Bitter truth about Pak floods

[Maula Jatt]

Yeah, Sherry Rehman is a great scientist.

Oh wait, let me watch a few documentaries, the same ones that were predicting a Little Ice Age not that long ago, then moved to Global Warming, and are now crying themselves hoarse over "Climate Change" when those two fell flat.

ok wannabe Dinesh Desouza

I present you with your honorary coconut certificate, So you can finally feel accepted amongst right-wing white people

 

[VCheng]

Those two also belong to a political party that has (along with the Army and PMLN) ruled Pakistan for most of its existence and have done little to nothing to help prepare the country to deal with the effects of climate change.

The current government is just looking for any and all quick handouts that will mostly be whisked away to their benefit rather than getting to the poor people for whom they are intended. No doubt about that at all. Donors beware!

 

[PakFactor]

@RiazHaq @Joe Shearer @waz @Wood

Normally, I am a bit skeptical about countries blaming its own predicaments on others but in this case, I think Pak has a right to feel aggrieved. Not sure what Pak could have done to either avert the tragedy or ease the people's suffering post event. The whole subcontinent, large swaths of sub Saharan Africa are in the same boat

https://www.dawn.com/news/1707526/in...responsibility

IT is an extremely unfair equation: though Pakistan is responsible for only a small fraction of a single percentage point when it comes to historical global carbon dioxide emissions, it is among the countries most vulnerable to climate change wrought by pollution. Its vulnerabilities have now been brought to the fore after weeks of unnaturally high rainfall were triggered by an extended spell of heatwaves — the latter a key symptom of global warming, which scientists have been warning the world about for decades.

Part of the blame — for example, for not doing more to mitigate the effects of climate change — may lie with us, but it is not unreasonable, given the reams of scientific evidence on the subject, to expect rich, developed nations, which generate the bulk of the pollutants that have triggered climate change, to take greater responsibility.

It is unfair that our people are once again paying with their lives, homes and livelihoods for the damage wreaked on the global climate by much larger, far more industrialised nations, while the latter bear few of the costs for their rapacious activities.

The ‘thoughts and prayers’ sent by some world leaders seem quite inadequate in this respect, considering that their countries have played such an outsized role in throwing the global climate off kilter.

It is also unfortunate that even the material aid that has been sent so far by the more proactive nations seems quite underwhelming given the scale of the disaster that it is meant to ameliorate. The challenges faced by the global economy may be one of the reasons why some otherwise responsible nations have been slow in their response to Islamabad’s requests for assistance. It is hoped that politics is not among those reasons.

The natural disaster Pakistan is facing is not an outcome of its own policy options but a consequence of choices made by others. It has a right to some form of reparations given the sheer cost of what it is being forced to bear.

Wide income disparities mean most people in Pakistan have little in terms of personal wealth. Yet, they are also resilient and have always found ways to help each other despite their meagre resources whenever catastrophe strikes. Even now, while suffering backbreaking inflation — currently at levels not seen in decades — the country is pulling together to contribute and rebuild. It will need all the help it can get.

If millions and billions can continue to be poured into wars that kill and destroy, the world can also find funds to restore and rebuild. The cost of the climate crisis must not be for the most vulnerable countries to bear alone. The developed nations must take responsibility to restore at least some of the damage their actions have caused.

Regards

Expand the image below and see the mismanagement of development funds in Pakistan. I understand climate change and crap, but the issue is much deeper than that.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Expand the image below and see the mismanagement of development funds in Pakistan. I understand climate change and crap, but the issue is much deeper than that.

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our nation is where it is cause ever since the early 90s - men at the top stopped giving a shit

Not saying previously people were good or anything but at least they thought about Pakistan and how to move forward, but 90s is where the whole thinking shifted to just eat,eat ,eat mode

 

[Wood]

Those two also belong to a political party that has (along with the Army and PMLN) ruled Pakistan for most of its existence and have done little to nothing to help prepare the country to deal with the effects of climate change.

I'm sure that are a number of dams in Pakistan that are built after independence. Some of them could have been built or proposed in the PPP era as well. Unfortunately for Pakistan, no government has been able to complete its terms to take full credit. Regardless of the history, the sins of a parent should not be pinned on the child.

The world is waking up to climate change crisis only this decade. The PDM administration has so far shown intent in addressing the problem. You can credit them for that.

Expand the image below and see the mismanagement of development funds in Pakistan. I understand climate change and crap, but the issue is much deeper than that.

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This twitter handle is known to be unreliable. I see a number of storage dams / reservoirs in wiki that are listed to as completed after 1990.

List of dams and reservoirs in Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Maula Jatt

our nation is where it is cause ever since the early 90s - men at the top stopped giving a shit

Actually that is a very pertinent observation. But what I am really curious to know what exactly changed in 1990s? Why did the top leadership simply switch off so to speak?

Regards

 

[truthseeker2010]

One has to look at all aspects.

Areas near rivers are often at risk for floods. Urban areas (areas near cities) are also at higher risk for floods because rooftops funnel rainfall to the ground below, and paved surfaces such as highways and parking lots prevent the ground from absorbing the rain. Mountains or steep hills can increase an area’s flood risk, too. Rain or snow-melt running down a mountain can cause streams and rivers to rise quickly. In fact, if a thunderstorm lingers over a mountain, a creek only 6 inches deep can swell to a 10-foot-deep river in less than an hour. Very intense rainfall can produce flooding even on dry soil. Flooding often occurs when there is fast runoff into lakes, rivers and other reservoirs. This is often the case with rivers and other channels that feature steep sides. It is a similar issue to having a lack of vegetation. Vegetation can help slow runoff and prevent flooding. When there is a lack of vegetation, however, there is little to stop water from running off.

Sometimes, streams through cities and towns are routed underground into storm drains. During heavy rain, the storm drains can become overwhelmed or plugged by debris and flood the roads and buildings nearby. Low spots, such as underpasses, underground parking garages, basements, and low water crossings can become death traps.

Driving in floods isnt advisable. A small car weighing about 1 tonne can be moved by floodwater which is only 15 cm deep, flowing at a rate of 1 m per second. In 60 cm of floodwater a small car will completely float away. This is because of the car's buoyancy from airtight doors and inflated tyres.


What is your solution/view for :

1. City planning including drainage, housing, pavement area etc
2. Mountainous area like Swat or AJK
3. Reservoirs and channeling of excess water

1. Build more DHA's. Rest is all unnecessary.
2. Don't build Dams it will destroy the country and civilians will die which somehow survives currently.
3. The excess water should be diverted to juahrabad so that more nukes should be made and if there is some leftover that should be sold to bloody civilians under the guardianship of rangers.

 

[SaadH]

The biggest disaster in Pakistan is PDM and Pakistani generals. All this is just a by-product of their unwillingness to do what needs to be done.

Yeah one Mf'er had no qualms in sacrificing the security and economy of the country and set it back at least two decades just for his legitimacy abroad but he couldn't muster the courage to coerce a bunch of illiterate waderas into dropping their opposition to Kala Bagh dam

 

[Olympus81]

@Maula Jatt

our nation is where it is cause ever since the early 90s - men at the top stopped giving a shit

Actually that is a very pertinent observation. But what I am really curious to know what exactly changed in 1990s? Why did the top leadership simply switch off so to speak?

Regards

Good question.

Could be attributed to a variety of factors.

The 90s was when Zia’s brainchild came to the fore. The Sharifs started gaining foothold and brought in institutional corruption. Benazir despite winning elections was defeated through establishment under handlings. The parliamentary system was gradually compromised.

There were social factors as well, when militants from the Afghan war were not rehabilitated, and what they brought into Pakistan was sectarianism and extremism. Use of these groups by the establishment only provided further boost to these groups.

Independent institutions were not allowed to grow organically through intermittent coups and martial laws. Overthrowing of corrupt political parties would mean short term positives but that would quickly negate by the same Generals making deals with the politicians in the form of NRO etc. Accountability essentially down the drain.

