What's new

Bihar alliance without a single elected Muslim

W.11

BANNED
Joined
Jan 20, 2011
Messages
15,032
Reaction score
-32
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
Bihar has for the first time since Independence got a ruling coalition without a single MLA from its largest minority community.
None of the four parties in the National Democratic Alliance — the BJP, Janata Dal United, Hindustani Awam Morcha Secular and Vikassheel Insan Party — has a single MLA from among Muslims, who make up over 16 per cent of the state's population.
Of these four, the JDU alone had fielded Muslim candidates, all 11 of whom lost.

Nitish Kumar, who on Monday took oath as chief minister for the seventh time and who flaunts his “socialist-secular” credentials, will therefore have to form a council of ministers without a single Muslim member elected directly by the people.
He has, of course, the option of engaging in the “tokenism” of appointing a Muslim minister and then nominating them to the state legislative council.

All the non-NDA parties or combines that have won seats — apart from the Lok Janshakti Party — have their share of Muslim MLAs. The Rashtriya Janata Dal has 8 Muslims among its 75 MLAs, the Congress has 4 out of 19, Asaduddin Owaisi’s AIMIM has 5 out of 5, and the Left parties have 1 out of 16. The Bahujan Samaj Party’s lone MLA is a Muslim.

Veteran socialist leader Shivanand Tiwary, who has worked with both Lalu Prasad and Nitish for over 40 years, put in perspective the loss of the JDU’s Muslim candidates despite their party’s origin and upbringing in Bihar’s socialist tradition.
He referred to developments at some of the joint campaign meetings held by Nitish and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the Seemanchal and Mithila areas.

“Nitish remained a silent spectator to Modi shouting ‘Jai Sri Ram’ and demonstrating his ‘victory’ in (amending) Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir to polarise the voters on communal lines from the dais,” he said.

“Faced with anger and anti-incumbency, Nitish’s JDU banked on the benefits of the polarisation that the speeches by the Prime Minister and Uttar Pradesh chief minister Adityanath delivered. Obviously, the minorities found the BJP and the JDU to be on the same page and didn’t vote for his candidates.”

Yet the JDU is in no way similar to the BJP in terms of origin, growth or larger ideology. Abdul Ghafoor, who was Bihar chief minister in the 1970s, was one of the founders of the Samata Party, from which the JDU was born in 1999.

Socialist stalwart George Fernandes, a Christian from Mangalore, had been chief of Samata and later the JDU. When Samata struck an alliance with the BJP in 1996, it had recorded its reservations about the BJP’s agenda of repealing Article 370, introducing a uniform civil code and building a Ram temple on the disputed plot in Ayodhya.

Muslims have held key ministerial and other constitutional posts ever since the first Assembly elections in Bihar in 1952, whether under the rule of the Congress, Samyukta Socialist Party, Janata Party, Janata Dal or the RJD — even under the BJP-JDU alliance headed by Nitish until the latest election.

From a larger perspective, the community has played a key role in Bihar’s history over the centuries. The road leading to Patna airport is named Peer Ali Marg after a hero of the 1857 revolt.

Socialist revolutionary Taqi Rahim was the right-hand man of Jayaprakash Narayan who led the 1970s movement from Bihar that led to Indira Gandhi’s Congress losing power at the Centre in the post-Emergency 1977 election.

Muslims have presided over both Houses in Bihar. Ghulam Sarwar was Speaker of the Assembly during Lalu Prasad’s first term as chief minister and Jabir Hussein was chairperson of the legislative council during the later years of RJD rule.

“While Nitish is on the verge of creating history by logging the longest tenure as Bihar chief minister after Sri Krishna Sinha, he will also go down in history as the one who led a coalition without a single Muslim MLA,” Shivanand said.

“He (Nitish) has actually achieved the larger goal of the RSS to relegate the minorities to second-class citizens and deny them representation in political governance.”

When Nitish led the Mahagathbandhan of the JDU, RJD and the Congress to power in 2015, his cabinet had the prominent Muslim face, Abdul Bari Siddiqui, from the RJD as finance minister.

