Blast in a Mosque in Peshawar: 50 people injured

[KaiserX]

Alright MrX,

Firstly 99% really? Are you sure about that?

Secondly Tell me outta all the people you mentioned which one have been radicalized? no one except pashtuns! used as cannon fodder. Did pashtuns blow themselves up before that? the answer is NO!
Fuckn bastard! pashtuns were the biggest reason pakistan came into existence.
When you punjabis shat ur pants in 1965, the tribes men from KPk was infront of the army fighting india, fucken took kashmir for u in 1948. So dont u God damn dare question pahtuns loyalty to Pakistan. They chose to be Pakistan, they had no threat from indians.

The reason its so easy to manipulate them it’s because the radical element still exists. plus uneducated and unemployment has a hand to play. Suicide bombing started after musharaf joining US WOT.
Since pakistan has been made tell me, how it is that balochistan and Kpk supplying whole country with gas has no gas in the cities next to it. KPk provides more than 60 to 70 percent of the countrys power needs, yet they get no royalty nor compensation.
You talking about your taxes spent in these provinces yet you totally ignore confiscation their shares. Wheat supply is always cut to KPk from punjab.
Tell me how many balochs own gas reservesvoirs in Bacluchistan. Same goes for gawadar its their right yet taken form them.
Akbar bugti was fighting for their rights and yet army called him a traitor and demolished him.
Drone attacks killing innocent kids and men, what do you think, isn’t it easy to strap a bomb on him.
The people pf KPk and baloushistan has given alot to this country.
How many punjabis or mahajirs have died, compared to balouchs and pashtuns.

It the state policies and these dollar hungry generals and mafias forcing them to do so.
And dont tell me hazaras are innocent, they were doing suide bombing against Pak army in wanna and Nato in afghanistan.
same goes for kashmiris against india.
Hazaris and tajiks are innocent then tell me how come when in wanna operations they were booby traping Qurans. to whoever is gonna pick it up will blow to smithreens.

You live in a country where a former PM cant even file an FIR, see how police controlled this state is. Worst then North korea.

I dont care if you leave the forum or not. not my problem

Next time if you confront me go and check out these places before you blabber your mouth.
i know for a fact you are some kid who lived your entire life on some cantt.

All i heard is blame... blaming everyone yet yourself. A bunch of mambo jumbo yet you have been unable to answer 1 simple question I have put forth...

PLEASE NAME ME 1 SINGLE PUNJABI/MUJAHIR/KASHMIRI/SINDHI/HAZARA THAT HAS DONE A SINGLE SUICIDE BOMBING IN A PLACE OF WORSHIP WITHIN PAKISTAN????

Why is it your bretheren from afghanistan and balochistan have terror ingrained into their DNA??? enough of appeasement now is a time for us as a society to sit down and discuss these matters without playing mental gynastics.

Our society have given billions upon billions to these people yet today we have nothing left in our forex reserves. Look at the conditions of cities like Sialkot/Faisalabad which export half of pakistans exports yet not a single major project in these cities???? It is my right as a pakistani to question my government and society. Your emotional blackmail wont change anything

Lastly there are many many great nationalistic pashtuns. I am not discounting their services or sacrafice to pakistan. I myself have many pashtuns in my family. Urbanized pashtuns from major cities are great people. I am specifically refering to 1. Afghan pashtuns, 2. Pashtuns from the tribal belt of waziristan.

 

[FuturePAF]

Look, I have no issues with law abiding citizens doesn't matter if they are pashtun, Baloch, Kashmiri, Sindhi or whatever

Whatbyou are trying to say! i understand that.

there are extreme elements in every society and its our job to point it out. i agree.

But saying its solely balouchs and pashtuns the problem of pakistan then you cant be more wrong. Punjab has tlp and sindh has their extreme elements. but i dont want to turn this into nationalism debate. we all have our own monsters.
But i was only pointing out the fact that how easy it is misuse these 5%.

And yes the GHQ is to blame, why cant they be held accountable? I mean raise your voice and ask what they have done ?
you are either labeled ghaadar or jailed.
Tell me what other institution have broken the constitution so many times by imposing marshal law. So yes they have a massive share in blaming. i will never blame punjab, they are innocent people getting on with their lives.

The army can go guns blazing again and hope for a different result is absolutely absurd. its like reinventing the wheel again.
My bet carry out only IBOs .
Ttp is an idea, and trust me you can’t beat and idea with guns. kill one more take place.
Ideas are bullet proof but they are not unforgotable.

