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BNS Samudra Avijan (USCGC Rush)arrives in Chittagong to join Bangladesh Navy fleet

1. We don't use and will probably never use indian made defence equipment either used or new, its a defence policy.

2. In less then a year the navy will recieve 2 new type 056 corvettes currently undergoing sea trials.

3. By 2018-2020 Khulna Shipyards will be building the type 056 in Bangladesh.

4. Money has already been allocated to buy 2 new frigates from either China or Korea.

So in other words thanks but no thanks.

Look. Indian Govt never proposed it. Its my idea for a friendly govt. That's it. Considering a 1968 coastal guard ship into BD Navy, I felt, Godaveri if transferred would have been a better use.
And I am not sure of Defence policy as India have never fought with BD.
 
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So this figure was given this year? or for 2014? I suppose its the national poverty line the minister is talking about.

From:

Country's poverty rate now 25.6%



Its somewhat different from the World Bank measurement which is an international standard (but follows the same concept - though uses different weights).

Using one or the other has pros and cons, but to compare between countries.....one can only use the international method (given the differences between countries in measuring under the national poverty line).

Thats where Bangladesh ends up having double the poverty % of India. But the good news is that both countries are both drastically reducing their poverty rates each year.
Bangladesh poverty rate has dropped to 24.7%, says government minister -
bdnews24.com

Not so much for a 1 year. But can't expect much from a government that came to power through farce election.

the cutter is 1968 produced i am not happy it is very old ship
It's crap. We could have just built our own ship and put Chinese equipment in it, rather than put Chinese equipment in a used ship.
 
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The fact that it has been designated as a "patrol frigate" bothers me. It means that there is a high possibility that it won't be armed with any teeth. Like for example bns somudra joy, it hasn't been armed with any missile system as of now, even though it has been with us for like 2 years already.

For a small navy like bangladesh, multi purpose frigates and ships are a necessity. I understand specializations are useful. Fore example, corvettes dedicated to ASW. But to get the largest ship, with the highest endurance and range in the navy to become specialized in patrolling, that too without any AShM or SAMs, seems to me a waste of resources.
 
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Look. Indian Govt never proposed it. Its my idea for a friendly govt. That's it. Considering a 1968 coastal guard ship into BD Navy, I felt, Godaveri if transferred would have been a better use.
And I am not sure of Defence policy as India have never fought with BD.

I know its your idea, (but I'm just telling you why its never going to work...) the indian establishment knows very well the views of the Bangladeshi armed forces and that's one of the reasons they have never (until recently) tried to sell/gift weapons system to Bangladesh. The current Bangladesh government is very pro india, and wants the armed forces to be like wise, but that's never going to happen. the armed forces want to maintain a moderate distance and balance from all regional powers.

As for ships, the "Hamilton" class boats were bought because we needed long endurance cutters to patrol the large maritime zones we have from poachers and pirates. They were never planned to be combat "frigates" in the normal sense, which is why they haven't been armed with any ASHMs or anything offensive.

What would be logic to get the godavari? they are far too old to be offensive weapons and too expensive to run as patrol frigates/cutters.

Long term we want to build our own, now that were seeing our economy grow and the industrial base start to take off.
 
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Stop posting poverty comparison in a thread related to naval vessel...
ontopic: whats the mileage? :p:
 
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The fact that it has been designated as a "patrol frigate" bothers me. It means that there is a high possibility that it won't be armed with any teeth. Like for example bns somudra joy, it hasn't been armed with any missile system as of now, even though it has been with us for like 2 years already.

For a small navy like bangladesh, multi purpose frigates and ships are a necessity. I understand specializations are useful. Fore example, corvettes dedicated to ASW. But to get the largest ship, with the highest endurance and range in the navy to become specialized in patrolling, that too without any AShM or SAMs, seems to me a waste of resources.

The 2 "Hamilton" class cutters were never bought as frigates in the standard sense. There are actually logical REASONS why the "Hamilton" were bought.....

1. The fact we have now delineated our maritime limits, mean we need long endurance ships that can be used to patrol all the way to its 200km + limits (resource/fish poachers, pirates etc).

2. The price, we got 2 boats for relatively low cost.

3. the time frame, for delivery. We needed them ASAP, as loads of countries have been poaching in our waters.

Strictly speaking these boats are long endurance coast guard cutters that are being operated by the navy.
 