After Nitish returned to the BJP in 2017, he had Khurshid Feroz, a JDU lawmaker from Sikta, in his council of ministers. Khurshid was known for chanting "Jai Sri Ram" and donning saffron.

Nitish has also had to accept the BJP central leadership's decision of replacing Sushil Kumar Modi with Tarkishore Prasad and Renu Devi as deputy chief ministers.

Sushil, one of the last stalwarts from the Atal Bihari Vajpayee-L.K. Advani era, had stuck with Nitish throughout his career as BJP-JDU chief minister -- even at the cost of angering the Hindutva hardliners in his own party.

Tarkishore represents the politics of polarisation and is the MLA from Katihar, which has a large Muslim population and borders election-bound Bengal.

“Nitish’s oft-repeated motto of observing the triple Cs -- that is, a policy of no compromise with communalism, crime or corruption -- now sounds like a joke,” D.M. Diwakar, social economist and professor at the AN Sinha Institute of Social Sciences, said.

"The results of this election have proved beyond doubt that the BJP, which bears the signature of Narendra Modi and Amit Shah, has thoroughly subsumed Nitish’s JDU.”


Nalin Verma is a veteran journalist and media educator
 
.
It's not that BJP did not fielded any Muslim candidates, in few seats where muslims form significant chunk of voters they did put up muslim candidates, but people there did not voted for them so what BJP do?
 
.
To your disappointment there are 24 assembly seats in Bihar where muslims are the single largest religious group counting for 47% of the population. But these Indian Muslims decided to vote for their local issues rather than on religious lines.. that should be a shut up call for your concern here
 
Last edited:
.
The continued spread of hindutva extremism

Marginalisation of Indian Muslims

Only option is Partition, India is a communal shithole

Indian Muslims need to push for areas of majority and create local micro economies separate from the hindutva
 
.
. How times have changed now, Muslims have been made inconsequential as a Vote Bank by consolidating the Hindu Vote .

lmao, win win for india, pakistan, india because they want hindutva govt, and pakistan wants it well :cheesy: we wish you a century of BJP/hindutva rule.

regards
 
.
In the past , Muslims had the Veto Power to decide the winner of most elections held in India and liberal/Secular parties would fall over each other to appease them. How times have changed now, Muslims have been made inconsequential as a Vote Bank by consolidating the Hindu Vote .


Yep,, just like Jinnah predicted and warned

Indian Muslims were always told that India would be a disaster

It's up to them to understand that India is there enemy and hindutva extremism is a poison that they have to stand up to
 
.
AMIM will make sure no Muslims will ever get a ministerial birth. A Muslim party in India
Their mere presence in elections will give an edge to BJP
 
.
AMIM will make sure no Muslims will ever get a ministerial birth. A Muslim party in India
Their mere presence in elections will give an edge to BJP

AMIMs responsibility will be for a separate political voice for 250 million Indian Muslims and detach them from the other parties

Those parties did little for Indian Muslims and Indian Muslims now need to consolidate their voice on their own path

A single muslim party that represents muslims can speak for Indian Muslims both within India but also outside India to external states and organisations on behalf of Indian Muslims

It is the need.of the hour
 
.
That's the reason they will do the max damage to Indian Muslims because they treat them as Muslims first so that will automatically ensure the other non-Muslims will vote for non-muslim parties as Muslims have a party solely for Muslims .... may be Owasis will win some seats but Indian Muslims will be the ultimate losers.

There is a reason AMIM is called BJP's B team.

AMIMs responsibility will be for a separate political voice for 250 million Indian Muslims and detach them from the other parties

Those parties did little for Indian Muslims and Indian Muslims now need to consolidate their voice on their own path

A single muslim party that represents muslims can speak for Indian Muslims both within India but also outside India to external states and organisations on behalf of Indian Muslims

It is the need.of the hour
 
.
Bihar has for the first time since Independence got a ruling coalition without a single MLA from its largest minority community.
None of the four parties in the National Democratic Alliance — the BJP, Janata Dal United, Hindustani Awam Morcha Secular and Vikassheel Insan Party — has a single MLA from among Muslims, who make up over 16 per cent of the state's population.
Of these four, the JDU alone had fielded Muslim candidates, all 11 of whom lost.

