Best way to implement Sharia in Pakistan ???

[asad71]

OK. no jokes please.

you can use holy Quran to take oath in the court.

Give it to the judge and ask him to write mogal penal code clause 234-a.

And he will throw you out of the court

Be serious about jurisprudence. you talk about law making as if it was being done in 5th grade shcool drama.

Thank you

Ghosh! You know nothing about the Holy Quora'n. Muslims do not touch the Book like Christians do.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ghosh! You know nothing about the Holy Quora'n. Muslims do not touch the Book like Christians do.

I do brother I do

This is why I don't believe in made up stories of Islamists.

They all attribute stuff to Quran that was never meant to be.

you are confusing between a holy scripture and a worldly document that contains all the clauses of law applicable to the land.

Have you ever been to a court,


or better yet.

Have you ever been to a law school.

Because you are not even clear about the concept of MODREN jurisprudence.

 

[asad71]

I do brother I do

This is why I don't believe in made stories of Islamists.

They all attribute stuff to Quran that was never meant to be.

you are confusing between a holy scripture and a worldly document that contains all the clauses of law applicable to the land.

Have you ever been to a court,


or better yet.

Have you ever been to a law school.

Because you are not even clear about the concept of MODREN jurisprudence !?!?!).

Ghosh! You know nothing about the Holy Quora'n. Muslims do not touch the Book like Christians do.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ghosh! You know nothing about the Holy Quora'n. Muslims do not touch the Book like Christians do.

have you studied modern law and jurisprudence?

just curious.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Muslims do not touch the Book like Christians do.

How do Muslims read the Quran and turn the pages then? Does it somehow magically levitate and turn pages on its own?

 

[SQ8]

How do Muslims read the Quran and turn the pages then? Does it somehow magically levitate and turn pages on its own?

I believe he is referring to the reverence given to the printed form of the Quran by way of handling it and respect.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I believe he is referring to the reverence given to the printed form of the Quran by way of handling it and respect.

I know

I was being flippant about the degree of faith being place in 'Muslims' to not distort the Holy Book.

Muslims, revered scholars over the ages no less, have already distorted and debased the Hadith, and convinced many Muslims to follow the Hadith even when the Hadith clearly contradict the Quran, so a belief that somehow "Muslims do not touch the Holy Book like Christians do" is laughably naive.

In addition, given the fact that the Quran is written in an ancient Arabic dialect, with scholars even now arguing over the meaning of words based on the emphasis (punctuation) on one particular alphabet in that word, let alone interpreting the meaning of entire passages in the correct context based on the interplay of various sections with others, there is little in the way of certitude when it comes to "understanding the Quran", and that has allowed our so called 'Islamic Scholars' to wreak havoc on Muslim societies by promoting a regressive and patriarchal Islamic socio-cultural narrative.

 

[SQ8]

I know

I was being flippant about the degree of faith being place in 'Muslims' to not distort the Holy Book.

Muslims, revered scholars over the ages no less, have already distorted and debased the Hadith, and convinced many Muslims to follow the Hadith even when the Hadith clearly contradict the Quran, so a belief that somehow "Muslims do not touch the Holy Book like Christians do" is laughably naive.

In addition, given the fact that the Quran is written in an ancient Arabic dialect, with scholars even now arguing over the meaning of words based on the emphasis on one particular alphabet in that word (equivalent to the use of zabar, zair in urdu), let alone interpreting the meaning of entire passages in the correct context based on the interplay of various sections with others, there is little in the way of certitude when it comes to "understanding the Quran", and that has allowed our so called 'Islamic Scholars' to wreak havoc on Muslim societies by promoting a regressive and patriarchal Islamic socio-cultural narrative.

That is the whole idea of interpretation. I am against the whole concept of Quranists.. because if the Prophet was no example then god might have just flashed it across the sky every other day. The Hadiath are however, the main reason for misguidance and hence anything they say MUST be correlated with the Quran.

The idea that you cannot question these revered scholars( the story we are all taught on the model of the atom is an example as to how ideas progress) is the issue with the whole patriarchal culture that has been implemented across the ages. Rather than evolving from it, it serves as a shield to be used for conducting misdemeanour's.

As for the Implementation of Shariah(lest we be accused of being off topic).. well.. DONT . Nobody needs anybody to implement a system meant for your personal execution. The age old narrative of it existing in the times of the early caliphs forgets that it was the collective will of the people and the presence of those who had first hand interaction with the prophet and ipso facto understanding of Islam second only to him that allowed that implementation to succeed in that society OF THAT TIME. In our times, where we have "societies" flourishing; there is no way to implement a single flavour that will satisfy all. Best to stick to the guidelines in the main book and then use whatever intelligence we have to implement those guidelines according to our times and not that of 632 A.D

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yes deen is complete in form of Quran and Sunnah

Deen was completed the day this Ayah was revealed : "This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion" [5:3] ...

