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Boycott China? Dragon now angel for Indian startups
Anand J| TNN | Updated: Nov 20, 2016, 08.30 AM IST

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BENGALURU: 'Boycott China' messages may have become routine on WhatsApp in India. But in the startup world, India and China are drawing closer.

Chinese firms and funds have become big investors in Indian startups+ , and they are becoming particularly useful now as US funds slow down. Beijing Miteno Communication Technology, a Chinese tech conglomerate, made this year's biggest acquisition in the technology startup space — the $900 million buyout of Media.net, a subsidiary of Mumbai-based Directi, founded by brothers Bhavin and Divyank Turakhia.

Ecommerce giant Alibaba has made large investments in Paytm and Snapdeal. Didi Chuxing, the equivalent of Uber in China, has invested in Ola. Internet giant Tencent recently led a $175 million funding in messaging app Hike; prior to that, it led a $90 million round in healthcare solutions firm Practo and, through its joint venture with South Africa's Naspers, invested in online travel firm Ibibo Group.

"There are demographic similarities and both countries are seeing consumer growth for digital firms. Also, Chinese players+ have experience in market creation and running successful digital companies, so they can play a bigger role than being just financial investors," says Ashish Kashyap, founder of Ibibo, which last month merged with rival MakeMyTrip. Alibaba, for instance, is seen to be actively helping Paytm in various aspects.

Bhavin Turakhia says the Chinese understand the Indian market better than US companies do as the Indian market is on the same evolution path as that of China, but about 5 to 10 years behind.

Chinese companies and funds have become big investors in Indian startups+ . Cheetah Mobile, which owns products like Clean Master, invested in fitness app GOQii late last year.

Ctrip, one of China's largest online travel companies, invested $180 million in MakeMyTrip in January. China-based investment firm Hillhouse Capital has invested in CarDekho. Smartphone maker Xiaomi led a $25-million funding round in content provider Hungama Digital Media Entertainment in April.

Web services company Baidu has said it is scouting for investment opportunities in Indian startups.

Even other Asian companies are nowhere close to investing as much as the Chinese in Indian startups. Japan's SoftBank and Singapore's Temasek are among the few non-Chinese ones that have made investments. Taiwan's Foxconn has also made several investments, like in Qikpod, Hike and Snapdeal, but some see Foxconn as practically a Chinese company, given that much of its operations is in China.

What's pushing the Chinese tech companies to make large investments are two things: one, many of them are making big profits in their home market, thanks partly to the restrictions on foreign competition; and two, the Chinese economy is slowing down.

So they want to use their surpluses to expand into what is potentially the world's third largest digital market.

"There are only two big growing markets where they can invest: India and the United States. Silicon Valley does not respect Chinese capital. So the Indian tech sector becomes attractive to them," says Mohan Kumar, executive director at Norwest Ventures, a US-based venture fund that has operations in India. Kumar also notes that Chinese investors often value Indian startups at three to five times more than what other seasoned investors do. "So entrepreneurs naturally prefer them," he says.

Higher valuations mean the Chinese investors take lower stakes for the same amount of investment, and founders can hope for an even higher valuation in their next round of fund raising.

Language and politics are a challenge. May be for that reason, the Chinese are for now preferring partnerships and not outright buys. Even investment firms are building partnerships. Chinese VC fund Incapital has tied up with Indian fund IvyCap Ventures to enable its partner investors to have a closer look at potential investment opportunities in Indian startups.

China is showing interest in traditional industries too. In July, Chinese pharma company Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Co acquired Indian injectables manufacturer Gland Pharma for $1.27 billion, and in August, Chinese conglomerate Jiangsu Longzhe Technology and Trade Development Co acquired Diamond Power Infrastructure, Vadodara-based manufacturer of cables, conductors, transformers and other power sector equipment, for $125 million. But digital technology looks to be where the biggest action is.
 
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Yes, it is on social media in response to china blocking masud Azhar being declared as terrorist. China is a smart country and does not supposed to as foolish as supporting terrorist. If china does that just to rattle india, china will have a very heavy price to pay. They cannot expect our support in a war against terrorism.
 
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India never boycotted China but some overzealous people appealed for a boycott of 'made in china' products to express their anger for supporting the terrorist Masood Azhar. But the smart chinese have found a way to bypass this boycott by 'making in India'. So a win-win for both.
 
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Didi Chuxing, the equivalent of Uber in China, has invested in Ola.