Nitish Kumar, who on Monday took oath as chief minister for the seventh time and who flaunts his “socialist-secular” credentials, will therefore have to form a council of ministers without a single Muslim member elected directly by the people.
He has, of course, the option of engaging in the “tokenism” of appointing a Muslim minister and then nominating them to the state legislative council.

All the non-NDA parties or combines that have won seats — apart from the Lok Janshakti Party — have their share of Muslim MLAs. The Rashtriya Janata Dal has 8 Muslims among its 75 MLAs, the Congress has 4 out of 19, Asaduddin Owaisi’s AIMIM has 5 out of 5, and the Left parties have 1 out of 16. The Bahujan Samaj Party’s lone MLA is a Muslim.

Veteran socialist leader Shivanand Tiwary, who has worked with both Lalu Prasad and Nitish for over 40 years, put in perspective the loss of the JDU’s Muslim candidates despite their party’s origin and upbringing in Bihar’s socialist tradition.
He referred to developments at some of the joint campaign meetings held by Nitish and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the Seemanchal and Mithila areas.

“Nitish remained a silent spectator to Modi shouting ‘Jai Sri Ram’ and demonstrating his ‘victory’ in (amending) Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir to polarise the voters on communal lines from the dais,” he said.

“Faced with anger and anti-incumbency, Nitish’s JDU banked on the benefits of the polarisation that the speeches by the Prime Minister and Uttar Pradesh chief minister Adityanath delivered. Obviously, the minorities found the BJP and the JDU to be on the same page and didn’t vote for his candidates.”

Yet the JDU is in no way similar to the BJP in terms of origin, growth or larger ideology. Abdul Ghafoor, who was Bihar chief minister in the 1970s, was one of the founders of the Samata Party, from which the JDU was born in 1999.

Socialist stalwart George Fernandes, a Christian from Mangalore, had been chief of Samata and later the JDU. When Samata struck an alliance with the BJP in 1996, it had recorded its reservations about the BJP’s agenda of repealing Article 370, introducing a uniform civil code and building a Ram temple on the disputed plot in Ayodhya.

Muslims have held key ministerial and other constitutional posts ever since the first Assembly elections in Bihar in 1952, whether under the rule of the Congress, Samyukta Socialist Party, Janata Party, Janata Dal or the RJD — even under the BJP-JDU alliance headed by Nitish until the latest election.

From a larger perspective, the community has played a key role in Bihar’s history over the centuries. The road leading to Patna airport is named Peer Ali Marg after a hero of the 1857 revolt.

Socialist revolutionary Taqi Rahim was the right-hand man of Jayaprakash Narayan who led the 1970s movement from Bihar that led to Indira Gandhi’s Congress losing power at the Centre in the post-Emergency 1977 election.

Muslims have presided over both Houses in Bihar. Ghulam Sarwar was Speaker of the Assembly during Lalu Prasad’s first term as chief minister and Jabir Hussein was chairperson of the legislative council during the later years of RJD rule.

“While Nitish is on the verge of creating history by logging the longest tenure as Bihar chief minister after Sri Krishna Sinha, he will also go down in history as the one who led a coalition without a single Muslim MLA,” Shivanand said.

“He (Nitish) has actually achieved the larger goal of the RSS to relegate the minorities to second-class citizens and deny them representation in political governance.”

When Nitish led the Mahagathbandhan of the JDU, RJD and the Congress to power in 2015, his cabinet had the prominent Muslim face, Abdul Bari Siddiqui, from the RJD as finance minister.

After Nitish returned to the BJP in 2017, he had Khurshid Feroz, a JDU lawmaker from Sikta, in his council of ministers. Khurshid was known for chanting "Jai Sri Ram" and donning saffron.

Nitish has also had to accept the BJP central leadership's decision of replacing Sushil Kumar Modi with Tarkishore Prasad and Renu Devi as deputy chief ministers.

