".

Israel was told that we will retaliate against Indian nuclear sites and in the future, when we will have the capability we will attack Israel. Zia NEVER acknowledged Pakistani nuclear program even to Americans as per their declassified documents. why on earth he would be telling Israelis that Pakistani nuclear program that too the ONE partly funded by Arabs at least initially that it won't be a threat to Israel. Pakistan will threaten every country that threatens Pakistan's national security or that of our allies. NO exceptions.

Even a mosad agents openly admits that even attacking a "rouge scientists (in their opinion namely a.q. khan)" is "very dangerous (as in Pakistan's retaliation makes it dangerous). Its somewhere there on youtube on Syrian attack documentary in 2007 I think. I can't remember.

Israel can tell in documentaries that their commandos are " so great" that they can do magical things but on the ground in reality facing a Pakistani commando with a similar gun and similar human body and training is a different thing. Reality is harsh.

Mods please don't allow such made up indian nonsense.

Pakistani is too big, too militarily capable and too well armed to be attacked by a small Israel and too aggressive and proud to let them get away with it. Pakistan will lose all its credibility as a nation that "always retaliates" if it ever attacked. Our programs are safe because of such mindset and our past is a witness to our "offensive defensive approach".

For Israeli military planners its very foolish to attack Pakistan's nuclear sites even with massive indian help and its is just too dangerous and too threatening for Israel. It poses existential threat to israel with only 7 or so main cities (depending how you view it), Israel cannot threatened Pakistan that we will go around seeking their permission.

Pakistan military uses same network eccentric unified command and control system that best of best have. Even at sub-system level Pakistan matches advanced militarizes. For example designed and made in Pakistan integrated battlefield management systems with same capabilities that of best Israel has to offer for tank warfare.

Israel can certainly harm Pakistan and even militarily contest Pakistan but Israel will not survive a direct military confrontation against Pakistan.

Pakistan does not need permission from anyone. Those who want to dream on otherwise, they are very welcome to do so. Its a free world after all.

 

[graphican]

Don't bother retards... there is not even 0.01% acceptance towards Israel in Pakistan. Chill... or worry about it but no Paksitani is going to extend a finger for friendship - albite middle one.

 

[The Eagle]

Members are advised to avoid posting such kind of useless content on this forum and save the time please. Time to get back to some quality discussion. Such propaganda is not welcome here at all.

Regards,