BJP leader’s dangerous affront to Bangladesh

[CorporateAffairs]

All illegal immigrants should be sent back to BD. Dont need their land.

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

caste system.... and pray to your thousand gods that bangladesh does not go under the bay of bengal.

Caste system is dead in urban areas and soon will be dead in rural.Regarding thousands of gods...we also believe there is one god but choose to worship him as you like absolutely no compulsion that's why people made whatever they thought but god is one here also.

 

[asad71]

I am Bengalee, and I see no distant chances for me to be a Muslim

Officially 35%, but on ground 55% of W Bengalees are Muslims.

 

[asad71]

I think he was talking about the Delhi elitists (Brahmins)

Hindustan is today ruled by a conclave/oligarchy of the Baniya and the Brahman clerics.They exploit the peoples and the resources of Hindustan to whet their lust for power and wealth. The peoples of India - Ksatryas, Nomo-Shudros, Dalits/Harijans, Muslims, Sikhs,Buddhists,Jains and others must unite to throw these vultures out for peace, social justice, economic emancipation,equality and brotherhood in society.

The Minuteman project needs to be implemented in Bengal, Assam and the North East. If law takes care of these illegals - fine. Otherwise the responsibility will have to fall on the population, who are bearing the brunt of the influx anyway.

Pros - Swift action
Cons - Mob violence, extra judicial disappearances (read murders)

I will have to do a study on this - regarding the extent of immigration. The means to eliminate the threat and reach a Final Solution (name chosen on purpose) can then be decided. Opinions are welcome.

That's a good prescription to fast track the elimination of High Cast Hindus from East and NE.

 

[scholseys]

Caste system is dead in urban areas and soon will be dead in rural.Regarding thousands of gods...we also believe there is one god but choose to worship him as you like absolutely no compulsion that's why people made whatever they thought but god is one here also.

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[TopCat]

Bangladesh should open up more conversion center in India like Christian missionaries. Islam already infiltrated Swamis family and his daughter already married to a Muslim guy disgusted by Brhaminic stupidity. Next on the line should be Swami himself. Mamata is already half way there..

 

[अखण्ड भारत!!!]

Officially 35%, but on ground 55% of W Bengalees are Muslims.

If things turn extremely annoying then we will deal with it with brute force

 

[scorpionx]

Officially 35%, but on ground 55% of W Bengalees are Muslims.

Whole Bengal was historically Muslim dominated for the last four/five hundred years and it will continue to remain as it is. But the Bengali culture,religion and other ubiquitous factors have been too overwhelming to provoke any sort of "Reverse acculturation" which you are giving a notion off. There are plenty of Muslims who are regular visitors of ancient local deities like Manasa, Sheetala let alone the astonishing participation of Muslim crowds in Durga Puja annually. Yes, there have been a rise of fundamental or more critical orthodoxies but still their influence is slender in most of the areas.

 

[arp2041]

Officially 35%, but on ground 55% of W Bengalees are Muslims.

You were present On Ground, Underground or above Ground during this survey???

 

[Tshering22]

Ooh that is so scary.

 

[asad71]

Whole Bengal was historically Muslim dominated for the last four/five hundred years and it will continue to remain as it is. But the Bengali culture,religion and other ubiquitous factors have been too overwhelming to provoke any sort of "Reverse acculturation" which you are giving a notion off. There are plenty of Muslims who are regular visitors of ancient local deities like Manasa, Sheetala let alone the astonishing participation of Muslim crowds in Durga Puja annually. Yes, there have been a rise of fundamental or more critical orthodoxies but still their influence is slender in most of the areas.

Yep, Muslim boys do visit puja mandaps. Do you know why?Mostly to see Hindu girls dancing in colorful costumes.

 

[A Town]

While being away, I missed the Bangladesh section. Now I see why.

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Yep, Muslim boys do visit puja mandaps. Do you know why?Mostly to see Hindu girls dancing in colorful costumes.