Sushil, one of the last stalwarts from the Atal Bihari Vajpayee-L.K. Advani era, had stuck with Nitish throughout his career as BJP-JDU chief minister -- even at the cost of angering the Hindutva hardliners in his own party.

Tarkishore represents the politics of polarisation and is the MLA from Katihar, which has a large Muslim population and borders election-bound Bengal.

“Nitish’s oft-repeated motto of observing the triple Cs -- that is, a policy of no compromise with communalism, crime or corruption -- now sounds like a joke,” D.M. Diwakar, social economist and professor at the AN Sinha Institute of Social Sciences, said.

"The results of this election have proved beyond doubt that the BJP, which bears the signature of Narendra Modi and Amit Shah, has thoroughly subsumed Nitish’s JDU.”


Nalin Verma is a veteran journalist and media educator

Secularism wont happen when you purposefully hand over the MLA seat to a particular community .It will happen when each and every religion stays away from politics and keep same distance from all religion.Not minority appeasement .

Noone tell the muslims to vote that moron Owaisi .They failed their own MLAs.
AMIMs responsibility will be for a separate political voice for 250 million Indian Muslims and detach them from the other parties

Those parties did little for Indian Muslims and Indian Muslims now need to consolidate their voice on their own path

A single muslim party that represents muslims can speak for Indian Muslims both within India but also outside India to external states and organisations on behalf of Indian Muslims

It is the need.of the hour

Which hour ?
1 AM or 2 AM
In the past , Muslims had the Veto Power to decide the winner of most elections held in India and liberal/Secular parties would fall over each other to appease them. How times have changed now, Muslims have been made inconsequential as a Vote Bank by consolidating the Hindu Vote .

Some in this world wonder how the Hinduism managed to keep alive and thriving when all those other ancient civilizations extinct.

The answer is in yours reply.
Constantly adapting , evolving and improvise.
We are just evolved to use religion for votes .
lmao, win win for india, pakistan, india because they want hindutva govt, and pakistan wants it well :cheesy: we wish you a century of BJP/hindutva rule.

regards

Hopes you will say the same thing if GB and Azad Kashmir slips from your hand
 
Last edited:
.
That's the reason they will do the max damage to Indian Muslims because they treat them as Muslims first so that will automatically ensure the other non-Muslims will vote for non-muslim parties as Muslims have a party solely for Muslims .... may be Owasis will win some seats but Indian Muslims will be the ultimate losers.

There is a reason AMIM is called BJP's B team.


That's the way it's going in India

That was always bound to happen, because the alternative of become second class or lower class in a Hindutva society is intolerable


It was always what Jinnah warned about and why he insisted India must be partitioned



In the absence of main stream parties protection of muslim Rights, history, culture and identity falls on Indian Muslims themselves

And it's upto Indian Muslims to create their separate society within India as a bulwark against the hindutva extremism spreading in the rest of India


They have the numbers, 250 million people is huuuuugh



They need to pull Indian. Muslims towards a core and ultimately ensure that Indian Muslims look after Indian Muslims rights not the interests of a India that does not represent or protect them
 
.
You have no idea about India or its political system, again a Muslim-only party will marginalize hugggh Muslims of India, the fact is they will never form a govt and if they keep voting for Muslim party then as a reaction they will get further marginalize ....... As far as India is concerned Jinnah has gone 73 years ago now they have live with the set of rules under which the rest of non-Muslims are living in India .

AMIM is a good reminder for non-Muslims of India
That's the way it's going in India

That was always bound to happen, because the alternative of become second class or lower class in a Hindutva society is intolerable


It was always what Jinnah warned about and why he insisted India must be partitioned



In the absence of main stream parties protection of muslim Rights, history, culture and identity falls on Indian Muslims themselves

And it's upto Indian Muslims to create their separate society within India as a bulwark against the hindutva extremism spreading in the rest of India


They have the numbers, 250 million people is huuuuugh



They need to pull Indian. Muslims towards a core and ultimately ensure that Indian Muslims look after Indian Muslims rights not the interests of a India that does not represent or protect them
 
.
You have no idea about India or its political system, again a Muslim-only party will marginalize hugggh Muslims of India, the fact is they will never form a govt and if they keep voting for Muslim party then as a reaction they will get further marginalize ....... As far as India is concerned Jinnah has gone 73 years ago now they have live with the set of rules under which the rest of non-Muslims are living in India .

