Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter

[solid snake]

Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet​

Jan 30, 2008
David A. Fulghum/Aerospace Daily & Defense Report

Boeing is touting an even newer version of its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet that, paired with an advanced sixth-generation fighter in the works at the company, would give customers what Boeing deems a better package of capabilities than Lockheed Martin's combination of the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The idea is that customers could buy 4.5 generation Super Hornets (perhaps 4.75 generation with the planned extra forward stealth and extra range of Block 3 aircraft) and then switch to a new, sixth generation faster than if they bought the fifth generation Joint Strike Fighter. To be available circa 2024, the sixth generation aircraft would feature a combat radius of more than 1,000 miles and stealth against a much wider spectrum of radars.

"The [Navy] C-version of the F-35 doesn't buy you a lot that the Super Hornet doesn't provide," says Bob Gower, Boeing's vice president for F/A-18 and EA-18G programs. "Our strategy is to create a compelling reason for the services to go to the next [sixth] generation platform. How do you bridge F/A-18E/F to get us there? We want to convince customers to stay with [Super Hornet] a few years longer -- by adding advanced capabilities and lowering price -- so that they can get to the sixth generation faster. If you go to JSF first, it's going to be a long time."

Another part of Boeing's argument is that the "Navy is comfortable with the Super Hornet against the highest [enemy] threat through 2024, with the [improved] capabilities we have in the flight plan," Gower says. "The ability to counter the threat gets you to about the point that [Boeing's] sixth generation is available."

It's part of Boeing's counterattack on Lockheed Martin's claim that the decreasing price of the F-22, which is now at $140 million each, will make it so attractive that Australia may reconsider its buy -- already being paid for -- of 24 two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornets. Until Australia's recent change in government, a number of U.S. officials said the government was considering a second lot of 24 Super Hornets and a six-plane squadron of EA-18G Growlers.

Boeing makes the argument that a sliding in-service date for the JSF is worrying both the Australians and the U.S. military.

"The U.S. Air Force and Navy are now talking a lot more about where they need to go with sixth generation to get beyond JSF," Gower says. "It could be unmanned, but I think you will see a combination of missions -- some manned, some unmanned."

For Boeing, the real discriminators are going to be extended range (1,000-1,500 miles), a small radar signature against low-frequency radars, expanded awareness through connections with the network, and the ability to carry a number of bombs internally.

Photo: U.S. Defense Dept.

Aviation Week : Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet





A sixth-generation plane would mean the premature death of the F-22 and F-35. All this money spent will be for nothing. It is also amazing to note the speed with which this country's technological community moves forward. This country does not stand still for a day

 

[mujahideen]

A sixth-generation plane would mean the premature death of the F-22 and F-35. All this money spent will be for nothing. It is also amazing to note the speed with which this country's technological community moves forward. This country does not stand still for a day

This is a good thing that they never sit still, I mean good for them. I think we should be the same way, just because say we build the JF-17 doesn't mean that we should sit down, instead we should work to advance it. One reason the U.S. is a superpower is that it constantly improves itself.

 

[ahussains]

Yup this is called the technological superiority you contiune doing new things and as on our part we also have come from a long way, We first start to rebuild F6 then Mirage III then F-7 then Mirage V's Comes after that A-5 and then F-16 Engine Over Halling starts We also built new Jet trainers for our need and know at the time we are Manufacturing JF17 so its just started it will be go to a long way

 

[MastanKhan]

Ahussain,

Here is a problem---we know about JF 17---before it came out--all about it---with the U S of A the problem is that we find about the product 30 years later at the time of its retirement---and when we look at the retd equipment, we are shocked to find out that it is still more advanced than anything else on the street.

Let us start by doing a little bit research work at our universities.

 

[MOSABJA]

I have seen its documentary on NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.


Apart from being stealth,fast and vertical take off

The most astonishing feature is the EXTREMELY SHARP TURNS

I saw the test flight of this plane. It took curves and moved around its axis like an helicopter.Its movement is just like that of a fly.

