Bosnia Genocide Part 2 - Urgent warning

[Foinikas]

Yes, because it is not relevant.
I have found that people pick on irrelevant points when they have nothing else to say.

But, I get decent vibes from you, so OK, plus Greeks aren't all bad, one of my closest friend is a Cypriot Greek.
I am British Pakistani Muslim. I think that covers everything lol

Well there. Was that so hard? Lol

 

[Chak Bamu]

Seriously? You believe that? You actually believe that? So America bad in Vietnam,America bad in Gulf War 1991,America bad in 2001,2003,2011,Syria and everywhere....but America wanted to help and save Muslims in the middle of Europe when already the UN and EU was involved out of idealism and love for freedom and peace? What this,all of a sudden we're back in 1944,Normandy? Are you guys serious? CLINTON? CLINTON??? "I did not have sexual relationships with that woman,Miss Lewinski" and Hillary "We landed in Bosnia under sniper fire"??? You believe those people? 'Cause they're Democrats?



There was no "planned genocide". The rapidity&ferocity that you mentioned was because the ArBiH although had the biggest manpower by far,they had mostly small weapons and very few heavy weapons at first. And that's how the VRS managed to capture territories so fast. Karadzic had warned them in the parliament: "How will you defend your people if there's a war?" However Izetbegovic and the Western media made this question look like a threat. Izetbegovic knew they were outgunned and many of his people would die. And he insisted on declaring independence.

Why was Sarajevo besieged for so long? The Serbs had the heavy weapons and the high ground around the city (and Grbavica which was a Serbian district in Sarajevo),but the ArBiH had more men inside.

So when the Serbs tried to get inside,the ArBiH would destroy their tanks with AT weapons and defend with more men,but they couldn't leave because the Serbs had the heavy weapons outside the city.

Slowly with some victories,black market and help from the Croats and Americans,the ArBiH started getting more and more weapons. Iran and Pakistan's help to them was very important.



They turned the tide for two reasons:
1. The Bosniak-Croat War stopped and the two sides formed an alliance against the VRS. At the same time Krajina had collapsed and about 200,000 Serbs fled from Croatia. That meant the HV was free to support the HVO more easily now.
2. The Americans started bombing Serb positions and putting more and more political pressure on both Serbia and Republika Srpska to sign an agreement.



Have you heard stories of horror from Serbs? Or Croats? In both the Bosnian war and 1999? I remember how in Greece back in then we used to send humanitarian aid for the Krajina,Republika Srpska and later Serbia proper,the money gathered for humanitarian aid,we would send food,clothes,toys. We would gather them at schools and churches and other places. Serbian children would come to live with Greek families for periods of time to escape the war.
Others who fought there or went there as reporters or lived there,told stories of muslim brutality and jihadi-like crimes.
In case you think this war was black and white. On this side,we know who was the real agressor. Who started this story and who got help from the Western media and American propaganda machine and an administration so corrupt and filled with Zionist ministers.

Dear Brother in Abrahamic faith, I really do not wish to argue with you & spread negativity. I understand your perspective.

But I saw the whole thing play out on evening news over three years & interview first-hand victims. I was also emotionally, materially, & ideologically invested in this conflict. I met high level & also common Bosnians. They were totally unprepared. They knew that declaring independence would bring trouble, but once Slovenia declared independence, the fate of any unity within Yugoslavia was sealed. Serbs had already dominated Yugoslavia and the rise of Serb ethno-nationalism under Milosovic broke the country. An ethnic group can not continue to dominate, imagine themselves as victims, & then hope for unity. The whole Balkan war was unfortunate, but it was basically due to Serb nationalism. It is pointless to argue & blame the victims.

I take strong exception to your use of the illogical term "Jihadi crimes". Bosnians fought in self-defense. Which moral code allows for surrendering freedom & dignity in exchange of servility & bondage? Islam allows victims to fight in self-defense. A war of self-defense and freedom can only be called a struggle for freedom. You do understand that Bosnians had been nominally Muslims, right? How can you accuse them of acting in the name of religion? You may blame the global Islamists (who joined the conflict late when all the population had already been affected) if they did cross certain red lines - there I would understand & denounce any crimes committed. But you can not throw terms around like this without understanding the context. Would it be OK if I call Serbs Crusaders? It certainly would not be & therefore, even though Serb nationalism included an appeal to the Orthodox Christian belief, I would not use an illogical term.