AMIM is a good reminder for non-Muslims of India


Indian Muslims are already marginalized

India's mainstream parties are just as worse as each other, it's not like Indian Muslims are protected from pogroms, hindutva police or lynchings under Congress

When the Indian Muslims vote is divided by these main stream parties, not only are Indian Muslims STILL marginalised but their is no coherent strategy amongst Indian Muslims, that's because they are following these national parties



By throwing the bulk of the Indian Muslims vote behind a single muslim party they can begin to build a coherent strategy and mechanism for the defence of Indian Muslims

It's very important going forward



Hindutva and hindutva politics in India is a reality
Jinnah was simply ahead of his time
But Jinnahs message is more important now for Indian Muslims then ever before

Indian Muslims can be a minority within India but if they plan they can make areas of majority for themselves, micro economies, those areas would then result in local muslim business development, security forces etc

It starts however with Muslim politics being a central force
 
.
Again I agree with you but they can't win even 10% of seats in parliament even if all of them vote for 1 party and in the process, 1 party will become rich but, the other side with 90% seats will form the govt and will not give a damm to the people represented by 10% seats.

The latest example is Bihar they used to vote for nonmuslim Bihari parties and some Muslim candidates get ministerial births but not they voted for a Muslim party and lost even those ministerial births .

And in India, even Muslims themselves are a divided lot .......

Bottom line is Muslim parties will damage the prospects of Muslims and will benefit the so called non-muslim parties

Indian Muslims are already marginalized

India's mainstream parties are just as worse as each other, it's not like Indian Muslims are protected from pogroms, hindutva police or lynchings under Congress

When the Indian Muslims vote is divided by these main stream parties, not only are Indian Muslims STILL marginalised but their is no coherent strategy amongst Indian Muslims, that's because they are following these national parties



By throwing the bulk of the Indian Muslims vote behind a single muslim party they can begin to build a coherent strategy and mechanism for the defence of Indian Muslims

It's very important going forward



Hindutva and hindutva politics in India is a reality
Jinnah was simply ahead of his time
But Jinnahs message is more important now for Indian Muslims then ever before

Indian Muslims can be a minority within India but if they plan they can make areas of majority for themselves, micro economies, those areas would then result in local muslim business development, security forces etc

It starts however with Muslim politics being a central force
 
.
Bihar has for the first time since Independence got a ruling coalition without a single MLA from its largest minority community.
None of the four parties in the National Democratic Alliance — the BJP, Janata Dal United, Hindustani Awam Morcha Secular and Vikassheel Insan Party — has a single MLA from among Muslims, who make up over 16 per cent of the state's population.
Of these four, the JDU alone had fielded Muslim candidates, all 11 of whom lost.

Nitish Kumar, who on Monday took oath as chief minister for the seventh time and who flaunts his “socialist-secular” credentials, will therefore have to form a council of ministers without a single Muslim member elected directly by the people.
He has, of course, the option of engaging in the “tokenism” of appointing a Muslim minister and then nominating them to the state legislative council.

All the non-NDA parties or combines that have won seats — apart from the Lok Janshakti Party — have their share of Muslim MLAs. The Rashtriya Janata Dal has 8 Muslims among its 75 MLAs, the Congress has 4 out of 19, Asaduddin Owaisi’s AIMIM has 5 out of 5, and the Left parties have 1 out of 16. The Bahujan Samaj Party’s lone MLA is a Muslim.

Veteran socialist leader Shivanand Tiwary, who has worked with both Lalu Prasad and Nitish for over 40 years, put in perspective the loss of the JDU’s Muslim candidates despite their party’s origin and upbringing in Bihar’s socialist tradition.
He referred to developments at some of the joint campaign meetings held by Nitish and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the Seemanchal and Mithila areas.