Yes I met one of Didi's founder last year, they were mulling for an investment in India, didn't know it's Ola though.

Language and politics are a challenge. May be for that reason, the Chinese are for now preferring partnerships and not outright buys. Even investment firms are building partnerships. Chinese VC fund Incapital has tied up with Indian fund IvyCap Ventures to enable its partner investors to have a closer look at potential investment opportunities in Indian startups.


Not just corporations, in fact it's quite common for PE/VC funds in Shanghai (and other cities as well) to have operations in Mumbai looking for deals. Yes, some invests as LP in partnership with local GP for better local market knowledge.

In July, Chinese pharma company Shanghai Fosun Pharmaceutical Co acquired Indian injectables manufacturer Gland Pharma for $1.27 billion, and in August, Chinese conglomerate Jiangsu Longzhe Technology and Trade Development Co acquired Diamond Power Infrastructure, Vadodara-based manufacturer of cables, conductors, transformers and other power sector equipment, for $125 million. But digital technology looks to be where the biggest action is.


Chinese firms have keen interest in the pharma sector, Fosun deal is a good example, I believe more deals are coming. For those investing in this sector, which has a uniquely designed legal structure compared to most countries, this is a must read:

"PATENT PROTECTION AND INDIAN PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY"
http://www.globalresearchonline.net/journalcontents/Volume3issue2/Article 008.pdf
https://defence.pk/threads/chinas-f...record-breaking-takeover.442067/#post-8529402
 
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Yes I met one of Didi's founder last year, they were mulling for an investment in India, didn't know it's Ola though.




Not just corporations, in fact it's quite common for PE/VC funds in Shanghai (and other cities as well) to have operations in Mumbai looking for deals. Yes, some invests as LP in partnership with local GP for better local market knowledge.




Chinese firms have keen interest in the pharma sector, Fosun deal is a good example, I believe more deals are coming. For those investing in this sector, which has a uniquely designed legal structure compared to most countries, this is a must read:

"PATENT PROTECTION AND INDIAN PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY"
http://www.globalresearchonline.net/journalcontents/Volume3issue2/Article 008.pdf
https://defence.pk/threads/chinas-f...record-breaking-takeover.442067/#post-8529402


We welcome Chinese investments in India wholeheartedly:china:

Main destination of Chinese FDI in India should be Infra and Manufacturing
 
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We welcome Chinese investments in India wholeheartedly:china:

Main destination of Chinese FDI in India should be Infra and Manufacturing


Glad to know!

From what I know the private sector, both corporations and PE/VC funds, are the ones actively investing in India. That could be services or manufacturing, say Lenovo, Huawei, Alibaba or Didi Chuxing.

Comparatively speaking, on infra as well as heavy industries, progress are slower. Perhaps because these sectors are driven by huge SOE (and sovereign welfare funds, EXIM Bank), which in turn are directed by macroscopic policy say OBOR, ASEAN, Made In China 2025, Africa strategy, Latin America strategy, etc.
Yet to see if Beijing will shape an similar initiative inclusive of India, only till then sovereign funds and SOE will massively get involved. For the time being, I believe infra and heavy industries may come from other sources, say Hyundai, Daewoo, JICA or Kawasaki. Let's wish some G2G framework can be reached between Beijing and GOI soon, for example the Asia Super Grid project (see below) might be a good start.

 
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Yes, it is on social media in response to china blocking masud Azhar being declared as terrorist. China is a smart country and does not supposed to as foolish as supporting terrorist. If china does that just to rattle india, china will have a very heavy price to pay. They cannot expect our support in a war against terrorism.

On this, I agree, that there should be no tolerance toward terrorism in any form. Especially religious forms of terrorism, due to the other-world nature of it, tends to be destructive and hard to stop, contain.

I am not clear about the details of this case but, as a principle, even against the worst enemy, religious terrorism must not be used as a tool. And India is nowhere close being an existential enemy of China.

We have disputes and compete as two growing nations, but, if China takes Indian competition as a form of hostility, then we have no right to complain when the US takes our competition as a form of hostility.
 
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Glad to know!

From what I know the private sector, both corporations and PE/VC funds, are the ones actively investing in India. That could be services or manufacturing, say Lenovo, Huawei, Alibaba or Didi Chuxing.

