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The prevailing narrative – and it’s worth finding out from where it has sprung up and how it has spread like a virus – is ‘isolation’. We are alone in the region and relations with the United States, godfather to our various elites, are frayed.

What’s responsible for this dread isolation? Our jihad predilection of course – the soft corner for all the musketeers of jihad, Hafiz Saeed, Maulana Masood Azhar, the Haqqanis et al – and who’s responsible for this fatal course? Why, the army of course, and since it is Gen Raheel Sharif leading the army the subtle message is that it all comes down to him. It really is his fault.

Most ordinary Pakistanis may look upon the general as a hero for leading from the front and being a decisive commander…rolling back the tide of radical Islamism in Fata and restoring a semblance of peace to Karachi. But circles close to the ruling party, the PML-N, are painting him – ever so subtly – as the father of isolationism.

India, with some help from the US, started the raag of cross-border terrorism after the attack on the Uri military base in Occupied Kashmir. This raag was for international consumption. But its most telling effect was on Pakistan where suddenly from different corners there arose dire cries of Pakistan’s ‘isolation’.

The truth of this isolation few people have bothered to dissect. Isolated from whom? India? It’s a laughable proposition. Afghanistan? When were we on the best of terms with that perennial battlefield of a country whose problems if America couldn’t solve Pakistan certainly can’t? We can send all our tanks and F-16s to Afghanistan but it lies not in our power to bring peace to that country. They call it ‘the graveyard of empires’. Since when did Pakistan become the custodian of such graveyards?

The US is unhappy with us not because of India or anything like the Uri attack but because of the defeat of its ambitions in Afghanistan. Is Pakistan responsible for this American failure? If it were we should be flattered but it’s not true. The Haqqanis were of course based in North Waziristan but after Zarb-e-Azb they no longer are, not that many people will believe this. More to the point, the problems of Afghanistan cannot be reduced to just the Haqqani faction. Those problems are bigger than the Haqqanis.

India is understandably angry about the Uri attack. We would be angry too if 18 of our soldiers were killed in a similar happening. But it’s also true that India’s real problem is not an isolated attack but the restive, explosive situation in Occupied Kashmir as a whole. The Kashmiris are sick and tired of Indian rule. How can Pakistan solve this problem for India? Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood Azhar can be transported to the Andaman Islands but angry mobs in Kashmir will still come out to protest Indian atrocities. Can Pakistan, even if it wanted to, fix this problem?

So let’s not magnify the isolationist bogey. We could improve relations with Iran, that’s for sure. But there are no peace conquests to be made with India and Afghanistan. And there’s nothing Pakistan can do at this juncture to placate our American friends. They need a scapegoat to blame for their Afghan failure and no one fits this bill better than Pakistan. So let’s not worry our heads too much about American irritation or anger. Pakistan is not a popular flavour in Washington at this time. We should be able to live with this.

So who’s peddling the line that things are going wrong on the foreign policy front and Pakistan faces isolation? Elements in the government. And because the army command is being held responsible for these failures, this tack, suddenly so pronounced, amounts to an indirect assault on the army…a chance to get back at the army command for all the acute discomfort caused to the government over the last three years by Gen Raheel Sharif’s public standing…his popular hero status. But there is also a more pragmatic angle to this line of attack.

As Gen Raheel’s retirement draws nearer, and the question of appointing his successor comes to the fore, raising an alarm over Pakistan’s purported drift towards isolationism at the army’s hands is a way for the government to claw back space and freedom to appoint its own man as the next army chief.

One Raheel Sharif has been enough for the Sharifs. They can do without another, especially when they face a serious challenge from Imran Khan, and the outlook for the next elections in 2018 has begun to weigh on their minds.

The Sharifs have won most of their other battles. The PPP, their onetime serious rival, is no longer a threat. The Supreme Court they successfully assaulted and tamed way back in 1998. Two problematic presidents they were able to see the last of, Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Farooq Leghari. The art of controlling the bureaucracy no one knows better than them. But they haven’t found a solution to two problems: 1) Imran Khan and 2) the army.

Imran, always a thorn in their side, is their biggest political threat now. The march on Islamabad set for the 30th of this month could turn into anything…we don’t know. But it would have been noticed that the government’s friends in the media sound worried, especially after Imran’s grand show of strength outside Raiwind on Sep 30. Even the ruling party’s regular fixtures, its brass band of cheerleaders, so ready to turn their guns on Imran have gone relatively quiet…all because of the Raiwind jalsa. If he could pull that one off what might he not be able to do in Islamabad? There is thus a tremor, a fear of the unknown, in the air.