“Nitish remained a silent spectator to Modi shouting ‘Jai Sri Ram’ and demonstrating his ‘victory’ in (amending) Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir to polarise the voters on communal lines from the dais,” he said.

“Faced with anger and anti-incumbency, Nitish’s JDU banked on the benefits of the polarisation that the speeches by the Prime Minister and Uttar Pradesh chief minister Adityanath delivered. Obviously, the minorities found the BJP and the JDU to be on the same page and didn’t vote for his candidates.”

Yet the JDU is in no way similar to the BJP in terms of origin, growth or larger ideology. Abdul Ghafoor, who was Bihar chief minister in the 1970s, was one of the founders of the Samata Party, from which the JDU was born in 1999.

Socialist stalwart George Fernandes, a Christian from Mangalore, had been chief of Samata and later the JDU. When Samata struck an alliance with the BJP in 1996, it had recorded its reservations about the BJP’s agenda of repealing Article 370, introducing a uniform civil code and building a Ram temple on the disputed plot in Ayodhya.

Muslims have held key ministerial and other constitutional posts ever since the first Assembly elections in Bihar in 1952, whether under the rule of the Congress, Samyukta Socialist Party, Janata Party, Janata Dal or the RJD — even under the BJP-JDU alliance headed by Nitish until the latest election.

From a larger perspective, the community has played a key role in Bihar’s history over the centuries. The road leading to Patna airport is named Peer Ali Marg after a hero of the 1857 revolt.

Socialist revolutionary Taqi Rahim was the right-hand man of Jayaprakash Narayan who led the 1970s movement from Bihar that led to Indira Gandhi’s Congress losing power at the Centre in the post-Emergency 1977 election.

Muslims have presided over both Houses in Bihar. Ghulam Sarwar was Speaker of the Assembly during Lalu Prasad’s first term as chief minister and Jabir Hussein was chairperson of the legislative council during the later years of RJD rule.

“While Nitish is on the verge of creating history by logging the longest tenure as Bihar chief minister after Sri Krishna Sinha, he will also go down in history as the one who led a coalition without a single Muslim MLA,” Shivanand said.

“He (Nitish) has actually achieved the larger goal of the RSS to relegate the minorities to second-class citizens and deny them representation in political governance.”

When Nitish led the Mahagathbandhan of the JDU, RJD and the Congress to power in 2015, his cabinet had the prominent Muslim face, Abdul Bari Siddiqui, from the RJD as finance minister.

After Nitish returned to the BJP in 2017, he had Khurshid Feroz, a JDU lawmaker from Sikta, in his council of ministers. Khurshid was known for chanting "Jai Sri Ram" and donning saffron.

Nitish has also had to accept the BJP central leadership's decision of replacing Sushil Kumar Modi with Tarkishore Prasad and Renu Devi as deputy chief ministers.

Sushil, one of the last stalwarts from the Atal Bihari Vajpayee-L.K. Advani era, had stuck with Nitish throughout his career as BJP-JDU chief minister -- even at the cost of angering the Hindutva hardliners in his own party.

Tarkishore represents the politics of polarisation and is the MLA from Katihar, which has a large Muslim population and borders election-bound Bengal.

“Nitish’s oft-repeated motto of observing the triple Cs -- that is, a policy of no compromise with communalism, crime or corruption -- now sounds like a joke,” D.M. Diwakar, social economist and professor at the AN Sinha Institute of Social Sciences, said.

"The results of this election have proved beyond doubt that the BJP, which bears the signature of Narendra Modi and Amit Shah, has thoroughly subsumed Nitish’s JDU.”


Nalin Verma is a veteran journalist and media educator
How is this relevant to Pakistan's defense? We know Muslims are 4th Class citizens in India.
There is not a single Muslim in the ruling alliance, and there are no elected Muslims in over half the provincial assemblies.
Why do the enemy members on this forum get so defensive?
Pakistan has nothing to do with the status of Indian Muslims other than their role in the formation of our nation. There is nothing Pakistan can do for Indian Muslims and Indian Muslims do not want even our verbal sympathy.
It is a temporary phase. In twenty years Indian Muslims will be history. In fact an obituary for them has already been written:

 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom