BHAGAT SINGH :THE MAKING OF THE REVOLUTIONARY

[Spring Onion]

So you agree Balochis are freedom fighters too?

do you agree to one standard definition of freedom fighter for all including balochs, Maoists, bodos, nagas and so on ???



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[Paan Singh]

Bhindrewalla would also be revered as a hero as bhagat??? or Bhindrewalla is a terrorist???

i can say same abt scenario going on in pakistan
so u must be careful....we are best in diverting topic or trolling.

 

[Spring Onion]

you must be selective as like u r now and we are....
u r trying too much to divert the topic but u can write freely on bhagat rather than making use of him to divert the topic..

he is given more respect in Pakistan than your bharat. that i will tell you later. but first lets define who is a freedom fighter and who is Not.

if bhagat singh is a freedom fighter then Kashmiris are also freedom fighter and there must be one standard for all. NO word like terrorist or even militant be used for other freedom fighters too

 

[Spring Onion]

i can say same abt scenario going on in pakistan
so u must be careful....we are best in diverting topic or trolling.

The problem of definition is at your end we are very clear about it.

you dint reply me if Bhindrewalla is a freedom fighter or a terrorist ??

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

he is given more respect in Pakistan than your bharat. that i will tell you later. but first lets define who is a freedom fighter and who is Not.

if bhagat singh is a freedom fighter then Kashmiris are also freedom fighter and there must be one standard for all. NO word like terrorist or even militant be used for other freedom fighters too

As I said, a freedom fighter is defined by the justness of his cause, the culpability of his victims, and the means that he uses to achieve the same.

Fighting to suppress people on the basis of religion is not freedom fighting but terrorism.

Now please get back to topic.

 

[ares]

do you agree to one standard definition of freedom fighter for all including balochs, Maoists, bodos, nagas and so on ???



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Maoists are fighting to install communist regime and not separate nation.
Ya, but according to you since Kashmirs are freedom fighters..so will be these?

 

[Paan Singh]

he is given more respect in Pakistan than your bharat. that i will tell you later. but first lets define who is a freedom fighter and who is Not.

if bhagat singh is a freedom fighter then Kashmiris are also freedom fighter and there must be one standard for all. NO word like terrorist or even militant be used for other freedom fighters too

disagree with the first bolded part..
i have seen the comments of pakistanis and seen may using him as leverage for offtopic rants

and second bolded part shows that i was right!!
u r trying to go to divert the topic..
if it is,go open other thread..

 

[KS]

lolzz you can or not that is not my issue.

if others are terrorists who are fighting for freedom then everyone is including bhagat is a terrorist if not then everyone is a freedom fighter.


you cant be selective .

WHen Pakistani Punjabis fight for Kashmiri 'freedom', which is what is happenening most these days then they are most certainly terrorists.

Moreover, you delusions aside , Kashmir was never separate entity from Bharat. We have centuries old cultural,religious and people to people ties there.

Hech the name Kashmir came from the name of a Hindu sage and until the murderer Sikander came the whole of Kashmir was Hindu/Buddhist and even now some of our most sacred places are in Kashmir.

So lay off from comparing Indians in Kashmir and brits in Subcontinent.

 

[Manas]

Jana has put this thread on 4th gear.

BHAGAT SINGH is respected as Freedom fighter by his own country men , thats what matters .

Rest of the world can carry on the debate .

 

[alphamale]

i won't give justification abt bhagat singh, but those who are carrying out so called freedom struggles in name of religion are undoubtedly the biggest terrorist in this world & bhagat singh do not stand in that list.

 

[Paan Singh]

The problem of definition is at your end we are very clear about it.

you dint reply me if Bhindrewalla is a freedom fighter or a terrorist ??

they both are different.......
firstly congress used him and made him monster and then sent then army to crush him.......this is not a case in the bhagat....
but i will say,bhinderawalle was not an freedom fighter.he was good speaker and he used this...
and he was fighting against integrity of nation and those who fight against integrity are traitors.
dont deserve any respect

 

[Manas]

@jana

Masood Azhar is a punjabi jihadi .

His gang members kill pakistanis when they aren't fighting in kashmir.

 

[Manas]

Bhinderawalla noncontroversial issue and one thing for sure he could've been dealt differently.

IG was misinformed and misguided to her peril.

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Operation Bluestar Created New Crusaders for Sikh Cause"

Dr Subramaniam Swami - Ex-Member of Parliment

Operation Bluestarr Subramaniam Swami | Gateway to Sikhism






June 6, will be remembered as a landmark in modern Indian history. On that date, the indian armed forces took control of the Golden Temple complex after destroying the Akal Takht and killing Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. The nation, on the whole, expressed releif. A few of us, however, expressed sorrow and felt that Operation Bluestar, as the action was called, was horrible blunder which would aggravate the problem of "terrorism", not contain it. Since then, the problem has, indeed, been aggravated. New crusaders for the Sikhs have now surfaced.
To put the record straight, Ram Jethmalani - the new Galahad - was not one of those who had opposed Operation Bluestar. Today he may pose at a defender of the underdog, but on June 6, 1984, he expressed satisfaction with goverment's ation.