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The 2 "Hamilton" class cutters were never bought as frigates in the standard sense. There are actually logical REASONS why the "Hamilton" were bought.....

1. The fact we have now delineated our maritime limits, mean we need long endurance ships that can be used to patrol all the way to its 200km + limits (resource/fish poachers, pirates etc).

2. The price, we got 2 boats for relatively low cost.

3. the time frame, for delivery. We needed them ASAP, as loads of countries have been poaching in our waters.

Strictly speaking these boats are long endurance coast guard cutters that are being operated by the navy.

Yea i know, this cutters were practically a gift from the USA, we paid around 1-2mil for each of them. I however, disagree with your points.

1. No we don't need extra vessels to guard our territory. the Maritime boundary is only 200nm. Most of our ships can easily cover that distance. Even our padma class patrol vessels have a range of 1500nm and currently padma class is used for our EEZ patrol.

2. Low cost is one thing, but maintenance may be an issue as the ship is really old and big and has seen action in all kinds of weather, think how much it is worn out by now and how much will it coast to refit and maintain them.
I wouldnt mind spending if the ship is a force multiplier for our navy, but, do we seriously want to spend money on upkeeping an old ship that is only used for patrol and has almost zero combat capability?

3. We received them like a couple of years apart with 2 years of separate negotiations for the both of them, with like 6-8 months of training in the US. I dont think the problem with poaching is/was serious, if it was, we wouldn't have taken such a long time to purchase the vessels.

My point is, patrol frigates in our navy is a waste of our limited resources. Unless they add teeth to these ships, i think that they will not be much beneficial than a padma class patrol boat.
 
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Bangladesh poverty rate has dropped to 24.7%, says government minister -
bdnews24.com

Not so much for a 1 year. But can't expect much from a government that came to power through farce election.


It's crap. We could have just built our own ship and put Chinese equipment in it, rather than put Chinese equipment in a used ship.
Stay on topic

Stop posting poverty comparison in a thread related to naval vessel...
ontopic: whats the mileage? :p:
Stop trolling on this great thread .
 
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Yea i know, this cutters were practically a gift from the USA, we paid around 1-2mil for each of them. I however, disagree with your points.

1. No we don't need extra vessels to guard our territory. the Maritime boundary is only 200nm. Most of our ships can easily cover that distance. Even our padma class patrol vessels have a range of 1500nm and currently padma class is used for our EEZ patrol.

2. Low cost is one thing, but maintenance may be an issue as the ship is really old and big and has seen action in all kinds of weather, think how much it is worn out by now and how much will it coast to refit and maintain them.
I wouldnt mind spending if the ship is a force multiplier for our navy, but, do we seriously want to spend money on upkeeping an old ship that is only used for patrol and has almost zero combat capability?

3. We received them like a couple of years apart with 2 years of separate negotiations for the both of them, with like 6-8 months of training in the US. I dont think the problem with poaching is/was serious, if it was, we wouldn't have taken such a long time to purchase the vessels.

My point is, patrol frigates in our navy is a waste of our limited resources. Unless they add teeth to these ships, i think that they will not be much beneficial than a padma class patrol boat.

1. The "Padma" class patrol boats are short endurance boats that can't stay out at sea for longer then 7 days and not at high sea states. The "Hamiltons" can stay on station for more then 45 days, and at high sea states.

2. We need vessels that can be used to evacuate large groups of people from abroad. We learned a strong lesson when all the problems happened in the middle east and we didn't have the resources.

3. The actual running costs of these 2 are quite reasonable considering their age and recent refit. you cant expect to pay such low cost and expect latest tech. They were bought for a reason, and they fulfill them....you need to stop thinking about them as combat ships...they are not.

I spoke to senior BN officers when they bought the first "Hami", I thought what a stupid idea to buy old coast guard cutters and try to convert them to frigates....made no sense....it would be better to buy a single modern frigate then these. But when they explained what they were going to be used for it made sense.

I will condense as much as possible what they said to my questions...I had 2 worries a) Why buy the "Hamis"? b) Why are the Durjoy's so lightly armed? Why not just buy the same boats as Pakistan?

a) They wanted long endurance patrol boats that could be used to patrol the maritime territory at high sea states. The fact we got them cheap and can be used for evacuations was a bonus.

b) If you look at the Durjoy class you will notice that they are essentially cut down versions of the type 056 corvettes. The plan has always been to build up KSY, and the durjoys have been designed so they can be built at KSY and with the idea that this will help in building the type 056 at KSY too.