And the Sharifs have not managed to appoint a loyalist with whom they could feel comfortable as army chief. This is one disappointment which rankles. So this is their last chance to fix the problem and they don’t want to get it wrong. A whispering campaign against Gen Raheel has already started and there has been news of a top-level meeting where purportedly the ISI’s jihadi policies, and their contribution to Pakistan’s purported isolation, came under harsh scrutiny.

The details of this meeting almost suggest that the army was in the dock and assuming the role of chief invigilator and inquisitor was the intrepid chief minister of Punjab.

The foreign policy debate is thus a cover and a smokescreen. Behind it is being played the game that matters for the ruling clan the most: ensuring their own man, and not Gen Raheel’s choice, in General Headquarters.

This whole question has broader implications. Once it is settled to the Sharifs’ satisfaction they would be in a better position to meet and fend off the challenge from Imran Khan. Their flanks would be covered, their confidence would revive and the Panama revelations of the ruling family’s offshore wealth would be consigned to that deep underground chamber where Pakistan’s unresolved mysteries lie buried.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156389-Blame-it-on-Raheel

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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian general overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.
 
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I strongly believe that Gen. Raheel shouldn't over through the government. Rather he should have maintained his influence on other government departments that he failed to do throughout his tenure.
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.

The Yemen decision wasn't his

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...entering-yemen-conflict?0p19G=e?client=safari

Iran is at Pakistani border. Not wise to choose sides b/w those two nations. We don't need even more Sunni-Shia divide.
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.
I agree on many aspects but beg to differ on the Yemen part. It was the first time Pakistan actually took a stand. That war was never ours to begin with so why should we sacrifice for it just to get few dollars in return? This popular notion that PA is available for rent needed to be dispensed and I for one am glad that it was done.
Gen Raheel should had forced re elections after rigging was proved but he chose not too. I think the reason was to not let Sharifs become martyrs like they always do. What the army can do however is to make sure the next elections are not conducted the way the previous ones were and biomatric system should be incorporated and Pakistanis living abroad should be allowed to cast vote. Both these things will prove a major game changer in the 2018 elections and if army can get it implemented than hats off to them. My 2 cents.
 
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The only province where the army hasn't taken anti militant action is Punjab and we know why.

Army is involved in KP/FATA where TTP has been almost defeated and disrupted. army is fighting BLA militants and others in Baluchistan and we fervently hope that similar success, like in KP/FATA comes their way.

Army Rangers are involved in clean up operations in Sindh and esp. Karachi where they have had successes but more work is needed.

Army has made many recommendations to the PM/Punjab CM but they both have resisted the army's pressure so far because everyone knows about PMLN links to these groups.

yes indeed, blame it on Raheel...!!!
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.
The political establishment have cried foul everytime that they were never given any chance, that the involvement in politics by the military is the cause why the system is weak in Pakistan. They have declared themselves victims every time and during democratic rule they have enjoyed popularity because of it. The Bhutto family is a prime example. The decision to not intevene and let these issue be solved through political means was the right one. Now they have no excuse nor can they blame the military for their incompetency.

The decision to stay away from Yemen was not just taken by military but also the parliament, and glad that we didn't join the saudis. It takes a lot of courage to say no to one of your allies, especially when you throughout history have sworn to protect it in case of an attack on it's soil. Look at Yemen now, despite all their money and advanced weaponry they have achieved $hit. Anti-saud sentiment is stronger in Yemen now then ever. No amount of money and military equipment is worth dropping bombs on innocent civilians. Our military is not a mercenary.
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.

I respectfully disagree.

The army is not a one man institution but a bunch of professionals. I admit the top leadership is self centered and has made many mistakes but the biggest in my opinion is removing an elected government. The constant meddling since the 1960s has weakened Pakistan's civil institutions and though the USA was distracted recently and therefore may not have isolated the country post coup. The damage done to ourselves would have been long lasting, it would have handed our enemies another and a very powerful stick to beat us with. We are a maligned nation, mostly for the political and economic expediency of the powerful nations, but we are also our own worst enemies.

I am no fan of the Sharifs, too small minded, too hilly billy, too corrupt to be the leaders of a potentially great and wealthy nation, but they are still better than the PPP, simply because of good luck or better policies the economy of PK is on the up curve, and for PK this is what is needed, a solid growth in the economy: more jobs, more taxes, more development, more for the armed forces - training, new equipment, new intelligence.

