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NEW YORK: Boeing provided a fresh batch of incriminating documents on the 737 MAX to regulators and congressional investigators, only hours after announcing a leadership shakeup, officials confirmed on Tuesday (Dec 24).

The document dump came just before Christmas, when many officials already are on holiday, and "appear to point to a very disturbing picture" about Boeing's response to safety issues regarding the 737 MAX, a congressional aide said.

The aide said Boeing sent the documents "late in the evening" Monday to congressional staff investigating the issues with the aircraft, which has been grounded since March following two crashes that killed 346 people.

The aerospace giant has faced scrutiny over its decision to keep flying the plane after the first crash and to brush off safety concerns of some employees, and over whether it sacrificed safety in the race to develop a plane to compete with an Airbus jet.

US regulators also have been criticized for a too-cozy relationship with the company it is charged with overseeing.

The Federal Aviation Administration confirmed it received what appear to be the same documents Monday afternoon, a few hours after Boeing ousted Dennis Muilenburg as chief executive amid his much-criticized handling of MAX crisis.

Boeing said it "proactively" contacted the FAA and Congress "as part of our commitment to transparency," a company spokesman said in email.

"As with prior documents referenced by the committee, the tone and content of some of these communications does not reflect the company we are and need to be."

The spokesman also highlighted changes Boeing has made "in the past nine months to enhance our safety processes, organization and culture."

That references the period after the Ethiopian Airlines crash in March. The first 737 MAX crash of a Lion Air flight in Indonesia happened five months earlier.

The latest revelations make it clear that despite shaking up its leadership, Boeing will continue to face questions well into 2020 over the actions that led to the crashes as it tries to win approval to return the MAX to service and to restore its damaged reputation.

REBUKED EARLIER ON TRANSPARENCY

The document dump - which surfaced on a normally tranquil Christmas Eve - came hours after Boeing announced it was replacing Muilenburg with Chairman David Calhoun, saying the company needed to "restore confidence" and "repair relationships with regulators, customers and all other stakeholders."

FAA Chief Steve Dickson ripped Boeing in October after the company only provided the agency with revealing documents months after unearthing the records.

In one text message exchange that surfaced in those documents, a Boeing pilot described a problem on a simulator with a flight handling system that has been implicated in both crashes.

The aide with the House Transportation Committee declined to release the latest papers on Tuesday and said committee staff were still reviewing the documents.

"The records appear to point to a very disturbing picture of both concerns expressed by Boeing employees about the company's commitment to safety and efforts by some employees to ensure Boeing's production plans were not diverted by regulators or others," the aide said in an email.

The panel is led by Democratic Representative Peter DeFazio, who grilled Boeing executives at an October hearing at which some lawmakers called for Muilenburg to resign.

DeFazio on Monday called Muilenburg's ouster "long overdue," and said the company "made a number of devastating decisions that suggest profit took priority over safety."

MIXED RESPONSE ON CEO

The CEO shakeup at the company drew muted response on Tuesday from Wall Street analysts, a bombshell that came only days after the company took the monumental step of halting production on the 737 MAX and a day after it suffered a setback on a high-profile NASA mission.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch said it had "mixed feelings" in light of Calhoun's lengthy tenure on the Boeing board.

"We wonder if appointing from within, especially an insider that has been with the company for 10 years, signals more of the same from Boeing vs an outside appointee who may have offered more of a change of pace and culture," the bank said in a commentary.

JPMorgan Chase said Muilenburg had struggled as a public voice for Boeing in response to the tragedies and in communication with regulators and customers.

"We expect David Calhoun to do better on both scores. This is something," JPMorgan said in an analysis.

"But Boeing's failures on the MAX are more than poor communication so it will be important for Mr. Calhoun to show early how he intends to act differently.

"This is particularly important since he has been a director since 2009 and therefore part of this situation from the start, even if in an oversight role."