Conjecture you wrongly call Sunnah / Hadith , compiled centuries after the revelation of Quran is an "addition" to religion and a direct violation of Quran and true Sunnah . Prophet (pbuh) forbade writing down anything from him , other than Holy Quran . Allah had perfected the religion already and approved for him Islam as religion who believed in Quran ... Allah`s approval is enough for us and we don`t need Mullah`s approval ....

Jinnah never referred to, what you call Sunnah/Hadith , as a source of law ... Neither did Iqbal ... So stop spreading falsehoods ...

 

[FaujHistorian]

That is the whole idea of interpretation. I am against the whole concept of Quranists.. because if the Prophet was no example then god might have just flashed it across the sky every other day.

Prophets like Mohammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh, and Moses pbuh are important rather necessary to establish the message of Allah swt.

However Medieval Christians and medieval Jews went astray when they tried to make Jesus pbuh and Moses pbuh as living "gods" and tried to copy things from their prophets 100s of years later.

This is why Mohammad pbuh forbade to write down ahadees.

Why?

Mohammad pbuh lfie examples (house, mode of transportation, food, clothing, slaves, wives etc) were all specific to his time.

Anyone trying to emulate Mohammad pbuh life by living in the same style of house, using same mode of transporation, wearing same kind of clothes, using the same coins, same financial system, same military, same schools, same books etc. will simply make a mockery of the whole concept of messengers of Allah.

Many Muslims unfortunately have turned Mohammad pbuh and Sahaba ra into living deities, just like medieval Christians and Jews.

And thus trying to live in 700 AD. Therefore utter failure in 2014.


Hope this clarifies.

 

[SQ8]

Prophets like Mohammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh, and Moses pbuh are important to establish the message of Allah swt.

However Christians and Jews went astray when they tried to make Jesus pbuh and Moses pbuh as living "gods" and tried to copy things from their prophets 100s of years later.

This is why Mohammad pbuh forbade to write down ahadees.

Why?

Mohammad pbuh lfie examples (house, mode of transportation, food, clothing, slaves, wives etc) were all specific to his time.

Anyone trying to emulate Mohammad pbuh life by living in the same style of house, using same mode of transporation, wearing same kind of clothes, using the same coins, same financial system, same military, same schools, same books etc. will simply make a mockery of the whole concept of messengers of Allah.

Many Muslims unfortunately have turned Mohammad pbuh and Sahaba ra into living deities, just like medieval Christians and Jews.

And thus trying to live in 700 AD. Therefore utter failure in 2014.


Hope this clarifies.

No it does not. His life examples exist to show the implementation of the Quran in that time. The issue lies is when the examples are taken as concrete "tis is only how it should be done" instead of "this is how it was applied then".

 

[FaujHistorian]

No it does not. His life examples exist to show the implementation of the Quran in that time. The issue lies is when the examples are taken as concrete "tis is only how it should be done" instead of "this is how it was applied then".

Bhai hum aik he baat ker rahay hai. Phir yeh "No" kiyon? hahahaha

(trans: we are saying the same thing)

 

[M. Sarmad]

Prophets like Mohammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh, and Moses pbuh are important rather necessary to establish the message of Allah swt.

However Christians and Jews went astray when they tried to make Jesus pbuh and Moses pbuh as living "gods" and tried to copy things from their prophets 100s of years later.

This is why Mohammad pbuh forbade to write down ahadees.

Why?

Mohammad pbuh lfie examples (house, mode of transportation, food, clothing, slaves, wives etc) were all specific to his time.

Anyone trying to emulate Mohammad pbuh life by living in the same style of house, using same mode of transporation, wearing same kind of clothes, using the same coins, same financial system, same military, same schools, same books etc. will simply make a mockery of the whole concept of messengers of Allah.

Many Muslims unfortunately have turned Mohammad pbuh and Sahaba ra into living deities, just like medieval Christians and Jews.

And thus trying to live in 700 AD. Therefore utter failure in 2014.


Hope this clarifies.

You are absolutely right my friend ...

It has been narrated on the authority of al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu-Bakr that `Umar, after he had received news confirming that people started to hold (or write) books, denied and disliked the matter saying,

'O people: I have been informed that you have started to hold books. Allah's most beloved books must be the fairest and the straightest. Now, I order you all to bring me all the books that you hold so that I will decide about them.'

Thinking that `Umar wanted to correct and submit the books to a certain criterion, all people brought their books to him. Instead, he set them all to fire and said,

'This is a false wish just like that of the Christians and the Jews.'

 

[SQ8]

Bhai hum aik he baat ker rahay hai. Phir yeh "No" kiyon? hahahaha

(trans: we are saying the same thing)

Because huzoor we must not at any time let our fear of repeating what the people of the book did lead us to denying the prophets.. and especially ur Prophet.. the best of human beings the respect and admiration he/they deserve(s).

 

[FaujHistorian]

Because huzoor we must not at any time let our fear of repeating what the people of the book did lead us to denying the prophets.. and especially ur Prophet.. the best of human beings the respect and admiration he/they deserve(s).

hain-ji.

Kis nay deny kiay

Kis ko keh rahain hain app.

(who is denying prophets, who said it and in which post. Please quote it).