Educate yourself "professional" pervert, not everyone is a fundoo like you are


Muslim performs Durga puja in this Kolkata locality - The Times of India

KOLKATA: Shahid Ali is a Muslim priest who will perform the rituals at a Durga Puja this year. But that's not the only reason we're writing about him. Like the deity he will worship, Shahid and the humble locality he stays in, are a symbol of the victory of good over evil, of humanity over divisive faith and of the secular mind over zealous theocrats. He is also an envoy of the new India — one that has moved well beyond the mandir-masjid dispute.

Shahid, though, would argue that his 'mohalla', at Munsiganj in Kolkata's Kidderpore area, had moved on long ago. When the Babri Masjid was razed and riots broke out in several parts of India, Shahid remembers playing cricket with his Hindu friends, hitting sixes, taking catches and celebrating wins and mourning losses together.

That was 1992. Shahid, now in his early thirties, has seen a couple of decades pass by since. And over those years, the Hindu-Muslim bond grew into kinship. And Shahid, who has been performing Durga Puja for seven years, mastered the Shastras.

A visit to the area shows why. On Wednesday, with Kolkata in Mahasasthi attire, preparations at Five Star club were on at a hectic pace. The 71-year-old puja is organized by Muslims but the scene at Munshiganj is no different from any Hindu locality.

Balwant Singh, a member of the puja committee, says: "Shahid fasts for all four days and performs puja according to Hindu Shastras."

The mohalla does its bit, too. Through the Puja month, Muslims here don't eat beef. Shops don't sell
it either. The mood is summed up by 60-year-old Shanti Begum. "Ma ashchhen, anondo to hobei (the goddess is coming, it's time to celebrate)," she says.

 

[idune]

Why not claim the entire Bangladesh, Mr Swamy?

IT SEEMS that the Bharatiya Janata Party is all but ready to form the next government in India. Or, so it sounds. The Hindutvadi divisive forces have been steadily growing like a cancer inside India for generations, and they call themselves Hindu nationalists. What is Hindu nationalism but fascism, fanaticism, communalism, racism and bigotry? After all, it espouses that India is for only Hindus. It dreams of establishing Ram Rajya in what was once British India. It despises non-Hindus. It denies the culture of inclusiveness and acceptance of the plurality of peoples and cultures that has been the hallmark of India’s national character since time immemorial, and distorts India’s history of its diverse and religious influences. And examples are plenty for anyone trying to find such relics of civilisation with distinct touches not just in places like Fateh Sikri and Taj Mahal but everywhere in this ancient land of people of so many races who mingled and came to call it their home — not just the Turks, the Mughals and the Afghans, but also the Arabs and the Persians, the Portuguese and the English, and their descendants. Unlike western colonisers, Muslim rulers have called Hindustan their home; they lived and died here.
And yet all such essential elements of Indian history are lost amongst the Sangh Parivar’s diehard Hindu communalists. They have not come to terms with a divided India in 1947, and like to see all that were part of mother India to be brought back under the Indian umbrella.

BJP leader Subramanian Swamy said Bangladesh should compensate India with land for the influx of its citizens here. ‘If Bangladesh does not agree to take back its people, then the country should compensate by giving land to India,’ Swamy said in Guhawati, Assam on April 18.‘I am extremely distressed by the extent of illegal infiltration from Bangladesh. According to my estimate, one-third of Bangladesh’s population lives in India,’ Swamy added.

The fascist Hindutvadi leader, therefore, wants to grab one-third of Bangladesh under the pretext that one-third of Bangladeshis have migrated into India since partition of India. It is a ludicrous, and yet a dangerous claim, which breeds hatred and animosity. As I have shown in a series of articles on demography of Bangladesh and India, while cross-border migration has continued for ages (there are, for example, now half a million illegal Indians working inside Bangladesh remitting nearly four billion US dollars to India), there is no truth to such BJP claims that Bangladeshis in large numbers have been migrating to India and inflating the Muslim proportion there.



