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..:: India Strategic ::. Air Force: Boeing bullish on Chinook for Indian heavy lift tender



New Delhi. With India moving ahead in the procurement path, all eyes are on the heavy lift helicopter tender which should be seeing the light of the day in the very near future. Boeing’s Chinook – the only helicopter which can float on water – is in the fray for this requirement of the Indian Air force and waiting patiently for the decision.

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“Our helicopter fits perfectly with the requirement of multi-terrain operations in India. We have completed the technical part and offsets are being evaluated The requirement is for 15 Chinooks. It is ideally suited for India’s vast distances, austere environments and high altitudes and offers India heavy-lift and high-altitude transportation for a multiple of uses. The aircraft has been battle-tested in diverse extreme conditions throughout the world, and has proven capability to operate in the wide range of conditions that typify the Indian subcontinent,” said Wesley Spreen, Campaign Manager in International Business Development at Boeing Mobility Systems in an exclusive interview to India Strategic.

“The contract requires that Indian pilots be trained at our facility in Philadelphia. It will be a transition training for a month or so. Maintenance training will also be held at the same location abut will last longer. We have provided some guarantees about availability of spares and failure rates. We have a very large logistics supply system in the world. We want good offset partners in India. We are looking for technical capability, quality and competitive pricing,” he added.

Improved and more powerful versions of the CH-47 have been developed since the helicopter entered service. The US Army’s first major design leap was the now-common CH-47D, which entered service in 1982. Improvements from the CH-47C included upgraded engines, composite rotor blades, a redesigned cockpit to reduce pilot workload, improved and redundant electrical systems, an advanced flight control system and improved avionics. The latest mainstream generation is the CH-47F, which features several major upgrades to reduce maintenance, digitized flight controls, and is powered by two 4,733-horsepower Honeywell engines.

All over the world, the CH-47 Chinook is known as the platform of choice for high-altitude, vertical-lift operations. The Chinook’s tandem rotor configuration, which allows all of the engine’s power to be directed to lift, and its ability to lift very large loads at altitude, are just two of reasons why the Chinook holds this distinction. The fact that it can lift a 105mm Howitzer cannon — weighing 1,905kg — at an altitude of 6,096m, is validation of that designation. “We don’t furnish the guns but the provision for gun mounts is given in the chopper. At high altitude Chinook is the best in the world. It can lift one ton load at 20,000 feet. It is more than any other chopper can. It has 13 tonnes load capacity at sea level,” he stated.

Wes informed that the contract requires that Indian pilots be trained at their facility in Philadelphia. It will be a transition training for a month or so. Maintenance training will also be held at the same location but will last longer.

“Chinook can also be used for natural calamities but we don’t build one for civil certification. We used to earlier but it is no longer being made. As FAA rules were different, the chopper was a little different from the military version. Old civil ones are still in use. Occasionally we approached by potential customers. 10 choppers are still flying for civilian purposes—7 in US and 3 in Taiwan,” informed Spreen.

A commercial model of the Chinook, the Boeing-Vertol Model 234, is used worldwide for logging, construction, fighting forest fires, and supporting petroleum extraction operations. On 15 December 2006, the Columbia Helicopters company of the Salem, Oregon, metropolitan area, purchased the Type Certificate of the Model 234 from Boeing. The Chinook has also been licensed to be built by companies outside of the United States, such as Elicotteri Meridionali (now AgustaWestland) in Italy, Kawasaki in Japan.

800 military choppers are in operation in more than 16 countries world over.

Boeing has also leased a Chinook to Papua New Guinea recently. So leasing to smaller countries who cannot bare the purchase costs is also a good business proposition for the company.

“Things seem to be moving ahead in India. The Government of India needs to take its time. Chinook offered to India has some enhancements. IAF has asked for some additional safety features. Collision avoidance system is what India wants.We are happy with the way our customer is handling it. We know that the customer will make the right decision for India. I hope I will be working here for the next ten years for the Chinook programme,” said Spreen optimistically.
 
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The fact that it can lift a 105mm Howitzer cannon — weighing 1,905kg — at an altitude of 6,096m, is validation of that designation
Then what does one call this.
Mi-26_Chinook.jpg
 
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The MI 26 can carry more than the Chinook, but the reason why the MI 26 lost is because the MI 26's already in the IAF are barely serviceable due to lack of spares and support from Russia.

So far American equipment (due to excellent support) has a much higher operational readiness as compared to Russian platforms.


If a war begins, India will need the equipment it pays for to be operational, not sitting in a hangar waiting for spares.
 
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indian already choose apache reject russian mi-28
now if they choose ch-47 than that will make russia anger
 
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Then what does one call this.
Mi-26_Chinook.jpg
I swear every time this heavy lift helo competition comes up this argument and defeinatly this pic is used to claim Mi-26 supremacy over the Chinook!
The MI 26 can carry more than the Chinook, but the reason why the MI 26 lost is because the MI 26's already in the IAF are barely serviceable due to lack of spares and support from Russia.

So far American equipment (due to excellent support) has a much higher operational readiness as compared to Russian platforms.


