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BLA terrorists bomb Jinnah's Ziarat residency museum.

You need to do a bit more research how clandestine operations work. No evidence is left, no names are exchanged.

I am sure you would be willing to bet your life that ISI is behind the different secessionist movements in India, but you have no concrete proof to support that claim. You are more than willing to believe that the State of Pakistan was behind the Mumbai attacks, you believe that Dawood Ibrahim is hiding in Pakistan, but thats just a hunch and you have no proof to support that in the Court of Law. You and me both think that Hafiz Saeed is a menace to society, but there is no proof to implicate him in the Court of Law. If you had proof, you would have taken it to the UN and UNSC and humiliated Pakistan in-front of the world.

We have pictures of Indian diplomats meeting with BLA separatist leaders in Afghanistan. It is just a casual meeting, nothing sinister. But one questions, why is an Indian diplomat meeting with a BLA leader? We showed those pictures to your envoys and the Americans, but not much came out of it. So please, stop it with this 'Holier than thou' and hypocritical attitude and start to accept the reality of life.

If the BLA is really a clandestine operation run by RAW and Mossad(like most Pakistanis claim) that spans decades of operation with no paper trails or prosecutable evidence to pin the blame on us, then more power to the greatest intelligence agencies in the history of mankind!!!

However, the fact that Pakistan has always shied away from tabling any such evidence(not even a single shred, the joint statement at Sharm El-Sheikh would be the last example) or clarified a tangible link to India in any manner whatsoever is very telling indeed.

So what about your vague generalizations? If we go by your alleged photographs that Pakistan claims to have, we will similarly have to concede that the United States of America is the greatest supporter of the BLA given the number of congressional hearings and lobbying for the Baloch cause that occurs out there.

For the time being, no international or Pakistani case has implied the blame on Indian authorities. I recall a missing persons case(not terror related) which was tactfully handled by the Chief Justice;


The chief justice asked the defence counsel if the agencies had any credible information of the involvement of RAW and Mossad, and why they did not take any against them. “We did not bar you from taking action against RAW and Mossad.”


Missing persons: ISI, MI counsel says RAW and Mossad involved – The Express Tribune
 
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In the same way LEJ name is just used to complicate things further the actual culprits are the same for both ziarat and quetta if you read b/w lines carefully.

There's a strange problem , mate .

The suicide bombers and the other techniques used in the entire attack isn't the modus operandi of BLA , it is of the other militant outfits like LeJ and Taliban and their religious psychopaths .
 
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Government ready to hold dialogue with militants: Chaudhary Nisar

QUETTA: Interior Minister Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan said that the government was ready to hold a dialogue with militants to come up with a political solution of issues.

Addressing a press conference after chairing a high level meeting in Quetta on Sunday, June 16, he said that the government believed in dialogue and that it was determined to speak to those who were ready to negotiate. “We cannot hold dialogue with those who are not ready for talk”, he asserted.

The interior minister strongly condemned Quetta's suicide bombings and the attack at the Quaid-e-Azam residency in Ziarat. “Our religion does not allow us to target women and children”, he said. He also mentioned that both Baloch and Pashtoon cultures and values forbid from attacking vulnerable classes of society.

Khan said an important meeting regarding Balochistan was to be held on June 20 in Islamabad to discuss the ways and means to of finding political solutions of issues relating to the militancy-hit province.

“We will announce the policy regarding Balochistan to restore the trust of people”, he concluded and walked out without answering the questions of journalists.

Government ready to hold dialogue with militants: Chaudhary Nisar - DAWN.COM


WTF still talk with these butchers.... Fck man.... itni ghairat to iak kuttay me bhi hoti. BCH
@Aeronautpak @SEAL @Awesome @Pak-one @irfan Khan

ur views. m really pissed off man

Don't worry LeJ and BLA are not interested in dialouge anyway and such statements are necessary to win trust of local people Baluchistan is very complex issue and you can't solve it unless you have local support. Beside we gotta admit the security of Quetta is absolutely $hit, we need to upgrade security and intelligence network and install CCTV cameras in whole city, these attacks are going on from a very long time when will our law enforcement will learn.
 
