Blackwater's Pakistan mission (and related news)
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Conspiracy theorists are not wrong all the times, many times their theory is right but lacks proof as alot of things happen secretly without leaving any kind of proofs. Sometimes proofs are infront but people don't realize it to be true and still think its just a theory.
Just take the example of JFK assassination. Any layman if watches the Zapruder film will say that yeah he was shot in the head from the front side, but Americans most of them & their govt came up with the excuse that Oswald shot him from behind, even refusing the other so many facts presented to nullify this Oswald theory. So conspiracies are there, some in theory form to be true but lacks proofs, while some theories become facts once proofs are unearthed.
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Yet few weeks ago people on this forum (including mods and think-tanks) discarded this notion by associating it with conspiracy theory
My intention is not mud-slinging, but before we discard anything as conspiracy theory, a pragmatic approach taken on the subject isn't so bad.
My intention is not mud-slinging, but before we discard anything as conspiracy theory, a pragmatic approach taken on the subject isn't so bad.
Again, what does it matter which since we already knew in 2006 that drones were being launched from Pakistan and even before that knew that the GoP did not stop drone strikes because they allowed them? What exactly is the new news here?
The conspiracy theory is that BW or CIA is involved in terrorist attacks.
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yes my friend it does matters... they are doing different activities on our land, like bombing and all other terrorist activities.. they are buying different places in our country.. but our govt. is not taking any action..
yes my friend it does matters... they are doing different activities on our land, like bombing and all other terrorist activities.. they are buying different places in our country.. but our govt. is not taking any action..
So, you don't like BW working for CIA, but ok with just CIA?
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Ok.... it is too early to comment on CIA's new card.
When we complain or talk about black water it means those who attacked ISI officers in Islamabad, plus hiring of local staff running training camps and assisting TTP in urban areas for carrying out terrorist attacks.
We talk about black water who arrived in chartered planes and escorted to unknown places by islamabad police. They never underwent any custom / security checks.
We talk about black water for which our us ambassador secured arms liscences.
Matter of concern is not only black water but some one is assisting anti state elements getting in higher positions within civil administration, specially NGO's are infested with anti Pakistan elements.
Honestly, we care less about who hang hell fire to drones. The day Blackwater announce vaccancies for pushto spaeking retired armymen on their website it was wide open.
IMO, US does not need assasination machines for such jobs, let me put it this way loading missiles is a different job than what black water is trained for.
Having said that, i'm not denying that man power is not used to load hell fires .
I say, this is just a counter move by CIA followed by unwilling statements from civil govt. about involvement of CIA in terrorist activities in Islamabad.
We have to watch next how much headlines this news occupy... i can already link recent Zardari statement requesting US embassy to start respecting Pakistan law with this admission.
At the same time we all know in what way Pakistan law has been bent on daily basis, which has tainted the image of free judiciary.
I have no doubts that recent Lahore incident involving hundred witnesses worried CJ as he risk his reputation.
When we complain or talk about black water it means those who attacked ISI officers in Islamabad, plus hiring of local staff running training camps and assisting TTP in urban areas for carrying out terrorist attacks.
We talk about black water who arrived in chartered planes and escorted to unknown places by islamabad police. They never underwent any custom / security checks.
We talk about black water for which our us ambassador secured arms liscences.
Matter of concern is not only black water but some one is assisting anti state elements getting in higher positions within civil administration, specially NGO's are infested with anti Pakistan elements.
Honestly, we care less about who hang hell fire to drones. The day Blackwater announce vaccancies for pushto spaeking retired armymen on their website it was wide open.
IMO, US does not need assasination machines for such jobs, let me put it this way loading missiles is a different job than what black water is trained for.
Having said that, i'm not denying that man power is not used to load hell fires .
I say, this is just a counter move by CIA followed by unwilling statements from civil govt. about involvement of CIA in terrorist activities in Islamabad.
We have to watch next how much headlines this news occupy... i can already link recent Zardari statement requesting US embassy to start respecting Pakistan law with this admission.
At the same time we all know in what way Pakistan law has been bent on daily basis, which has tainted the image of free judiciary.
I have no doubts that recent Lahore incident involving hundred witnesses worried CJ as he risk his reputation.
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Rehman Malik should resign Now as he said if Blackwater was present in Pakistan i will resign
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No Blackwater in Pakistan, insists Malik
Published: December 14, 2009
GUJRANWALA (Online) Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Sunday again maintained that Blackwater is not operating in Pakistan rather it is active in Afghanistan and Iraq only.
Talking to journalists in Gujranwala, Rehman Malik said Pakistan had virtually broken the backbone of terrorists. He went on to say that the world would have to take serious notice of the violations being committed by terrorists. He said the war against terrorism could not be won unless local traitors and political elements supporting terrorists were not identified and punished. He praised religious figures from all schools of thought for issuing decrees against suicide attacks. The war against terrorism would continue till the elimination of last terrorist, he added.
He further added that 50 per cent terrorists belong to banned Al-Qaeeda, Lashkar-i-Jhangavi, Jaish Muhammad, etc.
No Blackwater in Pakistan, insists Malik | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
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So is Malik lying about Blackwater?
Published: December 14, 2009
GUJRANWALA (Online) Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Sunday again maintained that Blackwater is not operating in Pakistan rather it is active in Afghanistan and Iraq only.