Not to mention, even in their core responsibility of defense, the powers that be have been found wanting. Time and time again, these attacks get through, into what is suppose to be the most secure places. Non of the politicians can be truly blamed for this because they have no real input. For years, many of us on this forum have been calling for the police to be given the resources, but it’s always said to be an interior ministry matter or provincial matter.

The last government’s policies, while naive, bought the nation time. Time that was seemingly squandered in what should have been an effort to squash the ideology with economic reforms and alternative life choices for the masses of unemployed. Even if a small fraction are recruited by miscreants it is a large enough number to continue the cycle of chaos.

This is just one more reason we need elections soon. A government with a mandate and the support of the people can shift the culture as well as change how the budget is allocated so the police finally get the resources they need to win the part of this fight that is intelligence based and kinetic based. Massive operation, especially into Afghanistan will be ultimately futile, and counterproductive to the long term interests of the nation. Most of our problems are in-house.

 

[VCheng]

This is just one more reason we need elections soon.

Or a few more incidents, some closer to home, will galvanize the nation to stand behind their military, as always, in support of increased security. Perhaps.

 

[kingQamaR]

Look, I have no issues with law abiding citizens doesn't matter if they are pashtun, Baloch, Kashmiri, Sindhi or whatever

Whatbyou are trying to say! i understand that.

there are extreme elements in every society and its our job to point it out. i agree.

But saying its solely balouchs and pashtuns the problem of pakistan then you cant be more wrong. Punjab has tlp and sindh has their extreme elements. but i dont want to turn this into nationalism debate. we all have our own monsters.
But i was only pointing out the fact that how easy it is misuse these 5%.

And yes the GHQ is to blame, why cant they be held accountable? I mean raise your voice and ask what they have done ?
you are either labeled ghaadar or jailed.
Tell me what other institution have broken the constitution so many times by imposing marshal law. So yes they have a massive share in blaming. i will never blame punjab, they are innocent people getting on with their lives.

The army can go guns blazing again and hope for a different result is absolutely absurd. its like reinventing the wheel again.
My bet carry out only IBOs .
Ttp is an idea, and trust me you can’t beat and idea with guns. kill one more take place.
Ideas are bullet proof but they are not unforgotable.

Being a Pakistani, we know very well who is responsible for this mess. No doubt if the pak Government (military) & Afghan government after soviet war rehabilitated the Taliban ( then mujahideen) with Education, Homes etc, things would’ve been different. Now we are fighting a costly war, biggest mistake done by then ruler mushraf !!! It has been a decade since the war on terror, the results are a mix bag with a huge price. Well I hope we learn a lesson this time. Pashtuns must never ever again let themselves be used like pawns and then discarded and blamed others mistakes . And some of the comments on here have been a damn right disgrace to the patriotic Pashtuns.

 

[Gripen9]

Introspection starts from individual to family and then into society. The blame game ends before it starts when individuals themselves take responsibility. It’s easy to blame anyone, but blaming doesn’t bring back the ones who have passed away.

60 or so families have been affected badly. The whole families became victims, not just individuals.

So your solution is..."our thoughts and prayers for the deceased..." until the next time this happens again.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Introspection starts from individual to family and then into society. The blame game ends before it starts when individuals themselves take responsibility. It’s easy to blame anyone, but blaming doesn’t bring back the ones who have passed away.

60 or so families have been affected badly. The whole families became victims, not just individuals.

Introspection for everyone? Why the heck common people should introspect - what do they do , stop praying now? You clearly want the entire freakin nation to be included just so that the few guilty culprits can be saved from accountability. I don’t know what your background is, but in professional corporations when there is a huge failure, we don’t delve in vague and non result oriented suggestions like ‘introspection for everyone’ rather the exact failure is determined and the main culprits are disciplined or let go, reforms done - those who ignore it the beast of capitalistic and competition based economy will chew them off over time anyway.

@VCheng
I am afraid the way this country is being run this doesn’t look like any failure at all.

 

[Signalian]

So your solution is..."our thoughts and prayers for the deceased..." until the next time this happens again.

Introspection for everyone? Why the heck common people should introspect - what do they do , stop praying now? You clearly want the entire freakin nation to be included just so that the few guilty culprits can be saved from accountability. I don’t know what your background is, but in professional corporations when there is a huge failure, we don’t delve in vague and non result oriented suggestions like ‘introspection for everyone’ rather the exact failure is determined and the main culprits are disciplined or let go, reforms done - those who ignore it the beast of capitalistic and competition based economy will chew them off over time anyway.