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prime opportunity for Russian and Chinese commercial aviation to take the market share from Boeing.. i forsee duoply in commercial travrl changing to 4 to 5 players in next 10 to 15 years
 
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prime opportunity for Russian and Chinese commercial aviation to take the market share from Boeing.. i forsee duoply in commercial travrl changing to 4 to 5 players in next 10 to 15 years
American product is top class or safety priority are all BS. You paid for a gold but got dust instead..

I rather pay little for a China product. At least I would not get scam and my lost are little.


FAA is another BS organisation. Prioritize profit and network over standard and safety. Getting FAA for your passenger plane depends on how much you paid them and not how top class your passenger plane is.

CAA has more standard than FAA.
 
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prime opportunity for Russian and Chinese commercial aviation to take the market share from Boeing.. i forsee duoply in commercial travrl changing to 4 to 5 players in next 10 to 15 years

Sadly, this probably don't even dent Boeing share of the market.

First of all, this is not a big issue, even with this, if i remember correctly, there are not much cancellation of Boeing 737 MAX (I think it's about 70 cancelling) Boeing 737 have been in worse situation after the rudder hard-over fault happened in 1990s, when 4 of the Boeing 737 crashed and leading to global grounding of all Boeing 737. The problem is, traveller need to get on a plane because it needed to get on a plane, which mean it doesn't matter which aircraft the airline use, you would still get on a plane because you need to go somewhere. Ask yourself this. If you have to go to an international destination, would you really refused to get on board if that flight was flew using a Boeing?

Problem is, it was the airliner who choose which aircraft they want to buy, and which aircraft to fly which route, and those are not calculated with passenger safety in mind. Those are calculated with the least cost/pax or cost/km. As long as Boeing 737Max offer more cost effective solution for a particular route, airline will continue to use Boeing 737 Max

Secondly, this is as much fault of the "Gentleman Agreement" aircraft manufacturer have with certification bodies then lies with Boeing. They need to change how aircraft being certified, that is the main issue.

I don't foresee how duopoly is being broken from this, unless there is another airline manufacturer that make a better plane (by better I mean more cost effective aircraft) I don't ever see how the duopoly is being broken anyhow
 
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Sadly, this probably don't even dent Boeing share of the market.

First of all, this is not a big issue, even with this, if i remember correctly, there are not much cancellation of Boeing 737 MAX (I think it's about 70 cancelling) Boeing 737 have been in worse situation after the rudder hard-over fault happened in 1990s, when 4 of the Boeing 737 crashed and leading to global grounding of all Boeing 737. The problem is, traveller need to get on a plane because it needed to get on a plane, which mean it doesn't matter which aircraft the airline use, you would still get on a plane because you need to go somewhere. Ask yourself this. If you have to go to an international destination, would you really refused to get on board if that flight was flew using a Boeing?

Problem is, it was the airliner who choose which aircraft they want to buy, and which aircraft to fly which route, and those are not calculated with passenger safety in mind. Those are calculated with the least cost/pax or cost/km. As long as Boeing 737Max offer more cost effective solution for a particular route, airline will continue to use Boeing 737 Max

Secondly, this is as much fault of the "Gentleman Agreement" aircraft manufacturer have with certification bodies then lies with Boeing. They need to change how aircraft being certified, that is the main issue.

I don't foresee how duopoly is being broken from this, unless there is another airline manufacturer that make a better plane (by better I mean more cost effective aircraft) I don't ever see how the duopoly is being broken anyhow

Airline company will choose Airbus and it even gives COMAC is more valid reason for others to get C919. Narrow body medium size passenger catergory is the most profitable section for any Boeing and Airbus. With B737 Max out, this left currently Airbus as sole competitor.

Only you think this issue will not hurt Boeing...
 
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American product is top class or safety priority are all BS. You paid for a gold but got dust instead..

I rather pay little for a China product. At least I would not get scam and my lost are little.