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This person at right of Nawaz Sharif is Nawabzada Changez Marri - Brother of Hyrbiyar Marri (Founder of BLA who attacked Quide's Residency in Ziarat).. Nawabzada Changez Marri is in PML-N right now and was contender for CM Balochistan with Nawaz's support.

https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=...arri&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Changez Marri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@Leader @nuclearpak

Utterly shameful...
@Irfan Baloch, what will you say about this? The brother of BLA founder/financier in PML!
 
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Aye...aye General !

I find myself partly agreeing & partly disagreeing with your analysis & recommendations.

I agree that between the Saudis, the Iranians & our local Molvis we have an absolute nightmare on our hands; we saw its beginnings in the '80s & the '90s & now in the '00s we see it nearly reaching its climax. At the same time I do truly believe that the Molvi of perhaps 5 years ago was stronger than the Molvi of today in that I've experience common men & women speaking with disdain about our religious clerics & their not so holy or remotely wholesome contributions to Islam & our society. Its a beginning & it will take time but I do truly believe that the worst is behind us in that there seems to be much greater appreciation for the nefarious role that Molvi has played in our society than has ever been in our History (perhaps the early '50s being the exception when we had just tasted what the Congressi Molvis had been doing to us) which means that in due course of time the Molvi would find more space being denied to him. At the same time let it not be said that Molvi hasn't enough clout as it is to be a serious nut cracker for us but its slowly diminishing & thats the good news.

What I respectfully disagree with you & others on is how we deal with the situation. For me a heavy handed approach is absolutely out of the picture for it would be most counter-productive & would give the initiative to the Molvi again to further polarize an already deeply divided society. What we need to instead is to take the Islam narrative back from the Molvi, reduce his credibility & target his 'target audience' to be less gullible & more rational in their approach. All of those things require a great deal of tact & more so public perception management - two things that we have been woefully negligent in since back to the beginning.

I would imagine, in my limited understanding, that a four pronged approach is what is required to achieve all of this :

(i) Credible Leadership in that right now, baring Imran Khan, every other politician in Pakistan has huge spots over their credibility & perhaps even Imran Khan himself in that some of the inductions in the PTI have left a lot to be desired off.

(ii) Good Governance to ensure that credibility is further enhance & everything from the Jihad narrative to socio-economic discrimination by one ethnic group against the other is taken away from the perpetrators of such divisive movements.

(iii) Perhaps the Government would do well to borrow the Tabdeeli Razakar idea from PTI & help its more wholesome agendas permeate down to the masses so that Public Perception can be managed further in our favor & additionally the efforts of these divisive movements that really do have grass-root workers spreading their bile, is blunted a bit.

(iv) Perhaps one can do well to look to the Army & appreciate it for how there exists no Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Non-Muslim or even Punjabi-Pukhtoon-Baluch BS in it & that truly the Army has been quite successful in galvanizing its recruits in an over-arching singular identity that these other ethno-linguistic & religious identities are an extension of as opposed to something that is wholly at loggerheads with each other & that over-arching identity. Perhaps some form of compulsory service to the State for a period of 1.5-2 years should be looked at; perhaps not the Army but some other form of National Service - Construction work, Social Work, Labor for other State sponsored Public Welfare projects.

Naturally all of this is wholly rudimentary in nature & has, like anything else of such a nature, the propensity of being a complete waste of time at best or an institutionalized impediment for progress, at the very worse.

At any rate, I do believe that social evolution is a very good usher of change & these things will eventually rectify themselves; the trick is to help nudge the social evolution at an accelerated rate lest the change comes when Pakistan is no more.

But of course, all of the above could be a load of trash completely disconnected from the ground realities of Pakistan seeing that its typed out by a person who is sitting comfortably in his room right now munching on Nandos (Damn that Peri..Peri sauce is hot !) ! :ashamed:
 
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Aye...aye General !

I find myself partly agreeing & partly disagreeing with your analysis & recommendations.

I agree that between the Saudis, the Iranians & our local Molvis we have an absolute nightmare on our hands; we saw its beginnings in the '80s & the '90s & now in the '00s we see it nearly reaching its climax. At the same time I do truly believe that the Molvi of perhaps 5 years ago was stronger than the Molvi of today in that I've experience common men & women speaking with disdain about our religious clerics & their not so holy or remotely wholesome contributions to Islam & our society. Its a beginning & it will take time but I do truly believe that the worst is behind us in that there seems to be much greater appreciation for the nefarious role that Molvi has played in our society than has ever been in our History (perhaps the early '50s being the exception when we had just tasted what the Congressi Molvis had been doing to us) which means that in due course of time the Molvi would find more space being denied to him. At the same time let it not be said that Molvi hasn't enough clout as it is to be a serious nut cracker for us but its slowly diminishing & thats the good news.

