Big Discussion - SINGAM LEAVES FOR CHINA: What are your expectations ?

[Optimos Prime IA]

Xi is the opposite of Modi. He comes from a very power and Rich family. He is the Indira Gandhi of China.

So far all I have seen is a huge Show put up as a Honey Pot. There has been NO resolution on ANY of our concerns.

No agreement on Border, No agreement on water sharing details, no agreement on stapled visas, No agreement on putting pressure on pakistan to stop terrorism,

OTOH Modi has provided the Chinese with E-Visa.

All those investment are because China needs somewhere to invest its capital rather than letting them rot in US treasury Bills. China today has excess capacity in building trains, power stations and transmission stations and most other things and needs to dump them in other markets.

China needs the deals as much as India, so that is not really any diplomatic offer to India.

Its too early to draw conclusions about the visit, but I will reserve my enthusiasm till the end and then we can draw conclusion.

Am not sure about Xi background but I pointed out that we came from oldest city of China and simple way of life .
Anyway you need to understand that India and China is not same as China and Pakistan .But again also not like India and Pakistan . We have trust deficit created for very long time due the the aggressive behavior of previous Chinese leaders who had inferior complex problems and paranoid about India's stand on Tibet . But time has changed our stand is very clear that we are not a rouge nation who want to invade but to defend yourself at any cost . Its a good attitude for making lots of friends who has intent to increase cooperation .
Saying that this visit is the start from 1 .This visit is more or less a stepping stones for larger goals .
Issues you raised :

-No agreement on border : Border disputes of 4 decades can't be resolved in 1 day or few months. Point is Chinese are aware that their position is too weak for legal and fair discussions. And so they till now avoided the talks to advanced .They want some thing to keep India pressurized for their own interest .So how this can be solved ? Simple first improve trade ,trust and business . It makes more dependable on each others . India has to become a super power or at least par with China economically and militarily with offensive capabilities. Then things could change when India recognized Tibet and North west provinces as China in a big way .

Trade deficits : These are already came up with president Xi and premiere Lee meetings with PM Modi . They have appointed a team of experts from both sides to sort of out . So its good progress

Staple Visas : As I said India is not looking to be Chinese pet but equal partners which China avoiding in the past of this privilege to India.Because it will under estimate Chinese influence. But now since we are looking relationship between us differently our PM said : We both should be sensitive hen dealing with each other so our relationship is not disrupted . And India as conveyed if Staples visa are not stopped India will do the same with Tibet, hong Kong and Xinjiang provinces which will create more trouble for China .So these will be sorted out .Even it was sorted a long time ago .

Pakistan : Dude you must I understand that this is the first time India has showed its view on Pakistan to China very strongly .Azad Kashmir same up while discussion . it's up to China not India .As India will do the same in yo hurt China in other means Like SCS .Our views been shared very clearly in recent times . That GOI openly said we won't allow China to mess up National Security in IOR and we will do everything to stop it . so its on right direction .

Money : Chinese want to invest and so they want to do it in India .what's wrong We do the same in Africa or else where Because of business and profit not for love and affection .At least not in all cases. So it is what it is .

Its time we combine our powers and improve our people life . China is in same rank that of India . Lower middle class . But China is in Top level and India is in Lowest level of middle class .So China also have long way to go . So does India .

 

[uparyupari]

Menu at the banquet hosted by Han Zheng for PM Modi

 

[Tractor]

Now Chinese realize that Indian belong to the westerners just like the westerners realized that Chinese do not belong to Caucasian people 200 years ago.

 

[OrionHunter]

Singam, ROFLOL!!!

Let's see what he does. Indian politicans are known to speak less and become soft-spoken in front of Chinese. Lets see what your "Singam" does in China.

Modi is Singham. What should we call Nawaz?

 

[uparyupari]

Anyway you need to understand that India and China is not same as China and Pakistan .But again also not like India and Pakistan . We have trust deficit created for very long time due the the aggressive behavior of previous Chinese leaders who had inferior complex problems and paranoid about India's stand on Tibet .

Its silly and foolish to attribute their aggression to inferiority complex. Their aggression has kept us on the back foot for a long time giving them the advantage. They manufactured the trust deficit and they gained from it, we lost.

