Bhutan, Nepal, Japan, Australia... India's China policy in view now?

[Sheikh Rauf]

You have got the pulse of the Aussies, Japs and Pakistan right.

Now consider this. India and Pakistan are pretty much the same race of people with similar martial history, mindset and tradition. If you think pakistan with 1/7 India's size can stubbornly continue to go toe to toe with India, What do you think India can do to China when both has the same population, and economically is 1/3 of china ?

Historically India has taken on and defeated pakistan and split their country into two when they were prepared for war. Today pakistan is half that size, think what India could do.

Historically China too defeated India, but when it was not prepared for war and when the cuban missile crisis was going on. It later withdrew because it could not sustain that attack due to weak logistics. Do you really think china can do it again ?



In case you are not aware, Indian troops man Bhutan and Nepal. Going through them is as easy or as difficult as going through India. Which is to say, not easy at all.



The ONLY nation who can play Robin to US against China is India. Who else can provide the US with an army that is as large as the Chinese army ?

Do you really think china is the only nation working towards fighting a modern war with refuellers, helicopters and other gizmo's ?

WHO SAID WE ARE SAME AS INDIAN..
JUST KEEP IN YOUR BRAIN TWO NATION THEORY..
WE MIGHT BE LIVING SIDE BY SIDE BUT DISTANCE IS EAST TO WEST BETWEEN US

 

[kalanirnay]

WHO SAID WE ARE SAME AS INDIAN..
JUST KEEP IN YOUR BRAIN TWO NATION THEORY..
WE MIGHT BE LIVING SIDE BY SIDE BUT DISTANCE IS EAST TO WEST BETWEEN US

LOL.....whatever.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

i think we have to remind you what you have done in Kashmir and still , dont forget what you have done to Sikhs in their highest worship place of golden temple, whats going on in Asam.. Nagaland.. you dont consider their blood is blood .. 4 fingers towards you before you point a finger to Pak,
and Kashmis issue is not gonna be linger for long.

LOL.....whatever.

i am glad you keeping it lightly..

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Modi is full time into fixing external affairs and china. He knows fixing that would solve more than half of the issues the country has. India needs Modi.

 

[Indrani]

China was weak, and India didn't even had a decent military to speak of back then, Nehru believed that a country like India with no natural enemies didn't need a military, only police is enough for its security!! The plan was to bring down Indian military to 150,000 personnel only, in 1962 we had close to 250,000 military personnel with WW2 era Enfield rifles, as not a single penny was spent on military modernization in last 15 years since independence, and almost ALL of them were posted in Pakistan border. There were several high-level army reports to PMO about Chinese military build-up and probable attack with specifics to counter them, but Nehru sat on those reports for years and did nothing, as he relied more on his stupid civilian defence minister who was couple of notch more naive than Nehru in military matters.

Add to that, Nehru never really fought the war (He was always a reluctant decision maker, as I see him), for a month of attack he didn't send any enforcement from our western border, he didn't send our reserves stationed at Eastern bases, he didn't even send supply when our ill-equipped army ran out of ammo, he didn't use air-force when China was not in a position to provide much of resistance on air in that particular region, and all this when our 8,000-10,000 soldiers were facing about 100,000 better-equipped Chinese soldiers with LMGs. Btw, Nehru was busy sending peace-keeping missions to Korea though!!

It was only after 1962 that India started militarizing, and started counting China as a threat. A lot has changed since 1962 to predict any outcome based on that war. @Genesis for you also. Okay, let me tag @Chinese-Dragon also.

In any other self-respecting country, Nehru would have been tried and hung for treason.

 

[wolfschanzze]

In this modern era, I don't think that a war will going to happen unless both sides want it. Second thing is that I am never in favour of war between any country, the above thing was "this can happen" thing. Third is that you are new and nothing else is expected from you.

1. Now the real answer is that Japan don't have nukes because they have support of USA and they don't want anything else. They know they will get economic sanction if they ever try to possess some.
2. China will never fight with India unless you are trying to hurt them like you did before. You started war and loss it.
3. Australia and Japan have not been in a serious war and Australia never had invasion from their neighbours and other countries who try to capture their land so militarily wise they are not that much experienced than Pakistan. But they may possess latest technology but not experience.

What was the result of Kargil?? Now don't say that you won that war. You wanna talk about 1971? Bangladesh got separation because of some other things and not your invasion of east Pakistan. Bangladesh was not half Pakistan so our power didn't went 50% down. Your war with China is different. China was weak but still they somehow won in war against you. Now they are even more powerful from you economically and militarily.

What was Soviets doing in south Asia during 1971 war?