Let us just hope that peace prevails & if Serbs of Bosnia see no other way but to break-away, the separation would be peaceful. I do not wish to see more war in this world of ours.

 

[Sayfullah]

This is showing Muslim Brotherhood is not lipstic, like some PDF members often said in here many times

Muslim brotherhood and the Ummah will always exist. Nationalists deny it.
Afghan-Soviet war, Bosnian genocide, Chechen war, Kashmiri uprising in 90s, Afghan-Nato war, Iraq war, Syrian revolution and many more wars mujahids from all over the world went to fight and help their Muslim brothers. It will always be like that. Unfortunately our own Muslim brothers label other Muslims as terrorists for answering the call to jihad and helping the oppressed. They call mujahideen terrorists then say there’s no ummah and no Muslim brotherhood.
Ummah and Muslim brotherhood will always exist. Muslims will always help their Muslim brothers in war.

 

[Foinikas]

They were totally unprepared.

And Izetbegovic knew it too back then. But he insisted on declaring independence.

Serbs had already dominated Yugoslavia and the rise of Serb ethno-nationalism under Milosovic broke the country. An ethnic group can not continue to dominate, imagine themselves as victims, & then hope for unity. The whole Balkan war was unfortunate, but it was basically due to Serb nationalism. It is pointless to argue & blame the victims.

Nationalism was on the rise in the entire Yugoslavia,just like in all other Eastern Bloc countries when communism fell.
It's only natural and logical to get sick of communism at some point and especially in a country with so many different ethnicities and religions that had a very bad past since WWII.

The Serbs,Montenegrins and some others who either identified as Yugoslavs or were of communists of other ethnicities,tried to keep the country together.

I take strong exception to your use of the illogical term "Jihadi crimes". Bosnians fought in self-defense. Which moral code allows for surrendering freedom & dignity in exchange of servility & bondage? Islam allows victims to fight in self-defense. A war of self-defense and freedom can only be called a struggle for freedom.

I'm not talking about self-defense and fighting for your people and freedom,I'm talking about the atrocities the volunteers and many of the Bosnian Muslims had commited against the Serbs and Croats.

You may blame the global Islamists (who joined the conflict late when all the population had already been affected) if they did cross certain red lines - there I would understand & denounce any crimes committed. But you can not throw terms around like this without understanding the context.

Yes,there were thousands of radicals who went there and caused a lot of trouble. There's videos of them abusing and executing POWs and photos of them with heads and bodies of Serb civilians. The Croats had captured some of them too and interrogated them on video.

Explained in the video here for example

And the Bosnian Muslim soldiers would often do the same,but the world media back then would mostly blame Serbs,while not reporting crimes against Serbs. Especially the American newspapers.

I strongly suggest that you watch these two documentaries: Yugoslavia the Avoidable War and Srebrenica A Town Betrayed.

Yugoslavia the Avoidable War is about 2 hours and 45 minutes but you can skip to the Bosnian War part if you want. The arguements,quotes and interviews from high-ranking people,reporters and investigators involved in the war back then,like Lord Owen and General Morillon,show that many of the massacres and attacks blamed on Serbs,were actually organized by Izetbegovic's government,even though some of his own ministers and generals disagreed on his methods.

Just watch them,even out of curiosity.

I'm not saying there were no crimes by Serbs. I'm just saying,Western propaganda made it look as if the Serbs are monsters and the only ones commiting atrocities.

Muslim brotherhood and the Ummah will always exist. Nationalists deny it.
Afghan-Soviet war, Bosnian genocide, Chechen war, Kashmiri uprising in 90s, Afghan-Nato war, Iraq war, Syrian revolution and many more wars mujahids from all over the world went to fight and help their Muslim brothers. It will always be like that. Unfortunately our own Muslim brothers label other Muslims as terrorists for answering the call to jihad and helping the oppressed. They call mujahideen terrorists then say there’s no ummah and no Muslim brotherhood.
Ummah and Muslim brotherhood will always exist. Muslims will always help their Muslim brothers in war.

Because most of those who go to help other muslims in such wars are either Salafis or radicals who constantly try to force their own version of islam and expand their influence on each place they go. They are not labeled as "terrorists",they are terrorists. They use brutal tactics and constantly try to expand Islam by force.

 

[Sayfullah]

Because most of those who go to help other muslims in such wars are either Salafis or radicals who constantly try to force their own version of islam and expand their influence on each place they go. They are not labeled as "terrorists",they are terrorists. They use brutal tactics and constantly try to expand Islam by force.

