Bomb Blast in Crowded Daata Darbar (Shrine), Lahore

[alibaz]

Looks like ur surprised?

According to her... Holy Quran was WRITTEN by SOME ARABS after Hazrat Muhammad SAWs demise.

Sharia laws r barbaric... etc etc

Stop this BS.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

LOL even the dumbest of missionaries dont usualy go that far , but anyways, does she think that santa clause is a real person and got stuck in some chimney due to being overweight to? lol

The Koran was written after Mohammed died, you do have a computer do search on the History of the Koran, then later a offical version was adopted and all the other versions were destroyed. A few have survived.

History of Quran: The origin and development of the Quran began with prophet Muhammad's PBUH receiving divine revelations in 610. Most of these revelations were either memorised or obscurely written down during the lifetime of Muhammad. These revelations were subsequently collected and were standardised in today's version by the caliph Uthman c. 653/654. Mohammed died in 634 so the Quran was written about 20 years after Mohammed died and about 40 years after he talked to that angle.

 

[sparklingway]

No more religious discussion. I can't clean the previous pages, that is too much work. I'll delete any further religious comments and inflammations will result in suspensions.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The Koran was written after Mohammed died, you do have a computer do search on the History of the Koran, then later a offical version was adopted and all the other versions were destroyed. A few have survived.

History of Quran: The origin and development of the Quran began with prophet Muhammad's PBUH receiving divine revelations in 610. Most of these revelations were either memorised or obscurely written down during the lifetime of Muhammad. These revelations were subsequently collected and were standardised in today's version by the caliph Uthman c. 653/654. Mohammed died in 634 so the Quran was written about 20 years after Mohammed died and about 40 years after he talked to that angle.

Quran was memorised word by word by people in Prophet's time while he was alive , and he insured that its order and format was 100% correct , in his last address to people he stated his work here is done .....

The people moved the memorized text , and same format into text form as during that time initially people were more inclined to memorize the whole Quran - but its great that it was converted to text form in book.

So there is 1 quaran , and 1 text no testaments version 1 version 2 version 3 version 4 , the director's cut

Becasue there were so many ppl who had memorized quaran while Prophet was alive , it ensured that the quaran was safe - after Prophet's death it was important to preserve it specially since due to war alot of people who had memorized it had died and there was danger that what if all the people who had memorised quran had died due to war , so it was written and preserved in text format

The oldest of text for quran matches the current day quran copies

(Apologies to mod , I had written a reply same time as your post)** will not add to this post

 

[mehru]

Search for soul

Perhaps the only faintest ray of hope one can find in the aftermath of the Data Darbar tragedy is the near-universal condemnation of the attack. Major political parties and civil society groups have always been in the forefront when it comes to remonstration against suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism. But the silence in all this of many religio-political parties has often been deafening, so much so that it has led to speculation that they might tacitly approve of such tactics.

This time round, however, it seems that the affront was much too monstrous to stomach for even those who might share certain ideological links with the insurgents whose mission it is to destabilise Pakistan. The Data Darbar massacre has been condemned by people who do not approve of drone attacks or Pakistan’s partnership with the US in the fight against Taliban-inspired militancy. This is significant in a country as conservative as Pakistan, a land where the opinion of the religious right can mentor public thought. When a leading religious figure says that suicide bombings are unacceptable in Islam — without any qualifiers — we might be taking a step in the right direction. Mindsets have to change here and our religious scholars should go even further to stress that no person or community is ‘worthy of death’ simply because their beliefs differ from those who cannot tolerate divergence of opinion.

This may be the time for our religio-political parties to ponder a key point, a defining moment as it were. The insurgents operating under the umbrella of the Taliban — it doesn’t matter if they are Punjabis or from the northwest frontier — are looking to dismantle a belief system. Their target is not just people of liberal bent or the vast majority that abides by the motto of live and let live. Ultimately they wish to unravel the fabric of society and disempower all those who stand by democratic values. And that group includes the religious parties who contest elections and attempt to contribute to social welfare. The battle lines have been drawn and should be unmistakable to anyone with foresight and a grasp of the reality on the ground.