What I respectfully disagree with you & others on is how we deal with the situation. For me a heavy handed approach is absolutely out of the picture for it would be most counter-productive & would give the initiative to the Molvi again to further polarize an already deeply divided society. What we need to instead is to take the Islam narrative back from the Molvi, reduce his credibility & target his 'target audience' to be less gullible & more rational in their approach. All of those things require a great deal of tact & more so public perception management - two things that we have been woefully negligent in since back to the beginning.

I would imagine, in my limited understanding, that a four pronged approach is what is required to achieve all of this :

(i) Credible Leadership in that right now, baring Imran Khan, every other politician in Pakistan has huge spots over their credibility & perhaps even Imran Khan himself in that some of the inductions in the PTI have left a lot to be desired off.

(ii) Good Governance to ensure that credibility is further enhance & everything from the Jihad narrative to socio-economic discrimination by one ethnic group against the other is taken away from the perpetrators of such divisive movements.

(iii) Perhaps the Government would do well to borrow the Tabdeeli Razakar idea from PTI & help its more wholesome agendas permeate down to the masses so that Public Perception can be managed further in our favor & additionally the efforts of these divisive movements that really do have grass-root workers spreading their bile, is blunted a bit.

(iv) Perhaps one can do well to look to the Army & appreciate it for how there exists no Shia-Sunni, Muslim-Non-Muslim or even Punjabi-Pukhtoon-Baluch BS in it & that truly the Army has been quite successful in galvanizing its recruits in an over-arching singular identity that these other ethno-linguistic & religious identities are an extension of as opposed to something that is wholly at loggerheads with each other & that over-arching identity. Perhaps some form of compulsory service to the State for a period of 1.5-2 years should be looked at; perhaps not the Army but some other form of National Service - Construction work, Social Work, Labor for other State sponsored Public Welfare projects.

Naturally all of this is wholly rudimentary in nature & has, like anything else of such a nature, the propensity of being a complete waste of time at best or an institutionalized impediment for progress, at the very worse.

At any rate, I do believe that social evolution is a very good usher of change & these things will eventually rectify themselves; the trick is to help nudge the social evolution at an accelerated rate lest the change comes when Pakistan is no more.

But of course, all of the above could be a load of trash completely disconnected from the ground realities of Pakistan seeing that its typed out by a person who is sitting comfortably in his room right now munching on Nandos (Damn that Peri..Peri sauce is hot !) ! :ashamed:

At ease , Sergeant . I am officially off duty :D

I see , just as I expected it .

Precisely , mate . The circus has to stop eventually or be forced to stop one way or the other , we have suffered a lot due to this moving between different ' camps ' , be it of the Arabs - Persians or the religious authorities to the extent that today we have a ' economy ' in the gutters , an intolerant and radicalized society being run by a handful of Mullahs divided into ethnicities and sects , extreme lawlessness and chaos and the security and integrity of Pakistan in danger . Though , compared to 5 years ago , more people realize the fragility of the extremist ideology and its weak foundation , the dangers of the radicalization and criticize the clerics for the situation . This is a ray of hope that change is finally coming though ' Delhi is still far away ' But remember , there are masses who cant be reasoned with since quoting Oscar the value of g for them is 9.8 m/s2 for the entire universe and the whole earth since that is what they learnt from the teacher and the textbook and they will refuse to believe that , even when shown clear and undisputable scientific proof that it isn't true for everywhere - an unshakable believe and will need much more time and some radical measures to get them out of it . Well , better late than never . Because face it ' cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare. ' Anyone can err but only the fool persists in his faults . Let ' literacy ' and ' enlightened moderation ' and the ' Pakistan ideology ' guide the way forward for the country , instead of the blind faith and infallibility of the God's viceroy and the Kingdom or Persia . The Mullahs have had enough , first they were against the creation of Pakistan and now they are hell bent on destroying the country with the ' devised for their own influence and interest ' interpretation of the religion . We need the progressing and tolerant country back as it was in the 60's .