No. Mujahideen are from all sects.
The only terrorists are the ones invading and occupying countries and their supporters. Brutal tactics is b52 carpet bombing whole villages. The ones trying to expand are the ones who invade other countries if they don’t follow capitalism or “democracy”.
The real terrorists are the ones who travel thousands of miles to spread “democracy” onto foreign land and do it by carpet bombing whole villages. The mujahideen are those who resist such occupation.

 

[OIO]

And Izetbegovic knew it too back then. But he insisted on declaring independence.


Nationalism was on the rise in the entire Yugoslavia,just like in all other Eastern Bloc countries when communism fell.
It's only natural and logical to get sick of communism at some point and especially in a country with so many different ethnicities and religions that had a very bad past since WWII.

The Serbs,Montenegrins and some others who either identified as Yugoslavs or were of communists of other ethnicities,tried to keep the country together.


I'm not talking about self-defense and fighting for your people and freedom,I'm talking about the atrocities the volunteers and many of the Bosnian Muslims had commited against the Serbs and Croats.



Yes,there were thousands of radicals who went there and caused a lot of trouble. There's videos of them abusing and executing POWs and photos of them with heads and bodies of Serb civilians. The Croats had captured some of them too and interrogated them on video.

Explained in the video here for example

And the Bosnian Muslim soldiers would often do the same,but the world media back then would mostly blame Serbs,while not reporting crimes against Serbs. Especially the American newspapers.

I strongly suggest that you watch these two documentaries: Yugoslavia the Avoidable War and Srebrenica A Town Betrayed.

Yugoslavia the Avoidable War is about 2 hours and 45 minutes but you can skip to the Bosnian War part if you want. The arguements,quotes and interviews from high-ranking people,reporters and investigators involved in the war back then,like Lord Owen and General Morillon,show that many of the massacres and attacks blamed on Serbs,were actually organized by Izetbegovic's government,even though some of his own ministers and generals disagreed on his methods.

Just watch them,even out of curiosity.

I'm not saying there were no crimes by Serbs. I'm just saying,Western propaganda made it look as if the Serbs are monsters and the only ones commiting atrocities.


Because most of those who go to help other muslims in such wars are either Salafis or radicals who constantly try to force their own version of islam and expand their influence on each place they go. They are not labeled as "terrorists",they are terrorists. They use brutal tactics and constantly try to expand Islam by force.

The West has basically not reported the terrorist attacks of Uyghurs in China, and if they did, would describe Uyghur terrorists as heroes who resisted oppression by the Chinese government.

The West, especially the US and the UK, love Muslims if certain Muslims fit the geopolitical goals of the West. Religious and racial conflicts are easy to provoke. After the Xinjiang Uyghurs launched the 7.5 terrorist attack that killed a large number of Han people, the Han people demanded immediate revenge tonight instead of tomorrow. But the Chinese government suppressed revenge, so I kept saying that the Communist Party protected the Uyghurs, and the Han Chinese were very dissatisfied with the Chinese government.

 

[Foinikas]

No. Mujahideen are from all sects.
The only terrorists are the ones invading and occupying countries and their supporters. Brutal tactics is b52 carpet bombing whole villages. The ones trying to expand are the ones who invade other countries if they don’t follow capitalism or “democracy”.
The real terrorists are the ones who travel thousands of miles to spread “democracy” onto foreign land and do it by carpet bombing whole villages. The mujahideen are those who resist such occupation.

From all sects,but the majority are Salafi and radical Sunnis. Like the terrorists who commited all these atrocities against people in Chechnya,Dagestan and other places in Russia. Like the ones who terrorized Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,Nigeria and other places. They are criminals.

The West has basically not reported the terrorist attacks of Uyghurs in China, and if they did, would describe Uyghur terrorists as heroes who resisted oppression by the Chinese government.

Exactly. They don't show Uyghur attacks against Chinese police and people in American media. But you can find it on youtube sometimes.

 

[Elvin]

Foinikas - it is useless to discuss with you, despite official numbers you still claim Bosniaks committed atrocities against serbs and croats. Yes, there were isolated incidents, but they were not systematic. The bosnian serb army systematically killed, ethnically cleansed non-serbs form territories on which they wanted to create their etno state, the entire bosnian serb top generals and politicians are sitting in prison for it. There is a difference between the two yet you try to equalize them.

