Bilawal: Imran Khan HAS to go now

[LeGenD]

@jupiter2007

I normally do not comment on political issues, but I wanted to convey a few points.

Pervez Musharraf SAVED Pakistan from potential DISASTER, if this is your concern and intended point. He played an important role in uplifting and improving safeguards for Pakistani nuclear program. He is unsung hero of Pakistan but he is human and did not had infallible judgement in all matters human.

Musharraf's chief mistake was NRO. There is another FLAG behind this development - KSA (provided refuge to PML(N) leadership and more). The banner you shared, does not contain this FLAG. Half-baked, right?

China does not need to protect its investment in Pakistan - strange view. Pakistani armed forces created the Special Security Division (SSD) for the needful in 2016, and CPEC is marching forward. Sovereignty of the country is an important consideration, mind you.

If a country have its own house in ORDER, and also choose to stay away from distant battles of the world - it will manage very well for long-term. Musharraf had to address nuclear proliferation issue for instance. Emphasis on this: Choose your battles wisely.

IK is prime Minister without 2/3 majority and 100% of PTI MPA & MNA are part of the corrupt system. Opposition and bureaucracy is against correcting the system so they can continue to get their kickbacks. If we had the correct judicial system, MQM, PPP and PMLN should have been banned as the political party in Pakistan and Zardari, Nawaz, Shahbaz Sharif, Altaf Hussian, Dr Farooq Sattar, Aamir Khan and many others would have been in Jail.

Pakistan absolutely need to FIX its judiciary - valid point and contention. But WHO will fix this?

PPP = Formed by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who used to be close to Ayub Khan but developed disagreements with him at a later stage. Any neutral observer can tell that this political party has done most harm to Pakistan.

PML(N) = Patronage of Zia administration to counter PPP across the country - it turned into a CORRUPTION POWERHOUSE in the long-term.

MQM = Patronage of Musharraf administration to counter PPP in Sindh - it turned into a POLITICAL MONSTER in the long-term - thankfully sorted out by Pakistan Rangers in recent years.

My point? Successive Military-led administrations attempted to counter PPP (clear identification of a source of problem) but their respective political experiments backfired spectacularly. Unfortunately, those who received this kind of patronage - they FELT reassured and being above LAW and ACCOUNTABILITY, and could get away with much bad in their works. This is reflection of a mindset prevalent in our country.

My take? Imran Khan (or PTI by and large) should look into the aspects of REFORMING Pakistani judiciary, if this is even possible. This is the only way forward in my view.

Another aspect is to create a system of MERIT (independent evaluation) for creating a new generation of Pakistani politicians. Patronage experiment has failed and will not do.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Ban both the parties and their politicians.

Still won't work. Someone in the family will take their place, and the rulers will remain the same.

You may not know, but this is quite common. Its also common for brothers from the same family to belong to different parties - so no matter which government comes to power, the same family still rules

Only solution is for the common people to wise up and not give their vote for baradari or sell for a plate of biryani. But sadly, that isn't happening any time soon.

 

[jupiter2007]

@jupiter2007

I normally do not comment on political issues, but I wanted to convey a few points.

Pervez Musharraf SAVED Pakistan from potential DISASTER, if this is your concern and intended point. He played an important role in uplifting and improving safeguards for Pakistani nuclear program. He is unsung hero of Pakistan but he is human and did not had infallible judgement in all matters human.

Musharraf's chief mistake was NRO. There is another FLAG behind this development - KSA (provided refuge to PML(N) leadership and more). The banner you shared, does not contain this FLAG. Half-baked, right?

China does not need to protect its investment in Pakistan - strange view. Pakistani armed forces created the Special Security Division (SSD) for the needful in 2016, and CPEC is marching forward. Sovereignty of the country is an important consideration, mind you.

If a country have its own house in ORDER, and also choose to stay away from distant battles of the world - it will manage very well for long-term. Musharraf had to address nuclear proliferation issue for instance. Emphasis on this: Choose your battles wisely.


Pakistan absolutely need to FIX its judiciary - valid point and contention. But WHO will fix this?

PPP = Formed by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who used to be close to Ayub Khan but developed disagreements with him at a later stage. Any neutral observer can tell that this political party has done most harm to Pakistan.

PML(N) = Patronage of Zia administration to counter PPP across the country - it turned into a CORRUPTION POWERHOUSE in the long-term.

MQM = Patronage of Musharraf administration to counter PPP in Sindh - it turned into a POLITICAL MONSTER in the long-term - thankfully sorted out by Pakistan Rangers in recent years.

My point? Successive Military-led administrations attempted to counter PPP (clear identification of a source of problem) but their respective political experiments backfired spectacularly. Unfortunately, those who received this kind of patronage - they FELT reassured and being above LAW and ACCOUNTABILITY, and could get away with much bad in their works. This is reflection of a mindset prevalent in our country.

My take? Imran Khan (or PTI by and large) should look into the aspects of REFORMING Pakistani judiciary, if this is even possible. This is the only way forward in my view.