The judiciary was also impacted as the corrupt top did the bidding of the establishment. The mid level lawyers interested more in politics rather than dispensing justice. Few years down and we have the mid level corrupt lawyers in higher position today.

I can go on and on but you get the gist.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Olympus81

Thanks. That was very helpful.

Regards

 

[truthseeker2010]

One has to look at all aspects.

Areas near rivers are often at risk for floods. Urban areas (areas near cities) are also at higher risk for floods because rooftops funnel rainfall to the ground below, and paved surfaces such as highways and parking lots prevent the ground from absorbing the rain. Mountains or steep hills can increase an area’s flood risk, too. Rain or snow-melt running down a mountain can cause streams and rivers to rise quickly. In fact, if a thunderstorm lingers over a mountain, a creek only 6 inches deep can swell to a 10-foot-deep river in less than an hour. Very intense rainfall can produce flooding even on dry soil. Flooding often occurs when there is fast runoff into lakes, rivers and other reservoirs. This is often the case with rivers and other channels that feature steep sides. It is a similar issue to having a lack of vegetation. Vegetation can help slow runoff and prevent flooding. When there is a lack of vegetation, however, there is little to stop water from running off.

Sometimes, streams through cities and towns are routed underground into storm drains. During heavy rain, the storm drains can become overwhelmed or plugged by debris and flood the roads and buildings nearby. Low spots, such as underpasses, underground parking garages, basements, and low water crossings can become death traps.

Driving in floods isnt advisable. A small car weighing about 1 tonne can be moved by floodwater which is only 15 cm deep, flowing at a rate of 1 m per second. In 60 cm of floodwater a small car will completely float away. This is because of the car's buoyancy from airtight doors and inflated tyres.


What is your solution/view for :

1. City planning including drainage, housing, pavement area etc
2. Mountainous area like Swat or AJK
3. Reservoirs and channeling of excess water

That's all you can you do when you cannot argue. Someone rightly said which now completely fits to army officer like you as well. "Small people in big offices".

Why don't you ask your PDMA chief ? after all he is the one that belongs to your "community".

 

[Signalian]

That's all you can you do when you cannot argue. Someone rightly said which now completely fits to army officer like you as well. "Small people in big offices".

Why don't you ask your PDMA chief ? after all he is the one that belongs to your "community".

Where’s your solution for preventing and combating floods ?

 

[newb3e]

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Only Imran Khan is capable of making such a demand

Remember when he asked to wave off debts during COVID-19 and it was actually accepted

but but but its is not in interest of Lumber 1 for Pakistan to be debt free!

is Lumber 1 protecting IMF/western funds in Pakistan?

 

[truthseeker2010]

Where’s your solution for preventing and combating floods ?

Only if you could infer, the solution in pakistan's perspective is dams. But since it involves political parties. They don't agree to this because of two reasons. First is time span and the parties do things that they can show for next election whereas dams take decade to build. Second is ethnic, every party has vested interest as per their agenda which can be foreign or domestic support base.

Here comes the fun part which will definitely hurt you as it concerns army boys: Every one voted for extension of coas but when it comes to creating census for making dams. They are nowhere to be seen. Musharaf could have made the kalabagh but he never did. No chief wants to mess with Zardari.

The other solution in sponge cities but that requires lot of money.

 

[kingQamaR]

Only if you could infer, the solution in pakistan's perspective is dams. But since it involves political parties. They don't agree to this because of two reasons. First is time span and the parties do things that they can show for next election whereas dams take decade to build. Second is ethnic, every party has vested interest as per their agenda which can be foreign or domestic support base.

Here comes the fun part which will definitely hurt you as it concerns army boys: Every one voted for extension of coas but when it comes to creating census for making dams. They are nowhere to be seen. Musharaf could have made the kalabagh but he never did. No chief wants to mess with Zardari.

The other solution in sponge cities but that requires lot of money.

This is a country that cannot bring together reserves to look after its citizens in times of crisis, yet, chooses to spend on costly PDM politicians we now seeing holidaying in Canadian tours, it really makes me sick to my stomach, they and their filthy families all belong in a dirty hell hole prison for life!