@VCheng
I am afraid the way this country is being run this doesn’t look like any failure at all.

You can dissect the whole incident with me and then jump on the “blame game” wagon.

That ought to do it

 

[TheDarkKnight]

You can dissect the whole incident with me and then jump on the “blame game” wagon.

That ought to do it

Oh sorry lets have all 8 billion people of the whole world ‘introspect’ then, after all terrorism is a global problem. There is no need to hurt anyones career, after all its just 50 poor namazis. Lagay raho.

 

[Signalian]

Oh sorry lets have all 8 billion people of the whole world ‘introspect’ then, after all terrorism is a global problem. There is no need to hurt anyones career, after all its just 50 poor namazis. Lagay raho.

Are you going to dissect the incident or talk rubbish as usual ?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

No establishment is to blame.

No establishment is to blame. Zulfiqar was their pupet. What power did he hold.
That’s completely false, thats the propaganda fed to the people that pakistan existence is at stake, thats total bs.
Thats how they used these pashtuns as cannon fodder. No one there was educated, it was so easy to pollute their minds.


Then why anything didn’t happen he was in power. Dont be so naive!

Lol
establishment did the right thing..in 70s to take on the Soviet influence on kàbul.
You must be a 14 year old to not understand the consequences of being sandwiched between a soviet backed Afghanistan and societ backed india.

Many non pashtuns were part of the campaign..naturally more pashtun as they shared the border
Soviets crossed our borders and attacked us.. you are a fcking ignorant clown with only jibberish to sell.

 

[imadul]

So your solution is..."our thoughts and prayers for the deceased..." until the next time this happens again.

Ignore @Signalian
He is unsufferable analysis paralysis


اب بھائی مجھے ایک اور منفی پوائنٹ دے گا۔
اگرچہ کچھ تجزیے تو میں پسند کرتا ہوں۔

میں زہر ہلاہل کو کبھی کہ نہ سکا قند

 

[KaiserX]

Lol
establishment did the right thing..in 70s to take on the Soviet influence on kàbul.
You must be a 14 year old to not understand the consequences of being sandwiched between a soviet backed Afghanistan and society backed india.

Many non pashtuns were part of the campaign..naturally more pashtun as they shared the border
Soviets crossed our borders and attacked us.. you are a fcking ignorant clown with only jibberish to sell.

Agreed you cant blame Zia for helping the afghans/mujahadeen. The Russians/Soviets are 10000x more ruthless. They have been ruled by mongols and rule others the same way.

Had Zia not helped we would have had blood bath in cities of Pakistan to the likes of which we could never imagine.

Thus that excuse is very minimal and usually used by leftist in pak as a generic reasoning to terrorism. The problem is much much deeper and broader than that.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Are you going to dissect the incident or talk rubbish as usual ?

Dissect the incident? You want me to go to Peshawar and give you a detailed report of the incident now?
Hey you know what, I will just ‘introspect’. I take my words back, everyone is doing a wonderful job.

 

[Signalian]

Ignore @Signalian
He is unsufferable analysis paralysis


اب بھائی مجھے ایک اور منفی پوائنٹ دے گا۔
اگرچہ کچھ تجزیے تو میں پسند کرتا ہوں۔

میں زہر ہلاہل کو کبھی کہ نہ سکا قند

If you have enough information on the incident, why don’t you go ahead step by step and re create the incident and what measures could have been taken.

Dissect the incident?

Yes, coz buk buk karna asaan hay, just like blaming and pointing fingers. That’s what this thread has become.

If you really think (based on an analysis or just on the surface thinking) that any department or organisation is to be blamed or for that sake any individual is to blamed for this ; you can blame and keep blaming in every thread you post however, when it’s certain that Govt isn’t doing enough then the common man has to think on his own since the cavalry is late in arriving when all the damage bern done.

That’s how all the “spects” start.

 

[SaadH]

Obviously incompetent if you haven't noticed their track record including the current political disaster or basically anything they touch

I mean no disrespect to my country but their attempts to lead in good faith did more harm than good in most aspects.

TTP had control of large amounts of areas in Pakistan and was lighting up the capital and Karachi regularly at one point - it's not no establishment proxy because even they struggled against it

We all had the same naivete with regards to MQM, i.e. they control large parts of Karachi and dislodging them would be impossible for the military and that India will invade. But it turned out they were military's B team all along.