Black Magic and Islam

[Rusty]

On a side note
I grew up with all this magic talk.
and even as a kid I always thought
"my extended family is living in a sewage (downtown Lahore) talking about how magic can do this and that. Why can't they use magi to improve their situation? Why can't the government use magic to modernize? If it's so real and so strong lets use it to our advantage"

now if you say that the magic can only do bad things, then why not use it against our enemies?

 

[Fawadqasim1]

As for dark energy and Dark matter. Those are just place holder names for something we have not found yet.

Exactly we can see the effect ( in this case gravitational pull) but can't see or perceive the cause and yet we name the unknown cause e.g dark matter so
please try to grasp the analogy

 

[hassamun]

On a side note
I grew up with all this magic talk.
and even as a kid I always thought
"my extended family is living in a sewage (downtown Lahore) talking about how magic can do this and that. Why can't they use magi to improve their situation? Why can't the government use magic to modernize? If it's so real and so strong lets use it to our advantage"

now if you say that the magic can only do bad things, then why not use it against our enemies?

Basically you cant put out a fire with another fire...Muslims are extremely prohibited from going towards Magic as its right at the top near Shirk....

That being said Magic is still practised in many Muslim countries...Many people go to such people as well for help...Even this is not allowed...

 

[Fawadqasim1]

On a side note
I grew up with all this magic talk.
and even as a kid I always thought
"my extended family is living in a sewage (downtown Lahore) talking about how magic can do this and that. Why can't they use magi to improve their situation? Why can't the government use magic to modernize? If it's so real and so strong lets use it to our advantage"

now if you say that the magic can only do bad things, then why not use it against our enemies?

Limits everything has it's limits and limitations in this world even a pathogenic bacteria and a nuclear explosion has it's limits.so

 

[JonAsad]

As for dark energy and Dark matter. Those are just place holder names for something we have not found yet.

Its funny having justifications like these on hand for yourself, still you outright reject the existence of magic..

 

[Fawadqasim1]

On a side note
I grew up with all this magic talk.
and even as a kid I always thought
"my extended family is living in a sewage (downtown Lahore) talking about how magic can do this and that. Why can't they use magi to improve their situation? Why can't the government use magic to modernize? If it's so real and so strong lets use it to our advantage"

now if you say that the magic can only do bad things, then why not use it against our enemies?

and bro everything somewhat depends on what you believe in (somewhat).

 

[Cookie Monster]

..... magic isn't real..... /runs away before PDF can beat me up

U muggle

 

[M.Bison]

This brother or sister is going through tough times and he/she needs our well wishes. Instead of doing that you people make this an argument about some bullshit that you have no idea about. I swear the knowledge that we attain nowadays actually make us more stupid than we already are. Gj brothers.

 

[Cookie Monster]

On a side note
I grew up with all this magic talk.
and even as a kid I always thought
"my extended family is living in a sewage (downtown Lahore) talking about how magic can do this and that. Why can't they use magi to improve their situation? Why can't the government use magic to modernize? If it's so real and so strong lets use it to our advantage"

now if you say that the magic can only do bad things, then why not use it against our enemies?

I'm very science oriented myself...meaning I like to see evidence with my own eyes before I believe that some phenomenon exists. However this also means that I can't conclusively say that something doesnt exist just bcuz I haven't witnessed it...as they say "absence of proof isn't proof of absence."

I have always been curious about magic and jinn and other such things...never came across any such thing so far despite trying...but perhaps that's a good thing. In my curiosity if I ever did come across a jinn I would probably sh*t my pants

 

[Placemat]

Does anyone know the best religious scholars or the most Islamic list of steps to take when you suspect a loved one's rapidly progressing illness is because of black magic? What are the list of steps you can take to do away with the black magic?

I think there is no black magic. Islam cannot help with such things and neither can other political thoughts.
Please see a good doctor for causes and remediation.
You can meditate though. It will give your mind some peace.

 

[Rusty]

Its funny having justifications like these on hand for yourself, still you outright reject the existence of magic..

Did you not read the second part?

Exactly we can see the effect ( in this case gravitational pull) but can't see or perceive the cause and yet we name the unknown cause e.g dark energy so
please try to grasp the analogy

Here is a question.

Can you make any predictions from magic?

I can't see gravity, but I can make the prediction that if I jump off a building, I will fall.

Can you say the same?
If I do x then y will happen?

 

[JonAsad]

Did you not read the second part?


Here is a question.

Can you make any predictions from magic?

I can't see gravity, but I can make the prediction that if I jump off a building, I will fall.

Can you say the same?
If I do x then y will happen?

There is way to test or predict.. tu 40 din ka chilla kaat lay bhai..

Did you not read the second part?

Yup..it was just play of words..

 

[Placemat]

The correlation between superstition and any religion is false.
Firstly prayer or meditation in any religious thoughts is designed to give your mind peace by accepting things beyond your control.
Black magic or NY other such superstitions are negative events which activates fear in your mind thus making it restless and thoughts of it being evil.
In reality there are things you cannot change and things you can. If there is an unexplained illness it's just that .. there is no solution to it yet.
Prayer can make you at ease and rationalized. Hope things get better for u OP.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Did you not read the second part?


Here is a question.

Can you make any predictions from magic?

I can't see gravity, but I can make the prediction that if I jump off a building, I will fall.

Can you say the same?
If I do x then y will happen?

1) please read hume for cause and effect.
2)please read my first post in this thread i have advised him to shake his belief in magic haven't i so

and scientific method has its limits you can't apply it blindly to everything e.g subjective perception of qualities or qualia

 

[Cookie Monster]

I think there is no black magic. Islam cannot help with such things and neither can other political thoughts.

Wow I didn't know we had such esteemed Islamic scholars on PDF. U must have arrived at this conclusion after years of thorough study.