 

[su-47]

I have seen its documentary on NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.


Apart from being stealth,fast and vertical take off

The most astonishing feature is the EXTREMELY SHARP TURNS

I saw the test flight of this plane. It took curves and moved around its axis like an helicopter.Its movement is just like that of a fly.

then it'll be a UCAV. humans cant take the amount of Gs produced when a plane turns sharply at a high speed.

 

[araz]

then it'll be a UCAV. humans cant take the amount of Gs produced when a plane turns sharply at a high speed.

SU 47
You took the words out of my mouth.There is a limit that the human body can endure and that is 9 Gs. any higher and you pass out. However, i think it is not just about quicker turns, but the avionics, active radar cancellation, internal Bomb bays, and better quality radars etc. The question still remains that you may want it but will they give it to you?I agree with Mastans view that we should start our own research and work on our own ideas rather than importing them, ie being technologically dependant. Beg borrow and steal what you can and build on it.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[su-47]

SU 47
You took the words out of my mouth.There is a limit that the human body can endure and that is 9 Gs. any higher and you pass out. However, i think it is not just about quicker turns, but the avionics, active radar cancellation, internal Bomb bays, and better quality radars etc. The question still remains that you may want it but will they give it to you?I agree with Mastans view that we should start our own research and work on our own ideas rather than importing them, ie being technologically dependant. Beg borrow and steal what you can and build on it.
WaSalam
Araz

of course they wont give it to us. they dont even give away the raptor!

the problem is that no country in the world today has the expertise or resources to build a 6th gen fighter, except USA. Russia, China and India all have 5th gen projects, the latter two which are still in their early stages. of these projects, the PAKFA is the one most likely to come out the earliest. the PAKFA will probably be inducted into the IAF and Russian Airforce around 2011, if there are no delays. after induction, it'll still have to undergo many modifications and tweaks before it is truly ready. compare that to the raptor, which has already been flying around for years.

In short, USA has the experience and resources reequired. the only way the other countries can catch up in the short run is to hack into their system and steal the blueprints.

 

[KENT]

of course they wont give it to us. they dont even give away the raptor!

the problem is that no country in the world today has the expertise or resources to build a 6th gen fighter, except USA. Russia, China and India all have 5th gen projects, the latter two which are still in their early stages. of these projects, the PAKFA is the one most likely to come out the earliest. the PAKFA will probably be inducted into the IAF and Russian Airforce around 2011, if there are no delays. after induction, it'll still have to undergo many modifications and tweaks before it is truly ready. compare that to the raptor, which has already been flying around for years.

In short, USA has the experience and resources reequired. the only way the other countries can catch up in the short run is to hack into their system and steal the blueprints.

PAKFA flying inducted in 2011 in IAF and Russian Airforce would be be called as miracle, since it is very unlikely induction period.

 

[solid snake]

In short, USA has the experience and resources reequired. the only way the other countries can catch up in the short run is to hack into their system and steal the blueprints.

China already succeded in doing that!

Nation & World | China's hacking skills in spotlight | Seattle Times Newspaper

Perhaps they did not get their hands on the Raptor blueprints, but we cannot be certain that the US government isn't trying to save face. China wants to be the cyberwarfare leader and take over the internet from the US.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

of course they wont give it to us. they dont even give away the raptor!

the problem is that no country in the world today has the expertise or resources to build a 6th gen fighter, except USA. Russia, China and India all have 5th gen projects, the latter two which are still in their early stages. of these projects, the PAKFA is the one most likely to come out the earliest. the PAKFA will probably be inducted into the IAF and Russian Airforce around 2011, if there are no delays. after induction, it'll still have to undergo many modifications and tweaks before it is truly ready. compare that to the raptor, which has already been flying around for years.

In short, USA has the experience and resources reequired. the only way the other countries can catch up in the short run is to hack into their system and steal the blueprints.

Only Russia and China have 5th generation projects. India can't even build proper 4th generation fighter. PAKFA prototype is at least decade away so stop dreaming about IAF having it in 2011.