Bhensa has been controlled.

[VCheng]

How cute. You mean we should sit back and let them poison the minds of our youth. Are u really that innocent?
Its obligatory for us to leave the correct explanation for the matters they are discussing about islam

The real question is why are the youth seeking out such material in the first place?

 

[Musketeeer]

So what is the plan? Try and shut down anything on the Internet that offends Pakistanis? More illegal abductions? Even if such material is banned within Pakistan, the rest of the world will continue to express itself. Such reactions only show the insecurity of both the people and the State.

We did it against the TTP, we will do it against these blasphemors.
In the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]

The real question is why are the youth seeking out such material in the first place?

1. Facebook shows it on its own.
2. They share some other justifiable posts which liberals and secular share.
You are asking very silly questions.

 

[VCheng]

We did it against the TTP, we will do it against these blasphemors.
In the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]

MashaAllah. I wish you, and your kindred spirits, the very best of luck in your efforts.

 

[Musketeeer]

MashaAllah. I wish you, and your kindred spirits, the very best of luck in your efforts.

I am sure you mean sarcasm.

 

[VCheng]

I am sure you mean sarcasm.

No, I am sincere in wishing your efforts lots of luck. You will need it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I think admins should amend the regulations of this forum that anyone talks bad about any religion will be immediately banned.

And then you'll have a pretty large chunk of Pakistanis (who cant refrain from derogatory comments about Hinduism/Hindus and Judaism/Jews) getting banned, if such a rule were to be applied fairly ...

 

[Musketeeer]

No, I am sincere in wishing your efforts lots of luck. You will need it.

We will do what we can for ajar, Allah will set the course of events.

 

[VCheng]

And then you'll have a pretty large chunk of Pakistanis (who cant refrain from derogatory comments about Hinduism/Hindus and Judaism/Jews) getting banned, if such a rule were to be applied fairly ...

Wisely, there is a lot of "flexibility" in the way rules are applied for the betterment of the forum.

 

[M. Sarmad]

There is a loophole in cyber crime law that can be exploited and I wont support any effort for release of those who mocked the death of Pakistanis

What loophole are you talking about ? Elaborate please


No one is supporting any efforts for release of those who committed (any) crime but it is a settled law that accused, unless proved guilty, is presumed to be innocent.


Article 10 A of the Constitution of Pakistan states:

Right to fair trial:

For the determination of his civil rights and obligations or in any criminal charge against him a person shall be entitled to a fair trial and due process


So, until and unless the "accused" are produced before a court of law and the guilt of the accused has been established beyond reasonable doubt, they will be presumed innocent

I believe it is worse to convict/punish innocent people than to acquit guilty people, and I won't support any effort to undermine/violate the constitution of Pakistan, or denial of basic rights to any citizen of Pakistan.

Regards.

It may have been ordered for a particular situation and particular time. Neither u neither I am eligible to comprehend it. At that time muslims were few, but now Pakistan is our country and we will not sit tight while someone ridicule our beloved.
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The Holy Quran says that Allah is the ultimate judge and legislator, and that the Muslims should judge according to the divine revelation. The Holy Quran does not prescribe any worldly punishment for blasphemy. But it clearly tells us to avoid blasphemers/blasphemy. The validity of moral/legal Quranic regulations is not time or context bound

As for our ineligibility to comprehend Quran, again your understanding of Quran is in contradiction with clear Quranic verses. Allah repeatedly tells us in the Holy Quran that he has made Quran easy to understand and remember

We did it against the TTP, we will do it against these blasphemors.
In the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]

Distortion by Hadith and traditional tafsirs is a major obstacle in our understanding of the true messages of the Quran. Thus a most serious reason of our misreading of the Quran is the centuries-old fossilization of the traditionally accepted ‘meanings’ of its words and narrations – often through unreliable secondary materials.

Anyway, I suggest you to read Imam Nawawi's explanation of this hadith. Only the state has the right to use hand/force. Scholars can use their tongue .... It's not for ordinary men like you or I to change evil with our hands


Regards

 

[Mrc]

I dont think there can be argument about

Right of free trial.. ...

But why is every one just persuming they hve been taken by state???
Why not to just malign the state like in sabeen mahmood case

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Can you please quote the law that makes these abductions without any due process legal based on such accusations? If they are guilty of what you say, then let a competent authority present the evidence in court and follow procedure.

Right now, those abductors, whoever they might be, are just as much criminal as any other thug.

The only time "abduction" is justified is if there's a credible threat to national security so either there's information you and I don't have; or the govt (if he is under govt detention) should bring him before a civil court.

And anyone who mocks dead Pakistanis and spreads Indian propoganda in Pakistan deserves the same
You never visited bhensa page i did i know what filth he shared

Can you explain some of the material? I never saw this page (nor want to give it page attention). But I am curious

I dont think there can be argument about

Right of free trial.. ...

But why is every one just persuming they hve been taken by state???
Why not to just malign the state like in sabeen mahmood case

Militant groups most likely did it. They murdered Ms Mahmud. But certain people will of course blame "agencies" to malign them

 

[Zibago]

Can you explain some of the material? I never saw this page (nor want to give it page attention). But I am curious

The old admins have been arrested and new the page was taken down the content you will see now under bhensa page is not the content original admins posted which included item songs videos with tilawat sound behind them,stupid cartoons mocking state of Pakistan and death of Pakistani civilians and soldiers,glorifying bla activities
They can easily be booked under article 6

 

[Patriots]

 

[VCheng]

The only time "abduction" is justified is if there's a credible threat to national security

Really? Can you please show me which law in Pakistan states that justification for abduction of its citizens within its jurisdiction? Or is it just another illegal power that "noble warriors" seem to have granted themselves?

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Any PDF member beaten up? Or doing the beating?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1309168/pu-student-tortured

PU student tortured
THE NEWSPAPER'S STAFF REPORTER

LAHORE: A student of the Punjab University Law College was tortured by some students for allegedly tweeting in favour of a missing blogger on Tuesday.

The student, a resident of hostel number 1, had allegedly tweeted in support of the missing activist and blogger and shared a poem of Faiz Ahmad Faiz to express solidarity with him.

A PU official told Dawn a group of students reached the student’s room and beat him up. The victim had to get medical aid. He refused to talk to Dawn.

The PU spokesman said VC Dr Zafar Mueen Nasir had ordered probe into the matter and a case would be registered against the culprits.

Published in Dawn, January 18th, 2017

 

[Muzamil1122]

Yes @Horus ..Good work indeed.. following your efforts from sometime now.. You really put some fireworks in 5th columns pants..Thumbs up

Great job done by you keep your good job going and expose these traitor brigades