Bikini or headscarf -- which offers more freedom?

[vsdoc]

Please go and ask Krista we cant tell you that. Its her own choice just like her little kid who choose to wear scarf.


On another note it shows her Muslim husband is quite ok with her faith and attire.

Jana, from where I sit, the whole thing smells like a big pile of fresh steamy BS.

I am a doctor, and I am a father.

I have worked with kids in the clinic and I am trained in child psychology. I also have kids of my own who I have watched closely growing up.

Little girls mould themselves on their moms. Period.

Right down to using their lipstick and makeup and wearing their oversized stilletos.

This must be truly a "unique" little angel (the e comes before the l) who "chooses" to dress so unlike her mom.

Cheers, highly skeptical Doc

 

[toxic_pus]

Its her own choice just like her little kid who choose to wear scarf.

Doesn't Aliya's age give this 'choice' of her a whole new meaning?

Or are you going to stick with your assertion that choice of a 9 or so year old is same as the choice of a grown up woman in her 30s.

PS: Doc beat me to it

 

[ptldM3]

Take a look at the pic I posted about the author and her daughter. Read the article. After that tell me what part of her article is not making any sense ?

Sorry, but she is just a little girl, do you expect her to flaunt her stuff at her age? And i do not care that a little girl decided to wear a burqah, she is too young and not matured enough to care about how males perceive her and she does not speak for the majority of women. I have been around the block long enough to know that women like attention.

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana please do not foist your value system on to me my friend.

You are from Peshawar and I from Poona. We have grown up in two different worlds with very different definitions of what is "cheap."

As an illustration, I consider the holier than thou sanctimonious attitude of some Pakistanis who like to brand Indian women as sluts who get ahead just by showing a lot of T&A as cheap.

I have no desire to impose my values system on you ) for it was the same difference between our values that we separated from you.


As far as what is cheap and what is not well i am sure that Indian culture also does not like roaming by women in scanty outfits in the public (its another matter its a personal choice and the society cant do much)


Ban rave parties, says Goa woman legislator
Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:09:08 PM by IANS


Panaji, July 22 (IANS) Rave parties should be completely banned in Goa and scantily-clad women should be dropped from government advertisements promoting tourism outside the state, Goa’s only woman legislator Thursday said.
Speaking during a discussion in the assembly, Congress legislator Victoria Fernandes claimed that rave parties rampantly encouraged the use of drugs among tourists and local youngsters.

“Rave parties create a fearful atmosphere. Such night parties should be completely banned. They are having an evil impact on society,” she said.

Drug-laced rave parties are a common occurrence on several beaches along the state’s 105-km coastline, especially along beaches like Anjuna, Morjim, Arambol and Agonda.

The legislator from St Cruz legislative constituency, on the outskirts of Panaji, also criticised the Goa government’s tourism-related advertisements, which, she said, depicted women in bad light.

“The Goa government’s ads should not have scantily-clad women to attract tourists to the state. It is a dirty, insensitive trend which has to be stopped,” Fernandes said.


Ban rave parties, says Goa woman legislator

Suffice to say, our daughters are brought up and grow up in a very different world to what you know.

They grow up as liberated independent intelligent well-read articulate world-wise opinionated strong-willed women who live by their own rules and ethics and value systems.

And I would have it no other way.

Cheers, Doc

Doc very sad you have made the perfectly nice thread into tussle between India and Pakistan. And on top of it what a tunnel vision you are presenting here claiming that Indian women are more liberated independent intelligent well-read articulate world-wise opinionated strong-willed just because they grew up wearing scanty outfits


Come again we Pakistani women do not grew up in Pune lolzz but we are as much liberated independent intelligent well-read articulate world-wise opinionated strong-willed. Cheers

P.S. Jana, do you wear a burqa personally?

P.P.S. Jana, do you wear a headscarf personally?

P.P.S. If not, would you like to share with us why not?

I look forward to your reply as a liberated Pakistani woman and a journalist of some stature who is pretty vocal on women's rights in your own country.

1. Yes i do wear scarf and burqa Not for the religious reasons But for the same reason which this white woman Krista described in her write up about her small daughter.

Its my personal choice where-ever i feel i should wear these to avoid dirty stares by men i do wear these.

And i NEVER felt being NOT liberated while wearing these.


When i am wearing scarf or burqa i am the same Jana with all my abilities, the same Jana who is NOT wearing these.


The Bottom line is: It should be personal choice if anyone wants to wear bikini or stay nude or wear burqa or scarf.