FYI,in 1962 Nehru was of the view India didn't have any enemies and wanted to disband Army and use that defence money on Human Resources while Indian Police would administer and protect India.
That was the reason Defence Minister V.K. Menon who was a communist who believed Chinese Hindi chino bhai bhai talk ordered, Ordinance factories and DRDO to make Refrigerators,Coffee makers & home Appliances etc. Instead of Guns and Ammunition. that is how we lost when we were at the weakest about to disband our Army for good.
1962 changed perspective Kicked Sleepy Nehru in the butt and from there on Army only went building strength as the Chinese came to know Indian Army was not the same unprepared one they faced in 1962,during the Nathula and Chola incident.In fact in 1962 they went back as they couldn't sustain the logistics and India was turning on the heat then.
2014 China is good military wise but they won't make the same mistake like Chola now.Chinese are more sensible and intelligent enough to know that.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Oh the grandiosity about India.
Do you think that you are the ONLY ones with brain in your body? The rest of the countries, specifically, the US has lost its brain power for some reason? A country that has been ruling the world and playing strategy, literally has lost it and "you, the mighty India" are using us as a business opportunity???? Here's the reality, sorry, it is ABOUT to bite:

1) We and others look at India as a market, someone who'll buy our weapons and will modernize its military. Resulting in us (The Americans, the Australians and others) , will use you as a "cheaper and readily available" rent a military force to be used for OUR purposes. Call this the NEXT phase of job outsourcing, we are outsourcing military jobs to you in this case, while we still rule the world.
So, yea, this is the reality, you guys buy our weapons and give us some of the $$ back even with the TOT or not. Next, you guys be used for military issues. You want to show your little macho muscles with your small 600 jet force, we have issues for you where using you is much cheaper than moving a CBG 1000 miles away (just like the IT jobs situation). And it'll give your military a chance to show some muscles and get paid.

2) The US and Japan and Australia don't feel shi*t. They want to sell you stuff and that's the bottom line. The US at WILL can literally go into any country and do what its supposed to do. When it comes to a military solution, we know how to manage it, this is 2014. A FULL Century since the WWI. So a hundred years of military conflicts and strategy.

Remember, the love affair started with India having a billion people. It'll remain the case till your economy is saturated. Then you'll become like Germany, we'll go say hi and all probably have Naval facilities. But it won't be a "strategic relationship" beyond interests. At the end, we would we've made the money, you got paid for your military services and now you are a "friendly" semi modern country.

The American think tanks (irrespective of what you read in the media), ALREADY know that under ANY situation, India is NOT to be trusted. There is NO WAY you guys will get into a fight that was originally started between the US and the Chinese. You'll chicken out.

The US Military always has and always will ensure the safety and the security of its people and its national interests. It never has and will never need "partners" to go into a direct conflict. As a part of the NATO and other agreements, we'll always honor it.

But to protect our interests, we go alone as needed and don't put others in charge of our interests. Always remember this post next time you write these grandiose posts like "the Americans don't think our security is complete until India joins the group", WTF. Our donated jobs and money is barking at us lol

Only India can provide Asian Pivot with a Army to match China given our huge manforce.That's the biggest factor.
Don't you think we know why you want India to join?If you think you are using us to achieve your aims were using you too.USA knows China will start to threaten its hegemony soon that's why its propping up India and we already know that. Selling Modern weapons or not that's the prime objective.

 

[AgentOrange]

today's india is in reality more powerful, if not equal to, than china, at least, militarily. economically india is weaker than china, everyone knows it but militarily india is stronger. i believe that if indian border guards open fire at chinese when they try to dismantle border posts, chinese won't retaliate. once indian border posts open fire, border problem will be solved and the indian people should encourage the border guards to open fire. once that is done, chinese will start respecting indian border posts.

You think China won't do anything - that China won't retaliate if your border guards attack Chinese border guards? Try it and see what happens.

today's india is in reality more powerful, if not equal to, than china, at least, militarily.

 

[Tshering22]

The article is too direct and doesn't highlight the main idea.

The message was simply to Nepal & Bhutan that they are our neighbours and as neighbours we can do well if we engage with each other more. Not like the democracy worshipping nonsense this writer has written. For heaven's sake, it is just a form of governance. Not something ordained by Mother Nature.

Secondly, Modi ji's priority is to address the nation's pressing concerns; economy & job creation.

Engaging in trade and removing barriers for manufacturing would create jobs and reduce social tensions which otherwise cloud people's thinking.

Third priority is to go on a cleanliness overdrive to encourage tourism as an important revenue industry. We have literally thousands and thousands of beautiful places in the country, but they are in a terrible state. Except a handful of state governments, rest are all simply looting the funds allocated for development of tourism in their respective states.

All of the above, while ensuring that our territorial integrity is not compromised.

There is no drum beating about it.

Japan, Australia, China, USA, Nepal, Bhutan, Russia or any other country; our new government's priority is India's interests, while mutually benefiting with our international partners. And that too never at the expense of our national integrity.

 

[IndoCarib]

India, Bhutan to hold 3rd round of development talks on Thursday | The Indian Express

 

[OrionHunter]

Pakistan is a military nation, regardless of their other short comings, they are quite powerful in military terms. In terms of a war, they are far better than even Japan and Australia, not perhaps in capabilities, but in terms of the ability to sustain and conduct a war.

You seem to love Pakistan so much that you've lost touch with reality. Considering Pakistan's economy, it will not last more than 10 days in a war with Australia. Anyway, this is hypothetical as there will never be a war between the two.

As for Bhutan and Nepal, they are the Belgium of Asia, any move against India will be made through there. So having them in your pocket is the same as not having it, we can both quite easily pass through them in case of war.

Magnificent delusions! You don't have a clue on how geopolitics works.

Now before someone flys off the handle and say no war will happen, no ****, we are on a forum discussing a topic that pretty much says India has encircled us, I think we can talk a little strategy.

You and talking strategy? What are your credentials? Your arguments don't give you much credibility on this front.

 

[Genesis]

You seem to love Pakistan so much that you've lost touch with reality. Considering Pakistan's economy, it will not last more than 10 days in a war with Australia. Anyway, this is hypothetical as there will never be a war between the two.

lol, you got problems understanding things. I said Pakistan can last longer in a war than Australia, not with Australia. First world nations, minus US and maybe UK cannot sustain casualties.

Pakistan mean while could, which is why in war Pakistan may not be able to "win," but they sure as hell can hold an enemy for pretty much indefinitely.

which is valuable time and resources that will be drained on the other side.

Magnificent delusions! You don't have a clue on how geopolitics works.

You know how Germany invades France each time, holding on the Chinese front, charging straight through Nepal, and we can encircle everything you got in there.

You seem to think we need permission, but if war happens between us, something must have gone horribly wrong and going into Nepal won't even be anything of note in that case.

You and talking strategy? What are your credentials? Your arguments don't give you much credibility on this front.

what are mine? lol, do I need it? Is this a national defence meeting.

 

[Europa]

You think China won't do anything - that China won't retaliate if your border guards attack Chinese border guards? Try it and see what happens.

nothing will happen because if china retaliates, russia will stab china in the back. and china knows it. bricks is only the show on the surface, under the surface, brahmos means brahmaputra of india and moskova of russia

 

[AgentOrange]

nothing will happen because if china retaliates, russia will stab china in the back. and china knows it. bricks is only the show on the surface, under the surface, brahmos means brahmaputra of india and moskova of russia

Ground was just broken for that 400 billion dollar China/Russia gas deal. If India is lucky, you'll be allowed to have a bit of oil after your paltry 40 billion dollar deal. So yeah, Russia will stab China in the back? Keep dreaming. Bottom line, Chinese troops set up camp "30 km inside Indian territory" according to you guys and you don't do anything. And now, you're gonna shoot a few Chinese troops because that will cause the PLA to capitulate? Keep dreaming.

BTW, the brahmos might be a portmanteau of brahmaputra and moskova, implying equal contribution to the project, but we know that India provides the funds and Russia does all the work. India has zero technical expertise to contribute, other than the paint job. Just like the Pak-FA. Keep giving Russia money and they won't dump you to the curb.

And btw, the next time Chinese troops are "in your territory", be a dear and send over some tea and smokes. You obviously don't have the balls to do anything other than that so stop pretending like you will.

 

[Europa]

Ground was just broken for that 400 billion dollar China/Russia gas deal. If India is lucky, you'll be allowed to have a bit of oil after your paltry 40 billion dollar deal. So yeah, Russia will stab China in the back? Keep dreaming. Bottom line, Chinese troops set up camp "30 km inside Indian territory" according to you guys and you don't do anything. And now, you're gonna shoot a few Chinese troops because that will cause the PLA to capitulate? Keep dreaming.

BTW, the brahmos might be a portmanteau of brahmaputra and moskova, implying equal contribution to the project, but we know that India provides the funds and Russia does all the work. India has zero technical expertise to contribute, other than the paint job. Just like the Pak-FA. Keep giving Russia money and they won't dump you to the curb.

And btw, the next time Chinese troops are "in your territory", be a dear and send over some tea and smokes. You obviously don't have the balls to do anything other than that so stop pretending like you will.

first, xi will accept arunachal pradesh as part of india during his stay in india or immediately after that
second, within six months, aksai chin will be vacated
third, you will see whether these are rumors or facts