Equally important is the acknowledgment that the enemy lies within. Pointing to ‘hidden hands’ or foreign forces bent on creating havoc in Pakistan may be convenient for officialdom but does not address root causes. Let there be no doubt: the problem is homegrown. Also, let’s move beyond the myth that ‘terrorists have no religion’. If anything, in our context suicide bombers have been brainwashed into believing that they are more devout than the peaceful majority.

DAWN.COM | Editorial | Search for soul

 

[alibaz]

The Koran was written after Mohammed died, you do have a computer do search on the History of the Koran, then later a offical version was adopted and all the other versions were destroyed. A few have survived.

History of Quran: The origin and development of the Quran began with prophet Muhammad's PBUH receiving divine revelations in 610. Most of these revelations were either memorised or obscurely written down during the lifetime of Muhammad. These revelations were subsequently collected and were standardised in today's version by the caliph Uthman c. 653/654. Mohammed died in 634 so the Quran was written about 20 years after Mohammed died and about 40 years after he talked to that angle.

Captain this is the question which is one of the popular questions of Christian missionaries and they have been responded by Muslim scholars in befitting manner. This is not the place or forum to discuss such things. However for your information once the Quran was published, the time you are referring to, there were thousands of Muslims who remembered Quran by heart and today are millions. The purpose of that publication wast was to make script so written that it could be read by non Arabs too. So brother don't worry about its correctness it perfectly in same words as it was revealed by Al Mighty Allah.

 

[T-Faz]

Police arrest suspects near Data Darbar

July 04, 2010

At least six suspects have been arrested from the vicinity of Data Darbar in Lahore during a police search operation.

An Afghan national is among the suspects, who was arrested with a pistol in his possession.

The search operation was launched after reports of firing in the area.

According to sources, police conducted a search operation after reports of suspects being present inside a house on Mela Ram Street near the shrine. According to witnesses the police recovered a huge arms cache from the suspects, who have been shifted to an unknown place.

Where are the Afghan Taliban supporters now. Kugga, you still support those guys. I told you in the morning that the Taliban is starting to import guys for attacks. This should remove all doubt in your mind that this is not our war.

 

[Musafar]

Duuuuuuuuuude, there was a guy brandishing an assault rifle earlier (pic has been posted) and pistols to boot.

Pinning the whole bombing by connecting it to a lonesome Afghan carrying a pistol is no big deal and we shouldn't make a meal out of it. If anything, he's probably carrying it out of fear of rent-a-mobs.

 

[T-Faz]

Did you read this article or did you just want to write gibberish, this afghani was not lone, he was with others and they had a cache of weapons. These people getting caught is only reported when it is certain that they were involved. Otherwise many are picked up.

Taliban aplologists would descend on this now.

 

[Parashuram1]

This is very tragic. I wonder why is this now becoming an intra-religious violence? This madness of militancy has gone beyond any justification. My sincere condolences to all Pakistani members here and the families of the victims who died at the hands of these savage militants.

 

[Musafar]

Excuse my skepticism of these AMAZING operations that yield massive finds *AFTER* continued colossal security failures, 'cos they really do make me wonder. You'd think someone was trying to to put their skates on after being caught dozing on the job.

It's only cause i remember quite vividly 200+ Afghan /Pashtun Shopkeers having their shops torched by mobs in Karachi a few months back after the ashura bombings which had nothing to do with the Pashtuns/Afghans from Karachi but they took the brunt of it. It's so easy to castigate on a group of innocent people for your own failings.

Like I said before, if the most incriminating evidence they can find is an Afghan with a pistol to wheel out in front of the cameras then excuse my abject cynicism as I've just seen a crowd of scarf-covered, pistol-totting religious hotheads on the other side vying for revenge accompanied by someone with an assault rifle in broad daylight.

so yah, smoke that one, bro.

 

[T-Faz]

Excuse my skepticism of these AMAZING operations that yield massive finds *AFTER* continued collosal security failures. You'd think someone was trying to make up for something...

It's only cause i remember all to quickly of 200+ Afghan /Pashtun Shopkeers having their shops attacked by mobs in Karachi a few months back after the ashura bombings which had nothing to so with the Pashtuns/Afghans from Karachi but they took the brunt of it. It's so easy to castigate on a group of innocent people for your own failings.