If a war begins, India will need the equipment it pays for to be operational, not sitting in a hangar waiting for spares.

It is not only the fact that the Mi-26 fleet remains grounded most of the time but that it is a question of utility.The Mi-26 can lift more but it is a lumbering giant with no place anywhere near the frontline whereas the CH-47F offers the ability to lift relativley heavy loads and deliver them anywhere you like. The versatility and usability of the Chinook is outstanding- the Mi-26, not so much. It is a similar argumet to the An-124 vs C-17 argument and we all know what the IAF decided was best for their needs! The Mi-26 is great for rear-logisitcal support but beyond that it is pretty ineffective.
 
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indian already choose apache reject russian mi-28
now if they choose ch-47 than that will make russia anger


I think the following deals more than offset any potential disapointment (they also lost MMRCA remeber!):

FGFA/PAK-FA- $30+ BN
TALWAR CLASS FRIGATES- $3+ BN
MIG-29UPG-$2-3 BN
MTA- $4-5 BN
MIG-29K/KUB-$3 BN
ETC,ETC

added to the deals in the civil sector there is close to $100BN worth of deals- enough to keep them happy I'd say.
 
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I swear every time this heavy lift helo competition comes up this argument and defeinatly this pic is used to claim Mi-26 supremacy over the Chinook!


It is not only the fact that the Mi-26 fleet remains grounded most of the time but that it is a question of utility.The Mi-26 can lift more but it is a lumbering giant with no place anywhere near the frontline whereas the CH-47F offers the ability to lift relativley heavy loads and deliver them anywhere you like. The versatility and usability of the Chinook is outstanding- the Mi-26, not so much. It is a similar argumet to the An-124 vs C-17 argument and we all know what the IAF decided was best for their needs! The Mi-26 is great for rear-logisitcal support but beyond that it is pretty ineffective.

IAF has mi 17 for medium lift. Mi 26 is gonna be used for heavy lift and that is not very often. I would go for higher lift capacity as operational requirement is lesser. MI 26 has been used in many special roles and high lift requirement across the world whihc i doubt chinook would have been able to fullfil. mi 26 India has is too old and outdated. I agree that USA is good with logistical support at normal times but we are not sure about troubled/war times when it is required the most. If not for the price Russia is a lot reliable.
 
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I think the following deals more than offset any potential disapointment (they also lost MMRCA remeber!):

FGFA/PAK-FA- $30+ BN
TALWAR CLASS FRIGATES- $3+ BN
MIG-29UPG-$2-3 BN
MTA- $4-5 BN
MIG-29K/KUB-$3 BN
ETC,ETC

added to the deals in the civil sector there is close to $100BN worth of deals- enough to keep them happy I'd say.

and also a number of nuclear reactors...
 
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I swear every time this heavy lift helo competition comes up this argument and defeinatly this pic is used to claim Mi-26 supremacy over the Chinook!


It is not only the fact that the Mi-26 fleet remains grounded most of the time but that it is a question of utility.The Mi-26 can lift more but it is a lumbering giant with no place anywhere near the frontline whereas the CH-47F offers the ability to lift relativley heavy loads and deliver them anywhere you like. The versatility and usability of the Chinook is outstanding- the Mi-26, not so much. It is a similar argumet to the An-124 vs C-17 argument and we all know what the IAF decided was best for their needs! The Mi-26 is great for rear-logisitcal support but beyond that it is pretty ineffective.
This argument has been used so many times, it has become Argumentum ad nauseam. But never mind.
The Mi-26 of the IAF is an old aircraft of soviet vintage. T2 is the newer version, and the ruskies should have learnt something. Mig-29 is another example. We are all aware of how pathetic it's maintenance was during the dark days. But now it's all operational and ready for an upgrade.
Plus, it can just as well be in the frontline, unless by frontline, you mean dropping troops right in the heat of the battle.
You must realize that this is a heavy-lift cargo helo. It only moves heavy cargo. And that's all that the IAF needs. The tactical roles have already been taken care of.
And this is in no way similar to An-124 and C-17. They are relatively different roles. Not meant to compete. Our requirements were for a tactical heavy lift aircraft capable of landing in short, unprepared pitches on forward bases in addition to replacing Il-76's. None of which An-124 was capable of, nor intended to. Plus there wasn't any competition either.
A better comparison is between C-5 and An-124. Similarly, even CH-47 does not really fill the heavy lift mission profile as beautifully as Mi-26.
 
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we need this....

mil_mi26_halo_l4.jpg



and if we compare cost of this two helos...then

Chinook- $25-$32 million

mi-26- $15-$18 million


also,Mi-26 can carry more than double load than Chinook..only advantage Chinook have is tactical role and better avionics and better spare availability..draw the conclusion yourself.. :enjoy:
 
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Chinook NOT fit for Heavy Lift Role When More capable Platforms like Mi26 are available.
Chinook may got other tactical , operational advantages for SF mission's but tender is for heavy lift : )

Edit: Mi26 in IAF fleet are plagued by maintenance problems but Russians are offering the newer T2
 
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