FAA is another BS organisation. Prioritize profit and network over standard and safety. Getting FAA for your passenger plane depends on how much you paid them and not how top class your passenger plane is.

CAA has more standard than FAA.

People across the World fly in thousands of Boeing planes. So far no Chinese planes. It seems the only airlines risking buying your new planes are Chinese...so thankfully you guys will be the guinea pigs for COMAC.
 
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Airline company will choose Airbus and it even gives COMAC is more valid reason for others to get C919. Narrow body medium size passenger catergory is the most profitable section for any Boeing and Airbus. With B737 Max out, this left currently Airbus as sole competitor.

Only you think this issue will not hurt Boeing...

I didn't "think" when it is the fact, unless you call 70 cancellation is "hurting" and I definitely won't call Boeing 737 Max out when it still have 5 times the order C919 have.

You may think this is anything big with Boeing, but as an accountant and actuarial person, I can tell you that this does not do much to the risk Boeing pose before the incident. There are inherit risk of dying when you get on an aircraft, just because of this won't increase much, especially this represent 2 out of 389 Boeing 737 Max already in service.

You seriously overestimating the importance of this incident. As I said, it have been worse before, and it didn't even dent the sale, in fact, Boeing just pick up another 30 order of Boeing 737Max last month during Dubai Airshow.

https://fortune.com/2019/11/20/boeing-737-sunexpress-order-dubai-airshow/

When COMAC make an aircarft as good as Boeing 737 or Airbus A320, then maybe, but if you think this will do anything to Boeing 737 or even Boeing as a whole, oh well, you can always dream. Only you think this will bring down Boeing

People across the World fly in thousands of Boeing planes. So far no Chinese planes. It seems the only airlines risking buying your new planes are Chinese...so thankfully you guys will be the guinea pigs for COMAC.

Well,
the reason why there aren't any Chinese plane flying is because at this point, there aren't any. I don't think they know how aviation business operate.

If you want a completely safe travel, then don't travel. Risk of a plane going down is not any significantly increase because of this, as there are always chances an aircraft goes down for whatever reason.

Lol, you got to love people blow this out of complete proportion.
 
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I didn't "think" when it is the fact, unless you call 70 cancellation is "hurting" and I definitely won't call Boeing 737 Max out when it still have 5 times the order C919 have.

You may think this is anything big with Boeing, but as an accountant and actuarial person, I can tell you that this does not do much to the risk Boeing pose before the incident. There are inherit risk of dying when you get on an aircraft, just because of this won't increase much, especially this represent 2 out of 389 Boeing 737 Max already in service.

You seriously overestimating the importance of this incident. As I said, it have been worse before, and it didn't even dent the sale, in fact, Boeing just pick up another 30 order of Boeing 737Max last month during Dubai Airshow.

https://fortune.com/2019/11/20/boeing-737-sunexpress-order-dubai-airshow/

When COMAC make an aircarft as good as Boeing 737 or Airbus A320, then maybe, but if you think this will do anything to Boeing 737 or even Boeing as a whole, oh well, you can always dream. Only you think this will bring down Boeing



Well,
the reason why there aren't any Chinese plane flying is because at this point, there aren't any. I don't think they know how aviation business operate.

If you want a completely safe travel, then don't travel. Risk of a plane going down is not any significantly increase because of this, as there are always chances an aircraft goes down for whatever reason.

Lol, you got to love people blow this out of complete proportion.

Even when they do start flying they are going to use Western engines. So when their planes crash the first thing they’ll do is blame the “dust” engines (vs vaporware engines)
 
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Even when they do start flying they are going to use Western engines. So when their planes crash the first thing they’ll do is blame the “dust” engines (vs vaporware engines)

That is the reason why China "hack" their way thru aircraft design.

The west is too naive to believe China will play fair, lol, this is not what the Chinese do. Maybe the good things about this is the next project COMAC is teaming up with Russia, maybe they don't mind getting hack for their aviation secret. Well, I don't think there are any.
 
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