There is a difference between a few thousand and dozens of thousands civilians killed. It is almost as though, the serbs can kill, and if a bosniak fights back and kills them, the bosniaks are just as bad. What the what? Now, I know you don't believe this personally, however, it is so clear that you're biased and trying to push the serb agenda, no shame either.

I read above that Alija Izetbegovic declared independence even though the state was not ready, YES, sometimes war is not the worst thing, staying in "greater serbia" was the worst thing for us.

I always laugh when I see serbia meeting with muslim countries, especially Turkey, they appear so welcoming and nice, however if the serbs could they would kill all muslims and destroy their property and claim their history as their own.

 

[Elvin]

Look guys, at the end of the day the Bosniaks and Bosnian patriots got their country, the bosnian army was the only and official army in the country, the rest were separatist in nature. I say this because the bosnian army was the government army.

The bosnian army was multiethnic, there was a serb general Jovan Divljak who defended sarajevo, he was a Bosnian patriot. Also, Dragan Vikic a bosnian croat who led the special forces units. It is not black and white, it is not Muslim vs Christian. It is the state against separatists.

Fighting the HVO and VRS and the "babovci" which were muslims on the side of the serbs, it was only one town named velika kladusa, yes we fought them too. On top of that, we had an arms embargo from europe and the US, we had to smuggle weapons in, we had no large offensive weapons, only small arms. The entire army in 1992 had like 10 tanks lol.

The bosnian army fought three fronts with an arms embargo and did not give up, forced belgrade and zagreb to come to the table and sign the dayton peace accords which guaranteed bosnian statehood. I think that is a huge achievement, even though, the bosnian army fought mostly a defensive war, we still carried out a lot of missions and kept pressure on serbs across the 1,000 kilometre line stretching from Velika Kladusa to trebinje.

Sarajevo never surrendered, despite everything, the serbs simply could not step foot into the city everytime they tried they would get their asses handed to them. It is the truth, think what you want.

The conclusion - the west did not support bosnia as some think, obviously they tied our hands and prevented us from fighting back effectively, then they gave us the dayton peace accords which defacto legitimized the republika srpska and the ethnic cleansing and genocide that preluded the creation of srpska. On top of that we have a euopre that hates muslims.

Yet here we are, on the map and integrating our country more and more.

 

[PakFactor]

Foinikas - it is useless to discuss with you, despite official numbers you still claim Bosniaks committed atrocities against serbs and croats. Yes, there were isolated incidents, but they were not systematic. The bosnian serb army systematically killed, ethnically cleansed non-serbs form territories on which they wanted to create their etno state, the entire bosnian serb top generals and politicians are sitting in prison for it. There is a difference between the two yet you try to equalize them.

There is a difference between a few thousand and dozens of thousands civilians killed. It is almost as though, the serbs can kill, and if a bosniak fights back and kills them, the bosniaks are just as bad. What the what? Now, I know you don't believe this personally, however, it is so clear that you're biased and trying to push the serb agenda, no shame either.

I read above that Alija Izetbegovic declared independence even though the state was not ready, YES, sometimes war is not the worst thing, staying in "greater serbia" was the worst thing for us.

I always laugh when I see serbia meeting with muslim countries, especially Turkey, they appear so welcoming and nice, however if the serbs could they would kill all muslims and destroy their property and claim their history as their own.

How well equipped is Bosnia at the moment to defend itself if a conflict breaks out? Looking at the map it's a total mess the boundaries are Muslims this time around concentrated and fortify their positions have tanks, etc.

 

[Foinikas]

Foinikas - it is useless to discuss with you, despite official numbers you still claim Bosniaks committed atrocities against serbs and croats. Yes, there were isolated incidents, but they were not systematic. The bosnian serb army systematically killed, ethnically cleansed non-serbs form territories on which they wanted to create their etno state, the entire bosnian serb top generals and politicians are sitting in prison for it. There is a difference between the two yet you try to equalize them.

There is a difference between a few thousand and dozens of thousands civilians killed. It is almost as though, the serbs can kill, and if a bosniak fights back and kills them, the bosniaks are just as bad. What the what? Now, I know you don't believe this personally, however, it is so clear that you're biased and trying to push the serb agenda, no shame either.

I read above that Alija Izetbegovic declared independence even though the state was not ready, YES, sometimes war is not the worst thing, staying in "greater serbia" was the worst thing for us.

