BLA Kills 14 Punjabi workers after 'ID check'.

[Areesh]

Yes but at the same time Akbar Bugti was instrumental in convincing the Baluch to join Pakistan ! So there is no easy way out of this.

Even Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala was a patriot and loyalist of Congress at some point of time. But that didn't stop IA to act against him and his group when turned against the state. Stop living in the past. Akbar bugti might be loyal to state of Pakistan for some benefits but later he turned against the state. Ask your PML(N) to take action against BLA. We non Punjabis would support them in this.

 

[Icarus]

No...no excuse but most certainly a moment of pause is required to ask ourselves in a dispassionate way - How did we foOk things up that bad ? And by 'we' - I do mean all of us & by 'things' - I do mean the so...so many things that are wrong with Pakistan today.

By spoiling the Baloch masses, their problem is not political or economic. It's feudal in nature, why have the Pukhtun areas of Balochistan developed better than the ethnic Baloch parts? The answer is an absence of feudal structure. Quetta, Ziarat, Zhob, Khuzdar, Makran, Gwadar are almost revolutionary when compared to the position of Dera Bugti or Kohlu.

 

[BATMAN]

I don't hold much of a soft corner for Kashmiri Insurgents either, they had their opportunity in 65 but they chose to sit idle while we risked all to help them. If they wish for freedom now, they have my sympathies, but little more.

Freedom fighters of 65...??? Anyhow, those old men, must been very ineffective today.

 

[darkinsky]

I'm saying that maybe we need to ask ourselves that how is it that one of the greatest champions of Pakistan in Baluchistan found himself so changed & so beastly that he did the things that he did - What lessons could we - as a People & as a State - take from this ?

you should then ask talibans

 

[Slav Defence]

And coward BLA leadership is hiding in UK.. What a sour losers these idiots are..

yes well said,give her some time,she will be polished if she continued her stay Inshallah.

 

[Icarus]

Why? when Pir pagaras turn restless would you say the same?

If Bugti was evil so are the nawabs of Kalabagh, the makhdooms of south Punjab and pagars of Sindh.

Bugti's death has given some baloch factions a cause to fight.

These same factions had staged 3 uprisings before his death, how would you account for the motivation behind those? Particularly the especially bloody uprising of the 70s?

Freedom fighters of 65...??? Anyhow, those old men, must been very ineffective today.

Op Gibraltar, Pak sends SSG to encourage Kashmiris to take up arms backed by the PA. They don't give a ****, most commandos die behind enemy lines.

 

[Slav Defence]

By spoiling the Baloch masses, their problem is not political or economic. It's feudal in nature, why have the Pukhtun areas of Balochistan developed better than the ethnic Baloch parts? The answer is an absence of feudal structure. Quetta, Ziarat, Zhob, Khuzdar, Makran, Gwadar are almost revolutionary when compared to the position of Dera Bugti or Kohlu.

well said,especially, Gawadar,we are evident that how Mr.Musharraf worked on it's construction,he was well aware of it's geographical and strategic importance ,his most appreciable policy was that he made a deal with China and initiated various project in this regard,thus this has also prevented US to influence in that port.

 

[Jazzbot]

I'm saying that maybe we need to ask ourselves that how is it that one of the greatest champions of Pakistan in Baluchistan found himself so changed & so beastly that he did the things that he did - What lessons could we - as a People & as a State - take from this ?

Ofcourse our governments did a lots of mistakes and even blunders. But Akbar Bugti had fair chances to stop armed struggles especially when Govts were ready to talk and when they were accepting his demands. But he instead preferred to stay anti Pakistan and instead pressurized our govts even more. Clearly his motives and his priorities were completely changed.

 

[Armstrong]

Ask your PML(N) to take action against BLA. We non Punjabis would support them in this.

I'm not living in the past but simply asking whether a moment of introspection would do us some good too !

But leaving that aside - That end comment of yours is one of the reasons why we're in the mess today - Provincialism & Ethno-Linguistic Nationalism !