You have every right to disagree , since it is a democracy :D . You aren't in the Kingdom . Mate , the whole ' concentration camp ' idea and this ' certain restrictions on judicial processes ' is postulated assuming that the situation is worst and thus requires desperate measures . That it is the lowest point and we cant go further down from here exaggerating a little that the country is going through the absolute worst . I still see no further harm that can be done with that . I suggested the Govt keeps strict checks on the religious higher authority and the Madarsas and Mosques and the donations for them and if possible , massively use PSYOPS and manipulation to reduce their popularity and sphere of influence .

Rest , I agree with . Though , I have started having problems with Mr.Imran Khan after ' Wali-ur-Rehman ' suddenly became pro peace for him on the Twitter feed . The only advantage he enjoys is that he's never been elected before , never governed nothing and hence cant be judged by his past actions like other . Well , now is the time for him . You have an interesting point about the ' conscription ' to get rid off ' ethnic/sectarian ' lenses .

This ' load of trash ' can suddenly become true , mate , there's a limit to everything and I think this ideology introduced in the 80's and which took two decades to mature has reached . No , there will be Pakistan always , you just wont want to live in it , Armstrong .
 
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Heritage under attack: PkMAP says it views Ziarat Residency as a

ISLAMABAD: While the entire nation is in a state of shock over the destruction of the Jinnah’s Residency in Ziarat, a key coalition partner in the Balochistan government calls it a ‘symbol of slavery’.

The residence of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah at the idyllic hill station of Ziarat, which was considered a national heritage, was razed to the ground in a bomb attack claimed by an outlawed Baloch separatist group, Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) early Saturday.

“The wooden house at Ziarat was a symbol of slavery as it was built for the colonial British officer Sir Robert Groves Sandeman who ruled Balochistan until his death in 1892,” Akram Shah, the general secretary of Pashtoonkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP), told The Express Tribune.

“The house always reminded the Baloch and Pashtuns of the long period when they were the slaves of British Empire in Indian subcontinent,” Shah added. “For us, it’s no more than the house of the then agent to the governor general [of India], Sir Sandeman.”

Shah’s shocking statement prompted scathing criticism from a fellow politician from Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N).
“Akram Shah has hurt the feelings of millions of patriotic people in Balochistan and of those who had an emotional attachment with the historic building [Ziarat residency},” Anwarul Haq Kakar told The Express Tribune. “The PkMAP leader should behave like a responsible politician and not forget that his party is a coalition partner in the Balochistan government.”

Kakar said that the terrorists who destroyed the ‘symbol of the federation in Balochistan’ deserved a befitting reply from the entire nation, particularly from the peace-loving people of the province.

PkMAP’s Akram Shah was also unhappy with the visit to Ziarat by two federal ministers — Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan and Pervaiz Rashid. The ministers should have instead attended the funeral of the victims of Saturday’s attacks in Quetta claimed by the banned sectarian extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 17th, 2013.

At least one noon leaguer had the good sense of speaking up for Pakistan while the entire Noon league is mincing words and ***** footing on the issue of an attack on Jinnah's residency!

Nisar presents preliminary report on Ziarat attack in NA - DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Monday presented a preliminary report on the attack on Jinnah’s Ziarat residency in the National Assembly.

Speaking on the floor of the House, the interior minister said a joint investigation team had been constituted to investigate the attack on the building in which the Quaid-i-Azam spent the last days of his life in 1948.

The Balochistan Liberation Army claimed responsibility for the strike.

Nisar said two of the security guards posted at the Ziarat residency had been taken in for questioning.

The minister also asked as to why the guards failed to inform the police upon hearing suspicious noises indicating that an attack was taking place.

The bombing sent a wave of shock and horror among the populace in Ziarat, a quaint and quiet place which hitherto knew nothing of bomb explosions.

Ziarat, located at more than 2,500 metres above sea level and surrounded by Juniper trees, is a popular tourist site. The two-storey residency was built in 1892 and formerly used by representatives of the British government in India.

JIT recommendations always take like months, and then no one cares about it once it gives a ruling.

BLA has taken responsibility, your operation against BLA should not be dependent upon JIT!
 
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