I always laugh when I see serbia meeting with muslim countries, especially Turkey, they appear so welcoming and nice, however if the serbs could they would kill all muslims and destroy their property and claim their history as their own.

We will not agree. This war was a massive propaganda victory for the West.

And you are extremely prejudiced against Serbs. You're a Bosnian Muslim,so I understand,of course you will consider them as monsters you are ready to "kill all muslims". The Serbs think the same about you and the Albanians.

 

[Elvin]

How well equipped is Bosnia at the moment to defend itself if a conflict breaks out? Looking at the map it's a total mess the boundaries are Muslims this time around concentrated and fortify their positions have tanks, etc.

Good question - so after the war the bosnian serb army (vrs) and croatian defence council (hvo) were disbanded and integrated into the Bosnian armed forces.

Today, we have the ministry of defence on the national level and the army on the national level (60% of the members in the army are bosniaks and or bosnian patriots). This means, that bosnian serbs do not have an army anymore, it was disbanded. If they try to build one it will go against our laws and we will used our state army to crush it. All in all, the bosnian army is a small force of 10,000 professional soldiers, but the main thing is that we have this institution, within 6 months we can expand it to 100,000 soldiers easy.

In terms of equipment, we have artillery, tanks, apcs, helicopters, anti tank weapons, anti air defences, etc. no airforce and nothing fancy, but still a lot more than we had in 1992. On top of that, there are numerous police agencies that are semi-military with their own helicopters, weaponry etc. So we have the instituations and the weapons to fight the bosnian serbs easy, the only concern is serbia which may invade, or croatia (NATO) who may do something too.

We will not agree. This war was a massive propaganda victory for the West.

And you are extremely prejudiced against Serbs. You're a Bosnian Muslim,so I understand,of course you will consider them as monsters you are ready to "kill all muslims". The Serbs think the same about you and the Albanians.

I was in the war, I know who did what, my unit protected the orthodox church in sarajevo during the war, while the serbs were burning 500 year old mosques. There is a difference.

in sarajevo 1,700 children were killed by snipers and artillery, did the Bosnian army do this to serb towns? NO.

Did the Bosnian army kill serbs and put them into mass graves all over? NO, they are still finding mass graves of bosniaks killed, women, kids, pregnant women, etc.

You're a jok trying to equalize and justify. ALSO, yes the WEST will support Bosnian muslims LOL, France vetoed foreign intervention in bosnia over 30 times during the war.

Get real.

 

[Elvin]

I wish we can get along, I have serb friends and croat friends and we are all the same around one thing, NO MORE WAR. We were all tricked into it by a handful of politicians and today, I doubt my fellow bosnian serbs and croats would want to fight, because last time they fought they received nothing. Serbs in bosnia and the veterans of the VRS live under the poverty lines, is this what they fought for? Milorad dodik and his family have 100s of millions in banks all over the world, and now the same milorad dodik wants to drag whats left of the bosnian serb youth back into a conflict they will most likely lose.

Bosnia for all, all for Bosnia, no matter what your religion is or ethnicity, you're welcome. There is room for everyone, serbs have their regions croats theirs and bosniaks theirs, we can live comfortable, what more does anyone want? This is why I say this stuff gets cooked up in belgrade, Serbians have and will always use Bosnian Serbs as cannon fodder, this is sad.

 

[Foinikas]

Look guys, at the end of the day the Bosniaks and Bosnian patriots got their country, the bosnian army was the only and official army in the country, the rest were separatist in nature. I say this because the bosnian army was the government army.

You were seperatists too. You left the federation.

The bosnian army was multiethnic, there was a serb general Jovan Divljak who defended sarajevo, he was a Bosnian patriot. Also, Dragan Vikic a bosnian croat who led the special forces units. It is not black and white, it is not Muslim vs Christian. It is the state against separatists.

Yes but the vast majority of the ArBiH were Muslims.

Fighting the HVO and VRS and the "babovci" which were muslims on the side of the serbs, it was only one town named velika kladusa, yes we fought them too. On top of that, we had an arms embargo from europe and the US, we had to smuggle weapons in, we had no large offensive weapons, only small arms. The entire army in 1992 had like 10 tanks lol.

At first you had few heavy weapons. Then you started capturing some weapons from the enemy and then you started getting more and more in the black market and from American drops.