As for Yemen, I was torn between the request made by our ally and fellow brother Muslim country and getting into the quagmire of shia-sunni-wahabi conflict, esp when we are right next door to the spiritual and military home of the Shia part of this triangle. We simply cannot have three hot borders.
 
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The prevailing narrative – and it’s worth finding out from where it has sprung up and how it has spread like a virus – is ‘isolation’. We are alone in the region and relations with the United States, godfather to our various elites, are frayed.

What’s responsible for this dread isolation? Our jihad predilection of course – the soft corner for all the musketeers of jihad, Hafiz Saeed, Maulana Masood Azhar, the Haqqanis et al – and who’s responsible for this fatal course? Why, the army of course, and since it is Gen Raheel Sharif leading the army the subtle message is that it all comes down to him. It really is his fault.

Most ordinary Pakistanis may look upon the general as a hero for leading from the front and being a decisive commander…rolling back the tide of radical Islamism in Fata and restoring a semblance of peace to Karachi. But circles close to the ruling party, the PML-N, are painting him – ever so subtly – as the father of isolationism.

India, with some help from the US, started the raag of cross-border terrorism after the attack on the Uri military base in Occupied Kashmir. This raag was for international consumption. But its most telling effect was on Pakistan where suddenly from different corners there arose dire cries of Pakistan’s ‘isolation’.

The truth of this isolation few people have bothered to dissect. Isolated from whom? India? It’s a laughable proposition. Afghanistan? When were we on the best of terms with that perennial battlefield of a country whose problems if America couldn’t solve Pakistan certainly can’t? We can send all our tanks and F-16s to Afghanistan but it lies not in our power to bring peace to that country. They call it ‘the graveyard of empires’. Since when did Pakistan become the custodian of such graveyards?

The US is unhappy with us not because of India or anything like the Uri attack but because of the defeat of its ambitions in Afghanistan. Is Pakistan responsible for this American failure? If it were we should be flattered but it’s not true. The Haqqanis were of course based in North Waziristan but after Zarb-e-Azb they no longer are, not that many people will believe this. More to the point, the problems of Afghanistan cannot be reduced to just the Haqqani faction. Those problems are bigger than the Haqqanis.

India is understandably angry about the Uri attack. We would be angry too if 18 of our soldiers were killed in a similar happening. But it’s also true that India’s real problem is not an isolated attack but the restive, explosive situation in Occupied Kashmir as a whole. The Kashmiris are sick and tired of Indian rule. How can Pakistan solve this problem for India? Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood Azhar can be transported to the Andaman Islands but angry mobs in Kashmir will still come out to protest Indian atrocities. Can Pakistan, even if it wanted to, fix this problem?

So let’s not magnify the isolationist bogey. We could improve relations with Iran, that’s for sure. But there are no peace conquests to be made with India and Afghanistan. And there’s nothing Pakistan can do at this juncture to placate our American friends. They need a scapegoat to blame for their Afghan failure and no one fits this bill better than Pakistan. So let’s not worry our heads too much about American irritation or anger. Pakistan is not a popular flavour in Washington at this time. We should be able to live with this.

So who’s peddling the line that things are going wrong on the foreign policy front and Pakistan faces isolation? Elements in the government. And because the army command is being held responsible for these failures, this tack, suddenly so pronounced, amounts to an indirect assault on the army…a chance to get back at the army command for all the acute discomfort caused to the government over the last three years by Gen Raheel Sharif’s public standing…his popular hero status. But there is also a more pragmatic angle to this line of attack.

As Gen Raheel’s retirement draws nearer, and the question of appointing his successor comes to the fore, raising an alarm over Pakistan’s purported drift towards isolationism at the army’s hands is a way for the government to claw back space and freedom to appoint its own man as the next army chief.

One Raheel Sharif has been enough for the Sharifs. They can do without another, especially when they face a serious challenge from Imran Khan, and the outlook for the next elections in 2018 has begun to weigh on their minds.

The Sharifs have won most of their other battles. The PPP, their onetime serious rival, is no longer a threat. The Supreme Court they successfully assaulted and tamed way back in 1998. Two problematic presidents they were able to see the last of, Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Farooq Leghari. The art of controlling the bureaucracy no one knows better than them. But they haven’t found a solution to two problems: 1) Imran Khan and 2) the army.