Our security forces are inept but once an attack occurs, other more competent agencies collaborate to bring in the perpetrators. When it is reported, it usually indicates that the correct suspects have been caught from the many within a few days time.

As for the 200 shops burning, it wasn't just Pashtun, it included shops of all people. I am half Pashtun too and I know nothing of what you said. The shops burned belonged to Pakistani's of all ethnic backgrounds and the whole incident was planned by some unruly group(s) to cause damage to Pakistan.

I do not know why you are making this an ethnic thing. Is religious difference not enough for you at the moment.

 

[Bhim]

Excuse me for jumping every now and then into a very domestic problem, but this time I just wanted to compliment the brave member 'EMO GIRL'
I am sure in real life also she is just as righteous and bold.

Also thank you for a line quoted by moderator 'T-Faz', about Quran showing tolerance to all religions.

 

[sparklingway]

Malik promises strict law against terrorism
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Monday, July 05, 2010

ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: A strict law will be enacted to curb terrorism in the country, Interior Minister A Rehman Malik told the Ulema from different schools of thought in an exclusive meeting on Sunday. The meeting was called by the minister.

The Ulema vowed to join hands with the government for foiling terrorist attempts, promoting sectarian harmony and making efforts for curbing display of arms at public places.They also decided to observe a special day against terrorism to show solidarity among their ranks.

In a joint press briefing after the meeting, Rehman Malik said a successful operation in the Malakand division, and a continuing offensive in South Waziristan had frustrated the terrorists, who were desperately trying to undermine peace in the country.

He said the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz Quaid Nawaz Sharif had proposed a ‘Control Strategy’ to eliminate terrorism, adding that he welcomed it. “We will work with the Punjab government to get rid of hatred and extremism and continue the fight till restoration of complete peace,” he added.

The minister also urged the media to boycott those religious segments that supported extremism and promoted hatred in the society. “It will give a clear-cut message to the anti-state elements,” he added.

Malik also referred to a meeting summoned by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani today (on Monday), to discuss a strategy with all stakeholders, including politicians, intelligence chiefs and top officials of security forces for capacity building and controlling the menace of terrorism in the country.

The Ulema demanded stern action against the banned outfits involved in religious terrorism. “The nation should boycott those who are igniting sectarianism,” Malik urged. “We want to give books in the hands of the new generation instead of suicide jackets,” the minister said.

At the end of the briefing, Ulema read out resolutions passed during the meeting and reiterated the Fatwa, earlier made through consensus of 43 Ulema. The Fatwa declared suicide attacks an anti-Islamic act. “Whosoever kills a Muslim has nothing to do with the religion and Islam,” they remarked unanimously.

Maulana Abu Bakar Sadiq, Maulana Muhammad Asad Thanwi, Maulana Abdul Jaleel Naqvi, Mufti Muhammad Usman, Nazir Farooqi, Zahoor Alvi, Maulana Mahmoodul Hassan, Maulana Bashir Ahmad, Asad Alam Naqvi, Maulana Naeem Shehzada, Maulana Aneesul Hasnain, Qazi Muhammad Zahoor, Hafiz Ishaq Zafar, Farhat Hussain Shah, Maulana Akhtar Abbas, Syed Izhar Bukhari and other representatives of different schools of thought participated in the meeting. -Agencies

Our correspondent adds: Minhajul Quran Chairman Dr Tahirul Qadri said on Sunday that those protecting the terrorists were present in parliament and the media should hold them accountable. He said parliament had completely failed and it was responsible for the mess the country was facing while the media was setting the agenda which was, otherwise, the role of parliament.

He was delivering a telephonic address during the concluding session of Majlis-e-Shura of Minhajul Quran International here on Sunday.

Tahirul Qadri demanded the establishment of a commission against terrorism under the leadership of the chief justice and urged the media to raise its voice against the system, which was protecting corruption. He regretted that there was no shortage of so-called religious scholars who justified the actions of terrorists. He said it was also the responsibility of the media to expose the supporters, financers and sympathisers of terrorists and extremists.