But time has changed our stand is very clear that we are not a rouge nation who want to invade but to defend yourself at any cost . Its a good attitude for making lots of friends who has intent to increase cooperation .

That is the words of a loser. Not a winner. China does not speak that language and naturally they will not understand a word we say. They will only understand when we say we are not afraid to invade. Learn to speak their language so that they can understand you.

-No agreement on border : Border disputes of 4 decades can't be resolved in 1 day or few months. Point is Chinese are aware that their position is too weak for legal and fair discussions. And so they till now avoided the talks to advanced .They want some thing to keep India pressurized for their own interest .So how this can be solved ? Simple first improve trade ,trust and business . It makes more dependable on each others . India has to become a super power or at least par with China economically and militarily with offensive capabilities. Then things could change when India recognized Tibet and North west provinces as China in a big way .

Do you realize THIS is exactly what we say to the pakistani's when they insist we solve the kashmir dispute ?

We need to trade irrespective of disputes. It has nothing to do with trust, everything to do with leverage. If we have enough leverage we can also ask for a free Tibet.

Trade deficits : These are already came up with president Xi and premiere Lee meetings with PM Modi . They have appointed a team of experts from both sides to sort of out . So its good progress

Its only a PROMISE of progress. A lovers lies to get laid.

Staple Visas : As I said India is not looking to be Chinese pet but equal partners which China avoiding in the past of this privilege to India.Because it will under estimate Chinese influence. But now since we are looking relationship between us differently our PM said : We both should be sensitive hen dealing with each other so our relationship is not disrupted . And India as conveyed if Staples visa are not stopped India will do the same with Tibet, hong Kong and Xinjiang provinces which will create more trouble for China .So these will be sorted out .Even it was sorted a long time ago .

So far we have said nothing of that sort about tibet, hong kong and xingiang. On the contrary, we have unilaterly decided to provide E-Visa to the chinese.

Another victory to the chinese.

Pakistan : Dude you must I understand that this is the first time India has showed its view on Pakistan to China very strongly .Azad Kashmir same up while discussion . it's up to China not India .As India will do the same in yo hurt China in other means Like SCS .Our views been shared very clearly in recent times . That GOI openly said we won't allow China to mess up National Security in IOR and we will do everything to stop it . so its on right direction .

So a path of confrontation and mistrust is the path and is the right direction ?

Its time we combine our powers and improve our people life . China is in same rank that of India . Lower middle class . But China is in Top level and India is in Lowest level of middle class .So China also have long way to go . So does India .

To improve our people's life we need to work hard. Not ask the chinese to work hard for us

We need to provide education for our people, provide equal opportunity and safeguards against failures. These are things we need to do for ourselves, no one will do it for us. Not china, not the US.

I do not see much of a Chinese role here. if there is money to be made, the chinese will come, irrespective of whether we call them or not.

Now Chinese realize that Indian belong to the westerners just like the westerners realized that Chinese do not belong to Caucasian people 200 years ago.

LOL. Good for you.

 

[cloud_9]

Breaking News : Deals worth 22 billion USD to be signed today at shanghai , China .Last leg of three day China tour. And very huge break thruat all front

Those are B2B deals mostly.Indian companies will buy Chinese hardware and the Chinese banks will finance it.

 

[uparyupari]

Those are B2B deals mostly.Indian companies will buy Chinese hardware and the Chinese banks will finance it.

Most are there for participating in the china focused SEZ being built in Gujarat and Maharashtra.

PM Modi to Chinese CEOs: I assure you of my personal attention for your success - The Times of India

Twenty-one agreements worth $22 billion were signed at the India-China Business Forum.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

Its silly and foolish to attribute their aggression to inferiority complex. Their aggression has kept us on the back foot for a long time giving them the advantage. They manufactured the trust deficit and they gained from it, we lost.

Oh boy .You need to learn more about characteristics if China . Do one thing just Google : Inferiority complex of China .It will be enough to prove its not my illusion but historical facts and debated for very long time . And yeswe let Chinese to take over us .But its more to do with Nonsense policies followed by Stupid congress .Still our IA showed its not a walkover in 1967 .Til now no bullets fired it itself a huge success in terms of dealing with expansionists.

That is the words of a loser. Not a winner. China does not speak that language and naturally they will not understand a word we say. They will only understand when we say we are not afraid to invade. Learn to speak their language so that they can understand you.