Imran, always a thorn in their side, is their biggest political threat now. The march on Islamabad set for the 30th of this month could turn into anything…we don’t know. But it would have been noticed that the government’s friends in the media sound worried, especially after Imran’s grand show of strength outside Raiwind on Sep 30. Even the ruling party’s regular fixtures, its brass band of cheerleaders, so ready to turn their guns on Imran have gone relatively quiet…all because of the Raiwind jalsa. If he could pull that one off what might he not be able to do in Islamabad? There is thus a tremor, a fear of the unknown, in the air.

And the Sharifs have not managed to appoint a loyalist with whom they could feel comfortable as army chief. This is one disappointment which rankles. So this is their last chance to fix the problem and they don’t want to get it wrong. A whispering campaign against Gen Raheel has already started and there has been news of a top-level meeting where purportedly the ISI’s jihadi policies, and their contribution to Pakistan’s purported isolation, came under harsh scrutiny.

The details of this meeting almost suggest that the army was in the dock and assuming the role of chief invigilator and inquisitor was the intrepid chief minister of Punjab.

The foreign policy debate is thus a cover and a smokescreen. Behind it is being played the game that matters for the ruling clan the most: ensuring their own man, and not Gen Raheel’s choice, in General Headquarters.

This whole question has broader implications. Once it is settled to the Sharifs’ satisfaction they would be in a better position to meet and fend off the challenge from Imran Khan. Their flanks would be covered, their confidence would revive and the Panama revelations of the ruling family’s offshore wealth would be consigned to that deep underground chamber where Pakistan’s unresolved mysteries lie buried.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156389-Blame-it-on-Raheel

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Ahan, good info. Nice topic you brought up! The reality is that Pakistan is faring well and is rolling with some of the best people in the world. It is quality vs quantity, we don't need trash hanging around us.
 
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Hi,

The general was informed around 1 1/2 years ago what was coming---. He missed his first opportunity when the egyptian gemneral overthrew the govt---. Gen Raheel could have ridden that wave---the U S was cornered---.

But Gen Sahib wanted to be a NICE guy---or you can say---a man without a tactical strategical and futuristic insight. He was never a commander in chief material.

He did not need to come into power---but should have forced re-election.

Then he stayed away from the Yemen crisis---. That would have been a game changer for Pakistan financially and militarily---but he cowered as most pakistani generals do---a nice and a wonderful guy---but committed many a tactical blunders one after the other---.

The opportunity missed during PTI and PAT dharna of getting rid of corrupt noonie elite has come to haunt COAS and Army. Noonies will never learn, will never change. They are rotten to the core. They managed to establish links with hostile agencies including raw and CIA during their extradition period. These hostile agencies paved way and forced General Musharraf to commit biggest tactical blunder by introducing NRO and that decision has bedeviled Pakistan for almost a decade now and may continue to do so. Noonies have managed to create an electoral system in collaboration with PPP through 18th amendment which has resulted in an electoral process which will always ensure punjab with PML (N) and Sindh with PPP, Even if great Quaid runs for election against noonies, Quaid will fail. Intelligence agencies failed to read and act in time. I consider it the failure of our intelligence agencies that how come they allowed such corrupt people to malign and damage Pakistan. The focus of ISI is only on counter intelligence. It has failed to understand the broadened scope of intelligence agencies in 4th generation warfare. It has failed to spread its tentacles in all organs of state to check warfare in the field of economy, sports, culture, MEDIA.

It is failure of intelligence agencies that they could not handle people like asma jahangir, hamid mir, najam sethi etc and organizations like geo, dawn news. Even worse, it could not control noonie media cell being run by PM's daughter in PM house against armed forces.

Another event that may happen is that noonies will try to create an explosive situation leading to mutiny or discord among the rank and file of Armed forces by installing a below par or a far junior or compromising Army chief in a more deceptive and organized manner like they planned to do when they removed General Musharraf and installed Gen. Ziauddin Butt.

Even today, all is not lost. 30th October PTI dharna is an opportunity in which agencies should manipulate the situation and bring in a national government for 3 years i.e. Bangladesh model. During this period, establishment should purge all such organizations and its members who pose a direct security and ideological threat to Pakistan.

Finally, while saving the reputation of his family, COAS may end up tarnishing the reputation of Pakistan and Army which is a far bigger family then his own.
 