This is said not, of course, to defend the BJP in sacking Jethmalani. The BJP is wholly communal. As long as Jethmalani was defending Haji Mastaan, the alleged smuggler king, Varadarajan Mudaliar, Jaspal Singh (of the CIA espionage case), and the Sarda case murders in Pune, the BJP was at peace with its principles. But the moment Jethmalani decided to defend the two alleged comspirators in the murder of Mrs Gandhi, the BJP expressed great revulsion. This revulsion is due to the fact that the BJP is once again wooing the vote-bank in North India which laid the foundations for Pakistan. Besides, the BJP is now busy trying to make Khalistan inevitable. The forces behind this vote bank are actively trying to polarise Punjab. The BJP, thus, is aspiring to be the agent of the "silent terrorists" - the Hindu communalist' - Jethamalani is merely the fly in the ointment.

The Jethmalani issue is typical of the machinations that have created the present situation in Punjab. Various actors in the drama have indulged in posturing without regard for the consequences on their histrionics. First, there was Mrs Ghandi, who described the Akali Dal's 41 point economic and social demand charter as "secessionist" in a effort to win the communal Hindu vote. There was nothing separatist about these demands. Then came her son, Rajiv Ghandi, who maintained that the Anandpur Sahib Resolution was antinational. There was nothing unpatriotic in this resolution - if one cared to read it. He also raised the alarm on the Sikh's use of words like "quam" and phrases like "Raj Karega Khalsa" and on that basis denounced the whole community as Khalistanis - all by clever innuendos. "Quam" is no more unacceptable that the "desam" in Telugu Desam or "nadu" in Tamil Nadu. And "Raj Karega Khalsa" is roughly, the equivalent of "Satyameva Jayate". And yet Sikhs were made to feel traitors for using these words .

Arguing the counter-point on the Punjab issue, all discussions must ultimately zero in on Bhindranwale, about whom there is so much disinformation that this column is insufficient to remedy the situation. In fact, i am writing an account of the Punjab tragedy in the form of a book in which Bhindranwale figures objectively - warts and all. I hope, my book will inspire a future government to set up a special commission to find out the true story of what happened. My first hand knowledge of events in Punjab also lead me to say the following about Sant Bhindranwale.
He never advocated Khalistan even when the indian army laid seige to the Golden Temple.
He was a strict moralist, totally against liquor, drugs and promiscuity. Hence, i totally disbeleive any rumours about pregnant abducted women kept as his prisoners, which were only spread to malign him.
He was stance anti-communist, and had broken the hold of the Naxalities and pro-soviet communists on the youth of Punjab.

It was Bhindranwale's anti-communist stance that activated the Russians and the KGB lobby in Mrs Ghandi's camp to spread disinformation and thus discredit him. A few days before Operation Bluestar, Pravda wroted that Bhindranwale had a direct telephonic link with the CIA in Langley, Virginia, the headquarters of the agency. That was untrue, but leading dailies in New Delhi published wire service reproductions of that article. Who organised this negative media blitz?

A large number of the murders committed in Punjab brought swift condemnation from him, but these were never published. Such were the maneuvers of the goverments media mafia. In my presence, Bhindranwale had condemned the massacre in which Hindu's travelling in a bus were segregated and shot. He sent money to the affected Hindu families. But this was never published in any newspaper. When Dr V.N Tiwari, MP, was shot dead in his house in Chandigarh, Bhindranwale wrote to his wife expressing his sorrow and called the murder an act of cowardice.
But there was such as frenzy in the country at the time that no one was willing to listen. The government encouraged the rumours and disinformation. Even i, who never said anywhere that there were no arms in the Golden Temple, was quoted as having said so by Rajiv Ghandhi in the 1984 monsoon session of parliament. When i challanged him to produce just one news report from a reputable paper as proof, he was unable to do so. All this is part of the Lok Sabha proceedings which we can refer to and yet, from Kanyakumari to Kashmir, wherever i went, the statement that i had never made was quoted again and again to discredit whatever else i would say about Punjab. Who arranged this publicity? The same people who finally murdered Bhindranwale?
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PS : Dr Subramaniam Swami one of those RSS types who hated top leadership of BJP who were cosy to the gandhi family especially IG and he was in touch with Bhindranwale till the end.

 

[HellzHere]

hes pakistani punjabi

He used slogans like "Bharat mata ki jai" "Vande Mataram" and world knows him as an Indian freedom fighter.

 

[HellzHere]

He's the true legend and the only person who inspires me.
Fcuk Gandhi,fcuk Nehru,fcuk everyone. No one can even come close to the greatness of this man and my thinking and my dedication to India has been inspired and lifted a lot by Bhagat Singh's life,which motivates me to do my best for India.