Talking to journalists in Gujranwala, Rehman Malik said Pakistan had virtually broken the backbone of terrorists. He went on to say that the world would have to take serious notice of the violations being committed by terrorists. He said the war against terrorism could not be won unless local traitors and political elements supporting terrorists were not identified and punished. He praised religious figures from all schools of thought for issuing decrees against suicide attacks. The war against terrorism would continue till the elimination of last terrorist, he added.
He further added that 50 per cent terrorists belong to banned Al-Qaeeda, Lashkar-i-Jhangavi, Jaish Muhammad, etc.
No Blackwater in Pakistan, insists Malik | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
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So is Malik lying about Blackwater?
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It would be bordering on a slapstick comedy routine if the issue was not so serious. The daily drama we are witnessing in Islamabad and Lahore of US nationals in four wheelers with tinted glasses breaking the law and refusing to submit themselves to the law enforcement authorities. Without IDs but often with prohibitive bore weapons (without licenses), these Americans are held for a few hours and then released unconditionally after pressure from unknown Pakistani sources and the US embassy and consulate. At a time when not only the founder of Blackwater, but also the CIA, have both admitted that this company is working in Pakistan and till now was in cahoots with the CIA itself; questions are being raised about why US nationals are deliberately indulging in this game of brinkmanship with the law of the land - almost deliberately drawing attention to themselves. Is this mere muscle flexing to send a message to the Pakistani public at large about US power and penetration in their country? Or is there something more to it all?
Before looking into this question, two points also need to be made about Interior Minister Rehman Malik. First, he had committed to resigning if the presence of Blackwater could be proven in Pakistan. Well, if the CIA itself is saying they were working with this company in Pakistan, there should be no need for any other proof! On a more important note, though, Mr Malik has offered some ridiculous explanation as to why the Pakistani law enforcement agencies cant do anything to the Americans breaking the law in Pakistan. This is simply not correct factually in terms of international law and diplomatic practices. First, even diplomats carrying their IDs can be stopped by police and searched - they cant be prosecuted for a crime unless they waive off their immunity. But more important, those with no IDs and with no diplomatic immunity can certainly be stopped, searched, arrested and charged under the law of Pakistan. Merely working for the US embassy or Consulate does not give diplomatic immunity to the person concerned. In fact, many US nationals working for their government do not have diplomatic status and therefore immunity, including most of their covert operatives. Certainly the private security company personnel have no diplomatic immunity at all, even though the US diplomats may constantly be coming to their rescue. Legally, though, they can only ensure that their non-diplomatic detained citizens get access to legal services and are looked after properly. They cant compel the Pakistani authorities to release them. Equally important, in legal terms, is the fact that even US diplomats with the immunity can only publicly carry arms if they have been permitted to do so by the host government. So Mr Malik should stop covering up for what now clearly seems to be an acquiescence by the Interior Ministry to these armed activities of US nationals - many of them neither US officials nor diplomats.
There is a dangerous design to it | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
It would be bordering on a slapstick comedy routine if the issue was not so serious. The daily drama we are witnessing in Islamabad and Lahore of US nationals in four wheelers with tinted glasses breaking the law and refusing to submit themselves to the law enforcement authorities. Without IDs but often with prohibitive bore weapons (without licenses), these Americans are held for a few hours and then released unconditionally after pressure from unknown Pakistani sources and the US embassy and consulate. At a time when not only the founder of Blackwater, but also the CIA, have both admitted that this company is working in Pakistan and till now was in cahoots with the CIA itself; questions are being raised about why US nationals are deliberately indulging in this game of brinkmanship with the law of the land - almost deliberately drawing attention to themselves. Is this mere muscle flexing to send a message to the Pakistani public at large about US power and penetration in their country? Or is there something more to it all?
Before looking into this question, two points also need to be made about Interior Minister Rehman Malik. First, he had committed to resigning if the presence of Blackwater could be proven in Pakistan. Well, if the CIA itself is saying they were working with this company in Pakistan, there should be no need for any other proof! On a more important note, though, Mr Malik has offered some ridiculous explanation as to why the Pakistani law enforcement agencies cant do anything to the Americans breaking the law in Pakistan. This is simply not correct factually in terms of international law and diplomatic practices. First, even diplomats carrying their IDs can be stopped by police and searched - they cant be prosecuted for a crime unless they waive off their immunity. But more important, those with no IDs and with no diplomatic immunity can certainly be stopped, searched, arrested and charged under the law of Pakistan. Merely working for the US embassy or Consulate does not give diplomatic immunity to the person concerned. In fact, many US nationals working for their government do not have diplomatic status and therefore immunity, including most of their covert operatives. Certainly the private security company personnel have no diplomatic immunity at all, even though the US diplomats may constantly be coming to their rescue. Legally, though, they can only ensure that their non-diplomatic detained citizens get access to legal services and are looked after properly. They cant compel the Pakistani authorities to release them. Equally important, in legal terms, is the fact that even US diplomats with the immunity can only publicly carry arms if they have been permitted to do so by the host government. So Mr Malik should stop covering up for what now clearly seems to be an acquiescence by the Interior Ministry to these armed activities of US nationals - many of them neither US officials nor diplomats.
There is a dangerous design to it | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
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