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The opportunity missed during PTI and PAT dharna of getting rid of corrupt noonie elite has come to haunt COAS and Army. Noonies will never learn, will never change. They are rotten to the core. They managed to establish links with hostile agencies including raw and CIA during their extradition period. These hostile agencies paved way and forced General Musharraf to commit biggest tactical blunder by introducing NRO and that decision has bedeviled Pakistan for almost a decade now and may continue to do so. Noonies have managed to create an electoral system in collaboration with PPP through 18th amendment which has resulted in an electoral process which will always ensure punjab with PML (N) and Sindh with PPP, Even if great Quaid runs for election against noonies, Quaid will fail. Intelligence agencies failed to read and act in time. I consider it the failure of our intelligence agencies that how come they allowed such corrupt people to malign and damage Pakistan. The focus of ISI is only on counter intelligence. It has failed to understand the broadened scope of intelligence agencies in 4th generation warfare. It has failed to spread its tentacles in all organs of state to check warfare in the field of economy, sports, culture, MEDIA.

It is failure of intelligence agencies that they could not handle people like asma jahangir, hamid mir, najam sethi etc and organizations like geo, dawn news. Even worse, it could not control noonie media cell being run by PM's daughter in PM house against armed forces.

Another event that may happen is that noonies will try to create an explosive situation leading to mutiny or discord among the rank and file of Armed forces by installing a below par or a far junior or compromising Army chief in a more deceptive and organized manner like they planned to do when they removed General Musharraf and installed Gen. Ziauddin Butt.

Even today, all is not lost. 30th October PTI dharna is an opportunity in which agencies should manipulate the situation and bring in a national government for 3 years i.e. Bangladesh model. During this period, establishment should purge all such organizations and its members who pose a direct security and ideological threat to Pakistan.

Finally, while saving the reputation of his family, COAS may end up tarnishing the reputation of Pakistan and Army which is a far bigger family then his own.
I think we need to decide as a nation once and for all what we want. Governance and corruption has gone hand in hand evefy where in the world. Corruption may be of multiple kinds but corruption it remains. The western governments engage in it and we have seen multiple examples of it in France, UK, USAto name a few. It gets publicised and people get riled up but no one shouts for the army to come in and shoot the basket cases.
The grave of a politician is the ballot box. I think it has been very smart strategy to not allow the marsh mallows of Pakistani politics to become martyrs. Political roughage needs to be flushed down the political toilet. This is the only way for this dross to get cleared out.
If you are in the hot chair you want to ensure you are llowed to get on and do whtever you want in which ever way you want. Any hinderance needs to be dealt with. So why do people blame the Shareefs for taking care of their own.
The army has not been without its faults and the problem with the army has always been one of complacency and mukk muka to get by. What did the army achieve in governamce and why are all these crooks still in power which seeems to permeate down the chain. Because the army also needs crooks to run the affairs of the state. The fact remains that the army rule is indirectly responsible for the continuance of the sme names and their crooked policies.I would have been a lot more happierif the army had come in and disposed of permanently all the crooked politicians and left after having reset the system. It clearly chose to not do so and therefore in my humble opinion failed the very purpose for which it allegedly took over power.
Raheel Shareef has followed in the foot steps of Kiyani in allowing the politicians to wollow in their own muddy bath tubs and come out with their bpackened faces to ask the people for votes. The ballot is what they fear and so the army should allow them to cace their worst fear.
As to Yemen it was a good move to keep out. I have looked back at history and all of the forays into foreign lands for 0ersonal gain has resulted in long term harm to the country, Afghanistan(no matter how unwillingly) is a good example. So all in all the game has heen played well and I hope 2018 will tell us whether we have stepped forwarsld or taken a step back. Till then let the rumour mills reign supreme.
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I think we need to decide as a nation once and for all what we want.

Sir, after 70 years, it is clear that Pakistan has already decided what it wants. That is why we have the system we do, including what you say here:

Because the army also needs crooks to run the affairs of the state. The fact remains that the army rule is indirectly responsible for the continuance of the same names and their crooked policies.

As an example, NS is a creation of General Zia's time. The list goes on. I would even remove the word "indirectly". The Army is directly responsible for the state of affairs today. It is an integral part of the crook's cabal that holds power in Pakistan.

As to Yemen it was a good move to keep out.

Except that Pakistan's involvement is indirect at present, and not acknowledged thus far. Let the commitments already made be made public and one would understand.
 
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