BN signed a contract for two more Type 053H3 frigates, including ex- Putian (pennant number 523)

[Avicenna]

I get your thinking but this is what BN now has before these ships as regards warships with new sensor and missile systems:

1. 1 * Ulsan class frigate
2. 2 * Type-53H3 frigates
3. 4 * Type-056 corvettes.

These are plenty of ships that will allow BN to train enough personnel to get ready to operate the next-gen frigates.

BD is not exactly flush with cash and I just see this as a waste of resources. Yes they are cheap to buy but as they are old they will cost a fair amount to run.

Also by buying these old warships there is the danger of taking the focus out of the next-gen frigate program. All efforts must be placed on finalising a design and then getting the facilities ready, rather than wasting time and resources on ships that are no match for what India is building right now.

I'm a hardcore pessimist but I find myself strangely optimistic about the BN's vision and ultimate plans.

Time will tell of course.

But I am sensing they mean business.

I think though, in terms of the question of the quality and capability of the equipment BN procures, the litmus test is going to be what the BN decides on the New Gen Frigates.

i.e. If they cheap out on those, then I was wrong in my optimism.

However, I am hoping they are taking their time and what they ultimately decide upon will favorably surprise us.

At least I hope!

InshAllah.

 

[UKBengali]

I'm a hardcore pessimist but I find myself strangely optimistic about the BN's vision and ultimate plans.

Time will tell of course.

But I am sensing they mean business.

I think though, in terms of the question of the quality and capability of the equipment BN procures, the litmus test is going to be what the BN decides on the New Gen Frigates.

i.e. If they cheap out on those, then I was wrong in my optimism.

However, I am hoping they are taking their time and what they ultimately decide upon will favorable surprise us.

At least I hope!

InshAllah.

BN's primary mission is to keep the sea lanes of BD open and only the next-gen frigates will provide any deterrence to India.

Myanmar is just a little pest for a country like BD many times larger in population and GDP.

 

[The Ronin]

Yes I know you said that but makes no difference to my argument.

Next-gen frigates are expected to roll out early next decade and so we need to stick with that. Even if delayed till 2025 what exactly is going to happen to BD's position via it's neighbours. Myanmar is not going anywhere up soon(got Kilo from India worse than the Type-35G that BD has) and India is on another level.

I already mentioned that these will make no difference to India as they are currently building stuff like this:

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These are 7400 tonnes in displacement and one of them probably has more firepower as all the frigates and corvettes in BN combined.
What exactly difference are these two extra Type-53H3 going to make in confrontation to India?


Tell you the truth I was not exactly thrilled when they brought the original 2 but somehow was persuaded that they would be good to fill the stop-gap as the next-gen frigates were delayed. Another 2 is just ridiculous.
These ships will just burn BN's resources but I do not make the decision here.

It's doesn't matter to India obviously but it matter to us. Getting minimum AD coverage for our frigate is still good. Except BNS BB none of our frigate is that significant. These Type 53H3 will be great addition. And the six frigate will be completed with 2030. That's a long time. Myanmar will not sit idly meanwhile. Look how secretly they bought Kilo and LPD. According to @Michael Corleone the frigate requirement is 16, so it seems true and buying more old frigates makes sense.

1. 1 * Ulsan class frigate
2. 2 * Type-53H3 frigates
3. 4 * Type-056 corvettes.

These are plenty of ships that will allow BN to train enough personnel to get ready to operate the next-gen frigates.

BD is not exactly flush with cash and I just see this as a waste of resources. Yes they are cheap to buy but as they are old they will cost a fair amount to run.

Also by buying these old warships there is the danger of taking the focus out of the next-gen frigate program. All efforts must be placed on finalising a design and then getting the facilities ready, rather than wasting time and resources on ships that are no match for what India is building right now.

Who gave you the idea that these ships train personnel for next frigates? Nobody is loosing focus on frigate project, PM even talked about it one day ago. She and BN is serious about building warships. Building new types of LPC is a start. And building six frigates is not the only thing we require, BN needs other support vessel. Especially big logistic support ship which we don't have. Bangladesh can't match India's pace as both have different vision and mission. Their focus is on preventing Chinese naval presence in IOR.

 

[LKJ86]

The BN said in a statement that the 2,200-ton diesel-powered ships, formerly known as Jiaxing (pennant number 521) and Lianyungang (522), were transferred in a ceremony held on 18 December at the Shenjia Shipyard in Shanghai after being overhauled.