Dude get real . If you think IA is just another army .We both know about our powers .We don't have to learn their language but teach them our language .Today we enjoy over whelming support from global community which China as failed to do so

Do you realize THIS is exactly what we say to the pakistani's when they insist we solve the kashmir dispute ?

Dude its the reality . You can wake up a person who is sleeping but how can you wake up a person who want to pretend to be sleeping ? So I need to inflict fear so this person don't play fool around you . Its gonna tale a while . First we need to improve trust .

We need to trade irrespective of disputes. It has nothing to do with trust, everything to do with leverage. If we have enough leverage we can also ask for a free Tibet.

Free Tibet ? How and then what ? Don't be a fool .Tibetan movement is long gone even Dalai Lama now says Tibet belongs to China . What is there for us to do ? We can mess it up but it should be our last resort when we are at verge of war .Not while we invite Chinese to Make in India .U got my point ?

Its only a PROMISE of progress. A lovers lies to get laid.



So far we have said nothing of that sort about tibet, hong kong and xingiang. On the contrary, we have unilaterly decided to provide E-Visa to the chinese.

Another victory to the chinese.

Are you sure we never conveyed ? We conveyed it a long back ago in UPA rule itself . And matter was solved and done .

So a path of confrontation and mistrust is the path and is the right direction ?



To improve our people's life we need to work hard. Not ask the chinese to work hard for us

See if you don't have anything to offer for this discussion just keep quite .You look like uneducated moron wuthbtgese comments . We are working hard but we don't have enough money for our aspiration. So when China has tons of Money its a wise move to use it for our development .This is how global economy works .

We need to provide education for our people, provide equal opportunity and safeguards against failures. These are things we need to do for ourselves, no one will do it for us. Not china, not the US.

I do not see much of a Chinese role here. if there is money to be made, the chinese will come, irrespective of whether we call them or not.



LOL. Good for you.

No one is asking US China or Vietnam to teach our kids .We just asking to do business . And the educational health in India as improved but not st what we wanted .Thanks to congress and regional parties .We will improve

Very one will come and invest in India or else where only if its profitable . Will u invest in a stock market company which is incurring loss ?

Plz don't waste my time .I can't spoon feed you or its my duty to change your mindset . So what ever makes you happy thanks

Those are B2B deals mostly.Indian companies will buy Chinese hardware and the Chinese banks will finance it.

Not entirely . But partially . Looks like Chinese have understood that if the invest money in growing economy like India it will help India to grow even further .And so capacity of India to import goods will increase .Now with these matured ties in economic development China will have fair place to bargain for more imports . Chinese will have bring in their industries into India .This is our focus for now to address Trade deficit imbalance

Watch PM address indians in China at 1 PM .... Lots and Lots of celebration

 

[OrionHunter]

Most are there for participating in the china focused SEZ being built in Gujarat and Maharashtra.

PM Modi to Chinese CEOs: I assure you of my personal attention for your success - The Times of India

Twenty-one agreements worth $22 billion were signed at the India-China Business Forum.

Wow! Another $22 billion! Let's check out the total investments......

Substantial will be the high speed rail corridor from Chennai to New Delhi for which feasibility studies are already underway costing $20 million. The project would cost approx $10 billion.

At present Chinese companies are involved in infrastructure development in India worth $40 billion. President Xi Jinping also signed landmark deals during his vist to India in 2014 which will see China investing $20 billion in infrastructure etc.

So that totals up to $80 billion including the recent $10 billion signed in Beijing. Add to that the latest deals worth $22 Billion signed at the India-China Business Forum today.

That makes a grand total of $102 Billion!

Way to go!

Cheers!

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

What a speech by our PM in China still going on ... More than 1.30 hrs so far .

 

[HariPrasad]

Menu at the banquet hosted by Han Zheng for PM Modi

Yes As expected Menu is vegetarian and simple.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Modi is Singham. What should we call Nawaz?

We can call Nawaz a witty and funny name or a disgusting and vile abuse. But Nawaz is not the PM of India and calling him anything will change nothing in India or for its people.

As a man I have some respect for Modi mainly so because he is willing to work but more importantly his political rivals in the two parties are a bunch of ***tiyas. It is Modi that people of India are expecting results from and it is Modi who will face the public ire and a lot of name calling if he fails to deliver.