Qadri said parliament should meet for 14 days to legislate on terrorism for its elimination. He said it was common knowledge who were backers and intellectual suppliers of terrorism. He demanded that the source of support and supply of arms and ammunition to terrorists should be unearthed. He also inquired about the outcome of the investigation into scores of incidents of terrorism, saying that the invisible hands should be exposed.

Dr Qadri criticised the role of parliamentarians, saying that MNAs and MPAs knew everything about terrorists in their constituencies but were maintaining a criminal silence. He blasted the inaction of parliament and said that the country was being turned into Somalia, Ethiopia and Afghanistan, adding that the politicians had neglected the national interest for their petty interests. He said the monster of terrorism had destroyed the country and places such as markets, bazaars and shrines were not safe from terrorists.

He said corruption of politicians paved the way for military takeover. He said General (retd) Musharraf compromised the national honour, security and interests and turned the country into a colony.

Govt may tighten anti-terror laws
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By Zia Khan
July 05, 2010


More powers to be given to intel agencies and LEAs
ISLAMABAD: The government has hinted at a further tightening of anti-terror laws and the ceding of more power to intelligence and law enforcement agencies. The decision comes ahead of a crucial meeting to hammer out new strategy for combating a fresh wave of urban militancy.

“We will update laws to put more effective controls on banned sectarian outfits,” a top official said as Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani prepares to chair a high-level inter-provincial meeting on law and order today (Monday).

The meeting comes in the wake of twin suicide blasts at Data Darbar in Lahore on Thursday night that killed more than 40 devotees and injured close to 200.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik told the media on Sunday evening that the government would “plug loopholes” in existing laws dealing with terrorism. However, he did not give any details.

The Anti-terrorism Act was introduced in 1997 and was updated once after the current government took over two-and-a-half-years ago. Security experts say new dimensions of the militancy necessitate a further tweaking of the legislation.

Agenda

All four chief ministers, provincial home ministers, chief secretaries, heads of police and intelligence outfits are scheduled to gather at Gilani’s secretariat for a day-long brainstorming session. Officials at the secretariat expect Malik and the intelligence chiefs to brief the participants.

Officials say a proposal to establish a new authority to coordinate between various intelligence and law enforcement agencies will come under discussion at the meeting. The proposed body is to act as a bridge between the federal and provincial agencies. “The main objective of such a body will be to make sure that law enforcers like the police, the Frontier Constabulary and Rangers respond swiftly to tips from intelligence outfits,” explains one official.

Of late, there have been complaints by federal authorities – including the interior minister himself – that provincial home departments often ignore intelligence reports. On the other hand, after the Data Darbar attack, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif accused Malik of trying to block the flow of intelligence from the center to the provincial authorities. Malik, however, denied the charge.

“The new authority is being designed to avoid such issues,” says the official, who expects the composition of the body to be deliberated at the meeting.

Further, the schedule for a national conference of country’s political leadership to discuss ways of combating terrorism will be decided in the Monday meeting. Gilani announced the conference last week after a suggestion by PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif. Officials say religious scholars from different schools of thought, the top brass of the military and civilian intelligence agencies as well as members of a parliamentary committee on the national security will be invited to the conference.

Punjab govt mulls over situation

Meanwhile, in Lahore on Sunday evening, former premier Nawaz Sharif met senior leaders of his party to determine a future course of action for the Punjab government. The days since the Lahore attacks have seen elements within the federal and the Punjab government hurling accusations and counter allegations at each other.

There have been calls from across the country that the provincial authorities must agree to suggestions for launching a crackdown on sectarian outfits said to be based in particularly southern Punjab.

However, the Punjab government is still denying the existence of “Punjabi militants” and has snubbed a demand for a crackdown on banned sectarian outfits that intelligence agencies say are now in collaboration with al Qaeda as well as the local Taliban.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 5th, 2010.

 

[Ahmad]

People in Afghanstan or else where could oppose the USA or the Afghanstan Goverment an as long as they did not deliberatly kill civilians or innocent people I would not consider them terrorist.

terrorism
is the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

The use of drones to kill terrorist is not going to stop. If they are going to blow up a shrine in pakistan ever time a drone takes out a terrorist Pakistan is in for a rought time.

why do you say all this to me?