Although in terms of per capita GDP, Bangladesh ranks lower than that of India, in several other metrics, e.g. in HDI (Human Development Index) Health, her record is better. She has less debt per capita than India. She has also lower deficit (% GDP) than India. Life expectancy is also higher in Bangladesh than in India.

According to the 2013 Human Development Report, The Rise of the South: Human Progress in a Diverse World, ‘Bangladesh, with much slower economic growth and half India’s per capita income, does nearly as well—and better on some indicators.’ The report says, ‘It has sustained growth by increasing the rate of public investment and achieving great success in textiles.’
In the economic sector, it is worth noting that Bangladesh has nearly half the unemployment rate of India. The working class inside Bangladesh makes more income than their counterparts in India, especially in any of the surrounding states of Bangladesh. Many impoverished Indians thus have been illegally crossing over to work inside Bangladesh remitting huge sums of money to their family members still living inside India.

As to the demographic issue, it would have been proper for Hindu communalist leaders like BJP’s Swamy to look into adjusted population growth rates inside India than to making ludicrous claims about infiltration of Bangladeshi Muslims. Professor S Irudaya Rajan’s demographic study (‘District Level Fertility Estimates for Hindus and Muslims’, Economic and Political Weekly, January 29, 2005) in India has shown that the annual growth rate of various religious communities has varied quite a bit since the early census data were taken by the British Raj. Except for the 1951 census, when Muslims registered a net loss because of the partition of British India in 1947, the growth rate amongst minority Muslims in independent India has been always greater than that of majority Hindus. Except for the decade of 1971-81, other religious communities had higher annual growth rate than both Muslims and Hindus. So, why such a litmus test for Muslims in India, and not for other religious communities? What chauvinist message does the BJP want to send?

In independent India (i.e. after 1947), the annual growth rate in a decade amongst Hindus varied from 1.82 to 2.16 with a mean of 1.96, and standard deviation of 0.137. For Muslims the corresponding values varied from 2.57 to 2.82 with a mean of 2.72, and a standard deviation of 0.11. The gap between the two communities is on an average 0.76 per cent annually, and is statistically significant at an alpha level of 0.05. Note that this gap (in favour of higher Muslim growth rate) is significantly lower than the gap of 0.9 per cent in 1951-61, a decade before Bangladesh came into existence. Note also that the gap in growth rates has shrunk ever since (even in the 1991-2001 decade).

According to Professor Rajan, ‘Interestingly, in the just concluded decade [1991-2001], the decline noted in the growth rates of both communities is almost the same at 0.2 per cent per annum though they are at different levels. The real decline of the growth rate among Hindus started during 1981-1991 with just a 0.2 percentage point fall (2.2 in 1971-81 and 2.0 in 1981-91), which was maintained during 1991-2001. As Muslims started late in the fertility transition, they lag behind Hindus but clear signs of decline are evident. Then why is there so much fuss in the media about the high growth rate among Muslims?’ (op-cit)
Professor Rajan in his study showed the relevance of regional data saying that annual growth rate varied from region to region (see the table).

Analysis of the regional demographic data, however, is complicated by the fact that people are free to move from one part of the country to another for a plethora of reasons. As such, a decline can mean internal migration (as well as overseas migration) in which some families have moved away to another part. Similarly, the increase may be a result of internal migration, and not necessarily cross-border international migration of that religious group.

The north-eastern part of India surrounds Bangladesh. If we focus in that region, we find that Hindu annual growth rate hovered between 1.3 per cent in the decade of 1991-2001 and 3.22 per cent in 1951-61, while the Muslim growth rate hovered between 2.21 per cent in 1961-71 and 3.39 per cent in 1951-61. The question is: Is this difference between the two communities statistically significant to suggest a cross-border migration of Muslims from Bangladesh?