They are Hull 522 and Hull 523.
Hull 521 is still in service.

 

[UKBengali]

It's doesn't matter to India obviously but it matter to us. Getting minimum AD coverage for our frigate is still good. Except BNS BB none of our frigate is that significant. These Type 53H3 will be great addition. And the six frigate will be completed with 2030. That's a long time. Myanmar will not sit idly meanwhile. Look how secretly they bought Kilo and LPD. According to @Michael Corleone the frigate requirement is 16, so it seems true and buying more old frigates makes sense.



Who gave you the idea that these ships train personnel for next frigates? Nobody is loosing focus on frigate project, PM even talked about it one day ago. She and BN is serious about building warships. Building new types of LPC is a start. And building six frigates is not the only thing we require, BN needs other support vessel. Especially big logistic support ship which we don't have. Bangladesh can't match India's pace as both have different vision and mission. Their focus is on preventing Chinese naval presence in IOR.

Nobody would be more happier than me if BD ended up with 16 frigates - this would give real teeth to BN and provide a powerful deterrent to Indian dreams of dominating the Bay of Bengal.

Let us see if any more frigates are brought before next-gen frigates start rolling out.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[tarpitz]

Mings and the rest of the fleet fitted with sonars and torpedos will sink the Kilo at the start of hostilities.

That Kilo is a 1980s model and they were not that quiet and so no issues for the modern anti-sub equipment that BD warships and soon helicopters carry to detect and then destroy it.

As an example BN has 2 of the AW159 ASW helicopters on order - they carry the following to destroy subs:

Sting Ray Torpedo and Mk 11 depth charges.

It can of course do a lot more like destroy surface targets up to 1,000 tonnes.

India gives Myanmar a 1980s submarine and BN just goes and buys a modern Western helicopter optimised to destroy submarines.

The problem is that only the FFG Bangabandhu has proper sonar and ASW suite. The rest of the fleet is useless against the submarine.

 

[Doctor Strange]

What is this?

BD just keeps buying more and more 2nd hand frigates from China?
Next-gen frigates should be rolling out in a few years and I am confused.
Current fleet totally outclasses Myanmar and even with these two additions it will not make any difference to balance of power with India.

@Bilal9 - Bhai any ideas what BN is thinking here?

Whats wrong with these two? These 4 and the Bangabandhu will still be the most advanced ships of BN. BN is multiplying its fleet in such a way that, India doesnt get a hint of BN's ambition of keeping India in mind. People will start pulling their own hairs seeing BN's fleet, with eternal perplexation of what class they actaully fall into.

 

[Avicenna]

The problem is that only the FFG Bangabandhu has proper sonar and ASW suite. The rest of the fleet is useless against the submarine.

Give it some time my friend.

Until then please enjoy your Chinese vinegar.

 

[UKBengali]

The problem is that only the FFG Bangabandhu has proper sonar and ASW suite. The rest of the fleet is useless against the submarine.

Who told you they cannot deal with 1980s Kilo as they have both sonar and torpedoes. Anyway why just stick to ships?

Why do you think BD ordered two of these babies?:

See those two torpedoes there to sink your 1980s Kilo down to the bottom of the Bay of Bengal. These are brand new and modern Western ASW helicopters optimised to destroy surface and sub-surface targets

If you must stick with ships how about the two Durjoy class LPC with ASW capability?
It is equipped with the latest in Chinese anti-submarine sonar and torpedoes. I would bet on it against a 1980s Kilo sub.

 

[tarpitz]

What is this?

BD just keeps buying more and more 2nd hand frigates from China?
Next-gen frigates should be rolling out in a few years and I am confused.
Current fleet totally outclasses Myanmar and even with these two additions it will not make any difference to balance of power with India.

@Bilal9 - Bhai any ideas what BN is thinking here?

Outclass or outdated?

China also offered their outdated Type 053H3 to MM.
But we refused it. We don't want secondhand and we selected RoK for a new LPD. It costs more than two secondhand Chinese frigates. MN can afford secondhand frigates but the simple reason is that we don't to put any burden.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Good news for BD navy.

 

[The Ronin]

The problem is that only the FFG Bangabandhu has proper sonar and ASW suite. The rest of the fleet is useless against the submarine.

Outclass or outdated?

China also offered their outdated Type 053H3 to MM.
But we refused it. We don't want secondhand and we selected RoK for a new LPD. It costs more than two secondhand Chinese frigates. MN can afford secondhand frigates but the simple reason is that we don't to put any burden.