Another aspect is to create a system of MERIT (independent evaluation) for creating a new generation of Pakistani politicians. Patronage experiment has failed and will not do.

According to you Musharraf saved Nuclear assets and it could be true but his blunder of giving NRO to Nawaz, Zardari and their cronies was the greater blunder than fall of Dhaka.
We were in much better economically and he could have taken some bold steps to fix things but just like previous dictators, he had disappointed us.
Now whole system is like a rotten onion and Democracy can only patch/temp fix system. Democracy doesn’t have required power to fix fundamental problems that are lingering for 70 years. Just tell me one system that is working in Pakistan.

My point about China protecting their investment is not about physical protection but rather political. Unlike America, China hasn’t been involved in other countries political issues but China might do that and that’s why I think China should support Communist party in Pakistan. It might bring new faces in Politics and another party to compete against Corrupt mafia. If Chinese government financially support “communist party of Pakistan” and
“Mazdoor Kisan Party”, they might have a chance of getting few seats in next election.
We also have another political party call “Mustaqbil Pakistan”. I think establishment should support “Mustaqbil Pakistan” instead of supporting PSP. It think establishment should merge PSP, some element of MQM and APML into one party.

 

[Longhorn]

If IK is pushed out for any strange reason then it will be time for "Mere aziz hamwatno" and it wont' be for few years, it will be there to stay until all pending issues are resolved.

That's what we need.
And I hope this time it's a proper bloody one.
Get rid of all the waderas, jagirdars, corrupt mafias, corrupt political families, corrupt judges.
Let's have a clear out and a fresh beginning.

 

[LeGenD]

According to you Musharraf saved Nuclear assets and it could be true but his blunder of giving NRO to Nawaz, Zardari and their cronies was the greater blunder than fall of Dhaka.
We were in much better economically and he could have taken some bold steps to fix things but just like previous dictator, he had disappointed us. Now whole system is like a rotten onion and Democracy can only patch/temp fix system. Democracy doesn’t have required power to fix fundamental problems that are lingering for 70 years.
Just tell me one system that is working in Pakistan.

Friend,

I agree with your view that Pervez Musharraf's NRO was chief blunder of his political leadership - there might be pressures on him which are generally overlooked in this deliberation but he should not have agreed to this arrangement. Yes, Pakistan was doing much better economically in Musharraf's time. Musharraf also played a good role in improving education system and ICT infrastructure of Pakistan. Many Pakistani benefited from this works.

Musharraf's NRO set the stage for SHAM general elections (2008) which brought PPP to power; this political party cannot do a good job in Sindh, let alone manage entirety of Pakistan. They mismanaged Pakistan's economy among other things - not surprised at all. They did a few good things though - increased wages of Sarkari employees and BISP scheme. However, the bad outweighed the good.

PML(N) got is chance in 2013, and the LIST of its mismanagement of things is even bigger than that of PPP ranging from corruption to approving WHITE ELEPHANT projects which Pakistan cannot afford.

However, there is HOPE - PTI got a chance to serve Pakistan in 2018. There is a lot of mess to clean-up and COVID-19 outbreak compounded these challenges. My request to fellow Pakistani is to give this political party a FAIR CHANCE to fulfill its promises - two terms to say the least.

If you have an honest leader at the helm of governance, chances are that he/she will do something good. Let Imran Khan prove himself. If not in this term, then in the next term.

Meanwhile: Imran Khan (or PTI by and large) should look into the aspects of REFORMING Pakistani judiciary, if this is even possible. This is very important consideration.

Existing system is rotten and not working?

Following considerations:

1. Seek PUBLIC REFERENDUM against 'dynasty politics' in Pakistan.

Dynasty Politics give birth to Feudalism; this is not Democracy but a MOCKERY of this theme. This is the kind of politics which tend to concentrate great power into the hands of few families. These families grow beyond the reach of accountability and can do much harm; look no further than the exploits of Bhutto family and Sharif family respectively.

If this proposition find much support in Pakistan, then both Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and Supreme Court of Pakistan (SCP) can be pressured to endorse this movement for the greater good of Pakistan - as a measure of much-needed political reforms. Agenda should be to pressure all Pakistani Political Parties to abandon dynasty politics.

Take cues from American political system. They have two major political parties (Democrats; Republicans), and each political party has to propose candidates to contest Presidential elections. From among these candidates, the one who manage to obtain most votes/endorsements, is shortlisted to represent the host political party in the Presidential elections. This is a good way to try new individuals for leadership from time-to-time.

Pakistani Political Parties should be made to choose a leader on MERIT; a criteria must be defined for this end. PTI will have the opportunity to define this criteria when Imran will step down.

Well-educated candidates with a good grasp of religion, scientific developments, and a preference for global integration will be best choices. BELIEF in CONSPIRACY THEORIES should be a resounding NO in choice of potential candidates. WE do not want FOOLS to represent Pakistan, and ruin it.

2. REVISIT 18th amendment.

If a provincial government is not doing its job, then FEDERAL government should have the mandate to intervene and fix provincial problems.

Case in point: KARACHI