Comparatively speaking, on infra as well as heavy industries, progress are slower. Perhaps because these sectors are driven by huge SOE (and sovereign welfare funds, EXIM Bank), which in turn are directed by macroscopic policy say OBOR, ASEAN, Made In China 2025, Africa strategy, Latin America strategy, etc.
Yet to see if Beijing will shape an similar initiative inclusive of India, only till then sovereign funds and SOE will massively get involved. For the time being, I believe infra and heavy industries may come from other sources, say Hyundai, Daewoo, JICA or Kawasaki. Let's wish some G2G framework can be reached between Beijing and GOI soon, for example the Asia Super Grid project (see below) might be a good start.


I am sure that despite having a Border dispute the Chinese government will not make the mistake of ignoring the market of 1.2 billion and join the Indian Infra Boom
 
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On this, I agree, that there should be no tolerance toward terrorism in any form. Especially religious forms of terrorism, due to the other-world nature of it, tends to be destructive and hard to stop, contain.

I am not clear about the details of this case but, as a principle, even against the worst enemy, religious terrorism must not be used as a tool. And India is nowhere close being an existential enemy of China.

We have disputes and compete as two growing nations, but, if China takes Indian competition as a form of hostility, then we have no right to complain if the US takes our competition as a form of hostility.


Neither do I have any idea about details of this "religious terrorism" thing, guess most Chinese never even heard about it. Back on topic, all I know is that net inflow of FDI to India was $44 billion last year, and Chinese investment in India now is led by private sector like Alibaba or Lenovo, who are just small potatoes compared to the big SOE guys. Infra and heavy industries not driven by small-time players but big guys, like State Grid of China, COSCO, Shanghai Baogang Steelwork, CHEC, not to mention those behemoth sovereign funds (combined AUM of $2 trillion).

These SOE follow Beijing policy, see how OBOR or Latin America strategy put them at work? So before governments of both nations reach an reapproachment and sign a G2G framework, these guys can't move. Reapproachment, is the only key to unlock massive capital flow.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.CD.WD?year_high_desc=true
 
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I am sure that despite having a Border dispute the Chinese government will not make the mistake of ignoring the market of 1.2 billion and join the Indian Infra Boom


Yes there are a lot of infras to be built, that's what Chinese SOE's do. Don't forget about digital services could be helped by China SOE as well, check this article.


"How are the vulnerable and "work-in-progress" parts of Indian industry faring against increased external competition? Is there a level-playing field? ... This vulnerability is most visible in the world of technology. Amazon has parked close to $3 billion in cash to overthrow local e-commerce leader Flipkart. Uber is closing the gap with Ola. Facebook owns India's top 3 phone apps."

"India has lately been at the receiving end of this grim-sounding funnel, getting digitally colonised."

"Didn't Chinese ventures like Didi Chuxing, WeChat, and Alibaba succeed in wearing down foreign entrants? Anecdotal comparisons aside, we need to ask ourselves whether this is a fair parallel. After all, Didi Chuxing had $10 billion of cash in its battle with Uber.“

"Amazon faced a strong adversary in Alibaba, backed by China's formidable sovereign wealth fund (SWF). In contrast, Ola and Flipkart cannot match the fire power of their American rivals. A lack of domestic capital and scale implies they have to depend primarily on edgy foreign investors and risk losing market share while competing."

"Robust precedent models can be found in plenty. More than 30 per cent of Temasek's S$ 240 billion portfolio taps into unlisted equities, backing firms such as Airbnb, Didi Chuxing, China Internet Plus, and the now public Alibaba."

"Saudi Arabia's public investment fund invested $3.5 billion in Uber this year and the Qatar Investment Authority backed Flipkart as early as 2014."

ICT infra, smart grid, cyberspace, these are 21st century sovereign soil in digital form, India needs all the firepower she needs to fend off colonisation from the west. In this war, it's tech and financial weaponry at work, and that's why I said a China-India reapproachment can do alot of good to India. As long as Beijing gives the order, battle-hardened SOE's can help defend India.


 
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"How are the vulnerable and "work-in-progress" parts of Indian industry faring against increased external competition? Is there a level-playing field? ... This vulnerability is most visible in the world of technology. Amazon has parked close to $3 billion in cash to overthrow local e-commerce leader Flipkart. Uber is closing the gap with Ola. Facebook owns India's top 3 phone apps."
This is deplorable.....
Digital colonisation is even worse than old-style colonisation.
It robs a country's wealth secretly and morally.
 
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We welcome Chinese investments in India wholeheartedly:china:

Main destination of Chinese FDI in India should be Infra and Manufacturing
You are one of the very few sane Indian members who has who thinks positively. Cheers!
 
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