The bosnian army fought three fronts with an arms embargo and did not give up, forced belgrade and zagreb to come to the table and sign the dayton peace accords which guaranteed bosnian statehood. I think that is a huge achievement, even though, the bosnian army fought mostly a defensive war, we still carried out a lot of missions and kept pressure on serbs across the 1,000 kilometre line stretching from Velika Kladusa to trebinje.

You only own because you eventually formed an alliance with the HVO,the Americans started bombing the Serbs,turned public opinion against them and the RSK had already collapsed and surrendered or fled. Velika Kladusa was never a serious threat without Serbian support from the RSK and VRS. They were just a few badly equipped militiamen.

Come on.

Sarajevo never surrendered, despite everything, the serbs simply could not step foot into the city everytime they tried they would get their asses handed to them. It is the truth, think what you want.

That is true and it was a heroic defense. What's interesting is that the Serbs had more heavy equipment and the high ground outside the city and Grbavica,but the ArBiH had more men inside the city. So basically the Serbs couldn't get in and the ArBiH couldn't get out.

The conclusion - the west did not support bosnia as some think, obviously they tied our hands and prevented us from fighting back effectively, then they gave us the dayton peace accords which defacto legitimized the republika srpska and the ethnic cleansing and genocide that preluded the creation of srpska. On top of that we have a euopre that hates muslims.

I strongly disagree with that. All of it. You own thanks to American and Western European support,there was no organized genocide and all the bullshit American newspapers and politicians started using to make the Serbs look bad and Europe does not hate muslims,if anything look at how many governments have taken in muslim refugees and immigrants.

 

[Elvin]

You were seperatists too. You left the federation.

Yes, Bosnia left Yugoslavia as a republic after everyone else did, and received international recognition. Srpska didn't exist until 1995 when it was legitimized in the peace accord. Also, in Bosnia 70% of residents are non serbs, in Yugoslavia serbs made up 39%-40%, therefore, in YU a minorit tried to keep a majority, in Bosnia a majority tried to keep a minority. In democracy this is everything.

Yes but the vast majority of the ArBiH were Muslims.


At first you had few heavy weapons. Then you started capturing some weapons from the enemy and then you started getting more and more in the black market and from American drops.

Yes we took weapons from serbs and croats, and smuggled yes, and it wasn't until 1995 that we had enough to start large offensive missions, and when we did we took back town after town, and of course NATO stopped the war right away.

You only own because you eventually formed an alliance with the HVO,the Americans started bombing the Serbs,turned public opinion against them and the RSK had already collapsed and surrendered or fled. Velika Kladusa was never a serious threat without Serbian support from the RSK and VRS. They were just a few badly equipped militiamen.

The washington agreement of 1993 created a federation between the ARBIH and HVO, I see this as a ARBIH victory because HVO wanted to create their separatist state too named "Herceg-Bosna," but failed, and intead, signed an agreement that does not recognize their entity, and they also agreed to work together with the government forces (ARBIH).

Come on.


That is true and it was a heroic defense. What's interesting is that the Serbs had more heavy equipment and the high ground outside the city and Grbavica,but the ArBiH had more men inside the city. So basically the Serbs couldn't get in and the ArBiH couldn't get out.

Yes, the serbs were dug in, it was like shooting fish in a bucket, we had no were to go, but you would think by having strategic high points, heavy weaponry and enough men you could take a city, but 3.5 years they failed. The Bosnian army actually took the fight out of the city successfully where a lot of battles were fought in the mountains around the city as opposed in the city. I think this was genius.

I strongly disagree with that. All of it. You own thanks to American and Western European support,there was no organized genocide and all the bullshit American newspapers and politicians started using to make the Serbs look bad and Europe does not hate muslims,if anything look at how many governments have taken in muslim refugees and immigrants.

The west tried to sit on two chairs, they did not support bosnia as they should and have an obligation to, trust me, if the tables were turned the other way, and the muslims tried to create a muslim entity, the west would have stopped the war in 1993. Instead they turned their heads hoping Sarajevo would give up, but since that did not happen, they intervened when the Bosnian army started winning. At the same time, they legitimized srpska.

The most important of this is your last statement, yes the west took in many Bosniaks, but they did this to disperse our people all over the world. One of the good things Izetbegovic did was that he signed an agreement with Germany in 1996 to have all bosniaks return, if he did not do that 1 million bosniaks would have stayed in germany, and other places. What good is a country if you don't have the people?

out of 1.2 mil Bosniak refugees half returned, the other half stayed all over the world.