The average inter-census annual growth rate has been 2.81 per cent for Muslims and 2.324 per cent for Hindus in northeast India between 1951 and 2001, with a standard deviation of 0.51 per cent, and 0.86 per cent, respectively. A paired-t test shows that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the mean of the Muslim growth rate is greater than the Hindu growth rate at the 0.05 level of significance.

Since 1951-2001 (for which we have Indian census data on religion) is too broad a period including two decades before the emergence of Bangladesh. How about shifting the focus on the Muslim growth rate in northeast India from 1971 to 2001 to check if outside Muslims from, say, Bangladesh could have made the difference? For this we shall compare the growth rate amongst Muslims in northeast India to an average annual growth rate of 2.8 per cent in the pre-Bangladesh era. Surely, if Muslims had moved into northeast India from Bangladesh, there should be statistical evidence to prove such a hypothesis. Of these latter decades, we notice that only in 1971-81 the Muslim growth rate (3.29%) was higher than average inter-census growth rate of 2.8 per cent, but it was still below the 1951-61 growth rate of 3.39 per cent. A 1-sample t-test shows that there is not enough evidence to conclude that the mean of the 1971-2001 census data on Muslim demography in northeast India is greater than 2.8 per cent at the 0.05 (alpha) level of significance.

So, all these claims of Hindu communalists that Muslims from Bangladesh are causing higher growth rate seems groundless. Rather than making unsubstantiated claims that Bangladeshi Muslims are infiltrating into India in search of jobs why not they explain the reason behind lower Hindu growth rate? Why has it shrunk overall from a high of 2.4 per cent in 1941-51 to 1.82 per cent in 1991-2001? Similarly, for northeast India, let them explain why the Hindu population has gone down from 3.22 per cent in 1951-61 to 1.3 per cent in 1991-2001?

Let me offer some hints. Socioeconomic conditions matter in relation to fertility rate. Muslims, who are socio-economically disadvantaged in India (see numerous commission reports on this, including that of Sachar) with more unemployed and less educated people (especially amongst women), facing discrimination in every sector, are prone to having higher fertility rate amongst the less literate women compared to socio-economically advanced Hindu women who are more literate and gainfully employed. The annual growth rate amongst Hindus is lower for a plethora of reasons of which the high abortion rate amongst Hindu women desiring (or forced to preferring) a male child over a female child (leading to 1.12:1 male to female ratio) is an important factor. It is no wonder that there are millions of unwed Hindu men who can’t find marriage age Hindu women. The Hindu caste system has also been failing, in spite of all the cosmetic social reforms that India has embarked starting with the name change of the once-despised untouchables to the Dalits, letting many to convert to other religions, especially to Christianity with very strong and effective missionary activities.

Rather than addressing such internal issues, the fanatic Hindus like the BJP’s Swamy and Modi, and Hindu Samhati’s Tapan Ghosh like to transfer the monumental failures within the Hindu society to external, imaginary factors that have simply no basis. And what can be better than demonising Muslims? So, a slight rise in Muslim population had to be because of Muslim migration from Bangladesh! Such an absurd theory, and only a myth, can only fool and agitate the brain-dead morons and votaries and pujaris of Hindutava, and no one else. It won’t solve the ‘dying’ Hindu problem in India. And surely, demonising others won’t allow the problem to go away either.

With such claims, Mr Swamy may as well claim the entire Bangladesh! That would be more appropriate for a diehard Hindu fascist like him.

Why not claim the entire Bangladesh, Mr Swamy?

 

[scorpionx]

Yep, Muslim boys do visit puja mandaps. Do you know why?Mostly to see Hindu girls dancing in colorful costumes.

May be or may be not. But the fact remains the same that the way Bengali cultural identity overwhelms the Muslim religious identity in Bengal, the reverse flow of traditional waves is simply impossible. But there are rigid elements which are bound to exist. But as of now they still remain on the side line without any mass appeal.