In recent weeks I've heard statements like 'this is a Government by Punjab, of Punjab & for Punjab' & that 'now Pakistan is Lahore & Islamabad' - So help me God if I remember one instance when any of us Punjabis played the Sindhi card when PPP was looting our country in the past 5 years ! If any of us ever talked about Pakistan being reduced to Islamabad & Gari Khuda Baksh or had we ever linked any one of PPP's 'Sindh ki Khidmaaat....Pakistan ki khidmaaat' slogans with 'this is a Government by Sindh, of Sindh & for Sindh' !

From one Punjabi to another @Icarus - How the hell did you guys transcend this venomous crap in the Armed Forces & yet we still find ourselves bogged down in Provincialism as our enemies laugh at us blessing their fate & our enormous stupidity ?

 

[Areesh]

I'm not living in the past but simply asking whether a moment of introspection would do us some good too !

But leaving that aside - That end comment of yours is one of the reasons why we're in the mess today - Provincialism & Ethno-Linguistic Nationalism !

In recent weeks I've heard statements like 'this is a Government by Punjab, of Punjab & for Punjab' & that 'now Pakistan is Lahore & Islamabad' - So help me God if I remember one instance when any of us Punjabis played the Sindhi card when PPP was looting our country in the past 5 years ! If any of us ever talked about Pakistan being reduced to Islamabad & Gari Khuda Baksh or had we ever linked any one of PPP's 'Sindh ki Khidmaaat....Pakistan ki khidmaaat' slogans with 'this is a Government by Sindh, of Sindh & for Sindh' !

From one Punjabi to another @Icarus - How the hell did you guys transcend this venomous crap in the Armed Forces & yet we still find ourselves bogged down in Provincialism as our enemies laugh at us blessing their fate & our enormous stupidity ?

I would just quote the guy whose picture we have as an avatar right now. Someone asked him. Will in 50 years Pakistanis would become one nation. He replied no. In 100 years. Believe me. It would take time. But decades later we would still be one and we would be a strong nation state for sure.

 

[Silverblaze]

These same factions had staged 3 uprisings before his death, how would you account for the motivation behind those? Particularly the especially bloody uprising of the 70s?

Totally different. 60s it was communist factions and some misguided people. 70s it was happening in iranian side as well due to some soviet help and more after the independence of bangladesh.

80s and 90s were more peaceful as many were brought back in the mainstream and people also began to judge sardars by their performance and not their diatribe against the center.

2000s, issue of royalties and other disagreements, shazia case, indian help and most importantly failure of dialogue.

 

[Icarus]

From one Punjabi to another @Icarus - How the hell did you guys transcend this venomous crap in the Armed Forces & yet we still find ourselves bogged down in Provincialism as our enemies laugh at us blessing their fate & our enormous stupidity ?

Every ethnic identity has a dirty slang term in PMA, you identify yourself from your region, you inherit the abuse that comes with it. That, coupled with the over dependence on each other roots out any sort of personal grudges or petty issues.

Totally different. 60s it was communist factions and some misguided people. 70s it was happening in iranian side as well due to some soviet help and more after the independence of bangladesh.

80s and 90s were more peaceful as many were brought back in the mainstream and people also began to judge sardars by their performance and not their diatribe against the center.

2000s, issue of royalties and other disagreements, shazia case, indian help and most importantly failure of dialogue.

In all cases, Sardars were an important part of the entire scenarios. There can not be a Baloch Insurgency without the Sardars heading it.

 

[Armstrong]

I would just quote the guy whose picture we have as an avatar right now. Someone asked him. Will in 50 years Pakistanis would become one nation. He replied no. In 100 years. Believe me. It would take time. But decades later we would still be one and we would be a strong nation state for sure.

I agree but he also taught us to be 'a Pakistani first, second & last' & to 'rid ourselves of the poison of Provincialism' - Maybe we should start striving for the Pakistan to come in decades, here & now.

 

[Silverblaze]

In all cases, Sardars were an important part of the entire scenarios. There can not be a Baloch Insurgency without the Sardars heading it.

So? they are bad right? They are bad when they fight, they are good when they don't and live happily with the elite.

 

[Icarus]

So? they are bad right? They are bad when they fight, they are good when they don't and live happily with the elite.

For the government, that is pretty much the formula to follow. A pacified Sardar is a good Sardar but the best option for the people of the province is to be free of this medieval system of oppression so that they can pursue better prospects and hope for improvement.