I consider the opposition of all those nuts (to my personal choice of wearing scarf or burqa), a barbarism and curbing my right as much as i consider the opposition of all those nuts to my wearing western dress.

 

[Spring Onion]

Doesn't Aliya's age give this 'choice' of her a whole new meaning?

Or are you going to stick with your assertion that choice of a 9 or so year old is same as the choice of a grown up woman in her 30s.

PS: Doc beat me to it

What gives you the right to declares her choice as wrong??

what she will wear when she will grow up will be her personal choice just like today when she chose to wore what she liked.



I wonder why Indians are threatened by a small girls' choice to cover her body

 

[EgO Boy]

Yeh well unfortunately sometimes things are quiet opposite to what s written above. Like a Muslim LIKE wearing bikini & ultimately even become a pornstar!!

This documentary do contain some nud!ty but really is a nice watch

Diary of a **** Virgin.flv

HOW CAN U POST SUCH A PIECE OF ****.

 

[Awesome]

And while we are all indulging our naughty selves like Araz here, lets also take a look at the heights of absurdity .....

Cheers, Doc

When you use terms like absurdity, you're presupposing that the women are being forced to wear the burkha and that they are not wearing it themselves.

Now whats a gal who wants to wear the Burkha do? Stay off the beach so that others with rigid definitions of normal can be at ease? Who is being more restrictive here?

Maybe we should have one of those pictures reading out

You don't have to be a Mullah to be oppressive.

The Burkini does come in loose fitting as well. But I think you'll find that 99% of the women will be fine with that.

 

[toxic_pus]

1. Yes i do wear scarf and burqa Not for the religious reasons But for the same reason which this white woman Krista described in her write up about her small daughter.

Its my personal choice where-ever i feel i should wear these to avoid dirty stares by men i do wear these.

And i NEVER felt being NOT liberated while wearing these.


When i am wearing scarf or burqa i am the same Jana with all my abilities, the same Jana who is NOT wearing these.


The Bottom line is: It should be personal choice if anyone wants to wear bikini or stay nude or wear burqa or scarf.


I consider the opposition of all those nuts (to my personal choice of wearing scarf or burqa), a barbarism and curbing my right as much as i consider the opposition of all those nuts to my wearing western dress.

Didn't you claim to receive the following e-mail.

'Farzana Begum,
We have been noticing your movements in and around Peshawar and see that you are going around in western dress and not dressing as per Islam. We want to see you in Hijab, else we will take suitable action like throwing acid or giving you lashes.
Hukum,
Taliban-i-Peshawar'​

Are you saying that you have finally decided not to 'persevere at your own peril'

 

[roach]

Allow me to interject here- this is not an India vs. Pakistan thread.

I think the question here is whether Muslim women do Purdah because THEY LIKE IT or because of PRESSURE.

If they wear a simple loose salwar-kameez with a chunni, and they still get stared at by men, that says a lot about how frustrated the men around them are. Really? A salwar-kameez is so immodest that you need to cover it with a Burkha?

What is worse is the attitude of wearing a Headscarf in a public place so that strangers cannot look at your hair or whatever, and taking it off at a party at home.

Last I checked, that was hypocrisy. Are you telling me that every woman who wears a headscarf or does purdah does it out of personal choice and NO degree of pressure? That if they suddenly decide to do away with it, they're not going to get into trouble?

Purdah is regressive, primitive and a medieval relic of the past where invaders roamed the street and picked up women at will.

The moment you get into trouble for not complying with something, it no longer remains a choice.

 

[Awesome]

If you are talking about this quote: "A large part of a woman's self-esteem comes from male attention."

Then i disagree with you, given the choice a women will prefer to show off her assets, why else do women try so hard to look so pretty by spending their time and money on material possesions that enhances their attractivness; shoping for Shoes, cloths, and make-up has to tell you something. I doubt it is just a sick compulsion to waste their time and money.

Women are humans too, women love it when an attractive male glances at them just like men love it when an attractive women glances their way. Many women i have spoke to feel the same way, their self esteem goes up whe they get noticed.

You are right that women are human too and peer approval is liked by us all, opposite gender approval a little more. However the better ones from us all are always those that make healthy practical choices not emanating from peer pressure.

People start smoking due to peer pressure and to earn others approval at a young age.

Now I'm not saying that a woman must not try to look good, or 'show off her assets' if she wants to. I'm saying that if she doesn't want to, stop trying to strip her off her clothing. Respect her choice either.