The Padma's are used for short endurance patrol (7 days) and close to the coast. The Durjoy's are meant to mid term endurance patrol's (2 weeks) and light combat. The Hami's and for long endurance patrols (over a month).

The planned actual combat vessels are, Durjoy, type 056, new frigates (either chinese or korean), future subs....etc.
 
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1. The "Padma" class patrol boats are short endurance boats that can't stay out at sea for longer then 7 days and not at high sea states. The "Hamiltons" can stay on station for more then 45 days, and at high sea states.

2. We need vessels that can be used to evacuate large groups of people from abroad. We learned a strong lesson when all the problems happened in the middle east and we didn't have the resources.

3. The actual running costs of these 2 are quite reasonable considering their age and recent refit. you cant expect to pay such low cost and expect latest tech. They were bought for a reason, and they fulfill them....you need to stop thinking about them as combat ships...they are not.

I spoke to senior BN officers when they bought the first "Hami", I thought what a stupid idea to buy old coast guard cutters and try to convert them to frigates....made no sense....it would be better to buy a single modern frigate then these. But when they explained what they were going to be used for it made sense.

I will condense as much as possible what they said to my questions...I had 2 worries a) Why buy the "Hamis"? b) Why are the Durjoy's so lightly armed? Why not just buy the same boats as Pakistan?

a) They wanted long endurance patrol boats that could be used to patrol the maritime territory at high sea states. The fact we got them cheap and can be used for evacuations was a bonus.

b) If you look at the Durjoy class you will notice that they are essentially cut down versions of the type 056 corvettes. The plan has always been to build up KSY, and the durjoys have been designed so they can be built at KSY and with the idea that this will help in building the type 056 at KSY too.

The Padma's are used for short endurance patrol (7 days) and close to the coast. The Durjoy's are meant to mid term endurance patrol's (2 weeks) and light combat. The Hami's and for long endurance patrols (over a month).

The planned actual combat vessels are, Durjoy, type 056, new frigates (either chinese or korean), future subs....etc.


No dude.... Absolutely no.... There is absolutely no point for any naval ship to be just patrolling without any offensive capacity .... That's the job of the coast guard ....

This is merely an example of BAL scums keeping BN weak as per their masters request ... The standard garbage of building up capacity for a future potent force is being used but every opportunity to aquire true offensive capacity is squandered.... A great shame
 
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1. We don't use and will probably never use indian made defence equipment either used or new, its a defence policy.

2. In less then a year the navy will recieve 2 new type 056 corvettes currently undergoing sea trials.

3. By 2018-2020 Khulna Shipyards will be building the type 056 in Bangladesh.

4. Money has already been allocated to buy 2 new frigates from either China or Korea.

So in other words thanks but no thanks.

To my fellow Indians, why are you guys so hell bent in helping someone who doesn't need it...??? @gslv mk3 @Nilgiri
The govt itself doesn't feel the need for it.. Let us all stop acting like the Ambassadors of India for a moment..
To those Bangladeshis, we are glad that, you guys are doing good on many fronts..
Your founder Mujibur Rahman was glad that he had Indian Army to help him create a Nation where he and his subjects can live peacefully, where his sisters were not getting raped and shot by the west paksitani Army.. And we are also glad that, you guys have developed so much on educational front that you have the ability to compare Western Systems to Indian systems..
Sad were those days when Mukti Baghini had to fight west Pakistani Army barefooted alongside Indian Army to get a nation for them.. And though younger generations like you may not understand the importance of 1971 and Indian Army but may be your father and mother will surely know what it was..
And to those fellow Pakistani members, the Bangladeshi people and Mukthi bhagini were hell bent on burning your 90000 soldiers alive for the atrocities they have committed and if it was not for the Indian Army, none of those soldiers would've seen Pakistani soil back alive.. Without even a scratch we sent all 90,000 your soldiers back home..
Hence For Both Bangladeshis and Pakistanis, This is India For you !!!!
 
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We ain't that cheap that we need to buy over three decades decades old Indian stuff. If we want used stuff, we can go for US' or European.

Right,

A 47 year old American coast guard vessel without any combat capabilities is better than a 32 year old Indian frigate whose sister ships will serve in the Indian Navy till 2022

We should just hand over Godavari to Myanmar
If we just want to piss off the lungis
 
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