In 2010, we have only 2 corvettes.
But in 2020, we will have 1/2 Submarine(s), 6 frigates, 3 corvettes, 1 LPD and quite a large number of FAC and auxiliaries.
Most importantly, there is aJF 17 sqd with C 802AK and ground based anti ship costal defence missile battery.
What a great achievement. Now we have better navy than Bangladesh.

LOL!! No they are not!! Look i don't mean to offend you but judging by your recent comments on some things it looks like you are the most ignorant and stupidest Burmese member in PDF. Sorry to say that but please don't engage in argument and make yourself a laughing stock if you don't know anything. And don't dangle around that LPD, without proper fleet it means nothing.

 

[Bilal9]

One kilo against 2 subs already with BD.

BD surface fleet is already overwhelmingly more powerful than Myanmar.

I think that just buying more and more 2nd hand ships from China will just end up being a logistical nightmare and very expensive to maintain.

Better just wait a few more years for the next-gen frigates to come online

What is this?

BD just keeps buying more and more 2nd hand frigates from China?
Next-gen frigates should be rolling out in a few years and I am confused.
Current fleet totally outclasses Myanmar and even with these two additions it will not make any difference to balance of power with India.

@Bilal9 - Bhai any ideas what BN is thinking here?

I don't think these refurbished frigate purchases equate with and (either/or is connected) with the new frigate program. New frigate program is a separate effort I believe all on its own. I don't think you have to worry about funding for new frigates.

But older 053H3's are being retired from the PLAN rapidly (and available on the cheap) and we can get these in the fleet (refurbished to our common specs no less) at very reasonable funding outlay as we've done in the past. Common practice in BN. These are our 'numbers' frigates, not the 'top of the heap' lead-class frigates, which we are planning to build on our own, which we WILL build, no one should have any doubts about that. But like @The Ronin said, the drydock is not ready yet, and partnership deals have to be finalized too. I hope Damen comes in with their design like they did in Indonesia.

These 053H3's are backfill (and stopgap measures) for older H1 & H2's being retired (Jianghu II's like F18 BNS Osman inducted as first Missile guided frigate and Jianghu III's like BNS Abu Bakar and BNS Ali Haider, inducted in 2013) which are getting a bit longer in the tooth and aren't candidates for even being refurbished or being fitted with advanced sensors and weapons. They are hopelessly outclassed by any regional Navy and will be retired very soon.

Even Thailand has at least four Chinese 053's of various vintage active in their navy, though their latest is the 3700 ton frigate "Gianggaeto the Great" class from Daewoo of Korea inducted very recently.

I trust the Navy top command as they are probably the best qualified folks in our armed services, they have a fleet lifecycle plan I am pretty certain...

LOL!! No they are not!! Look i don't mean to offend you but judging by your recent comments on some things it looks like you are the most ignorant and stupidest Burmese member in PDF. Sorry to say that but please don't engage in argument and make yourself a laughing stock if you don't know anything. And don't dangle around that LPD, without proper fleet it means nothing.

Ha ha ha - koi Agartala ar koi Chowkir tola...

LPD karey koi, shey mone hoi bujheo nai....

 

[UKBengali]

I don't think these refurbished frigate purchases equate with and (either/or is connected) with the new frigate program. New frigate program is a separate effort I believe all on its own. I don't think you have to worry about funding for new frigates.

But older 053H3's are being retired on the cheap and we can get these in the fleet (refurbished to our common specs no less) at very reasonable funding outlay. These 053H3's are backfill (and stopgap measures) for older H1 & H2's being retired (Jianghu II's like F18 BNS Osman inducted as first Missile guided frigate and Jianghu III's like BNS Abu Bakar and BNS Ali Haider, inducted in 2013) which are getting a bit longer in the tooth and aren't candidates for even being refurbished or being fitted with advanced sensors and weapons.

Even Thailand has at least four Chinese 053's of various vintage active in their navy, though their latest is the 3700 ton frigate "Gianggaeto the Great" class from Daewoo of Korea inducted very recently.

I trust the Navy top command as they are probably the best qualified folks in our armed services, they have a fleet lifecycle plan I am pretty certain...

Thank you Bhai for your take on this.

I would like to hold judgement as so many rumours going round with BD being interested in buying 2 Type-054A frigates that I am really worried that the next-gen frigate program may end up getting cancelled.