 

[toxic_pus]

What gives you the right to declares her choice as wrong??

Sweet Aliya does give me the right to call it a child's whim.

what she will wear when she will grow up will be her personal choice just like today when she chose to wore what she liked.

*sigh*

 

[vsdoc]

I have no desire to impose my values system on you ) for it was the same difference between our values that we separated from you.

You did not separate from us because of difference in values, much as that is what every successive generation of Pakistanis has been brainwashed into believing for 63 years.

If you wanted to wear a burqa, you could have done so as an Indian muslim girl as well, so try another line please.

As far as what is cheap and what is not well i am sure that Indian culture also does not like roaming by women in scanty outfits in the public (its another matter its a personal choice and the society cant do much)

I hope you can see the difference between wearing normal clothes that most girls wear as against making it a wildly swinging pendulum oscillating between semi-nudity and bikini fever and the regressive dehumanisation of the burqa.

So again, what do rave parties in Goa frquented mainly by Israeli and German and Russian tourists have to do with how our women dress? C'mon Jana, you need to try harder!

Doc very sad you have made the perfectly nice thread into tussle between India and Pakistan. And on top of it what a tunnel vision you are presenting here claiming that Indian women are more liberated independent intelligent well-read articulate world-wise opinionated strong-willed just because they grew up wearing scanty outfits

The India-Pakistan thing came in with a Pakistani calling a perfectly innocuous comment by an Indian "cheap." I see that as a cultural thing between our respective cultures. Don't you?

Come again we Pakistani women do not grew up in Pune lolzz but we are as much liberated independent intelligent well-read articulate world-wise opinionated strong-willed. Cheers

If that's the case, I am happy for you and optimistic about your future as a nation. A strong family, a strong society, and a strong country, grows up on the back of its women first. And a strong Pakistan means less of a headache for India.

1. Yes i do wear scarf and burqa Not for the religious reasons But for the same reason which this white woman Krista described in her write up about her small daughter.

Its my personal choice where-ever i feel i should wear these to avoid dirty stares by men i do wear these.

And i NEVER felt being NOT liberated while wearing these.

When i am wearing scarf or burqa i am the same Jana with all my abilities, the same Jana who is NOT wearing these.

The Bottom line is: It should be personal choice if anyone wants to wear bikini or stay nude or wear burqa or scarf.

I consider the opposition of all those nuts (to my personal choice of wearing scarf or burqa), a barbarism and curbing my right as much as i consider the opposition of all those nuts to my wearing western dress.

Thank you for answering my questions, and apologies if you felt I was getting personal with someone I consider my friend. I probably had a different opinion having seen your photographs on the Net wearing neither. It is your choice as a grown lady, and I respect it.

Coming back to Aliya, she is not yet a grown lady. Hope you can appreciate the skepticism of some of us here on that score as to the issue of "free choice" and the hurrahs from many here that accompany that.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Awesome]

Sorry, but she is just a little girl, do you expect her to flaunt her stuff at her age? And i do not care that a little girl decided to wear a burqah, she is too young and not matured enough to care about how males perceive her and she does not speak for the majority of women. I have been around the block long enough to know that women like attention.

Liking attention and seeking attention are two different things and various women go for either things.

A lot of people who are much more fulfilled in life will lessen up in desperation to seek attention.

 

[Spring Onion]

Now I'm not saying that a woman must not try to look good, or 'show off her assets' if she wants to. I'm saying that if she doesn't want to, stop trying to strip her off her clothing. Respect her choice either.

Asim thats what i am saying. why these men who wants to see Women flesh are trying to strip every woman of her clothing who wants to wear it out of her own will???


I can agree with them Only if a woman is forced to wear all cover up dress against her will BUT why you want us to shed our cloths just because in your eyes a semi naked woman is more liberated .

 

[vsdoc]

When you use terms like absurdity, you're presupposing that the women are being forced to wear the burkha and that they are not wearing it themselves.

Now whats a gal who wants to wear the Burkha do? Stay off the beach so that others with rigid definitions of normal can be at ease? Who is being more restrictive here?

Maybe we should have one of those pictures reading out

You don't have to be a Mullah to be oppressive.

The Burkini does come in loose fitting as well. But I think you'll find that 99% of the women will be fine with that.

Cmon Asim! Be honest .... did the photos not crack you up? (you can PM me if you wish)

Cheers, Mullah Doc