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In Global Peace Index , Security Index , Homocide Index you are above Turkey and Russia does that mean you are better than them in any way ? A country like Bangladesh whose influence ends at its borders will likely remain more peaceful than Countries like America , Russia , India , China , Pakistan , Israel , Turkey (Countries with Geopolitical Influence around the world ) .

Bengali's want to have the attention of the world but they are not getting it . If you want to look at Bengali psyche look no further than how Bengali Cricketers react when they win a match . Bangladesh and Bengali's see themselves as underachievers in real life when compared to India or Pakistan .
Why you are hitting out at me? You are the one started comparing useless stats :lol:
And you are using cricket game celebration too :lol: :lol: :lol: Dafuq is this? So out of valid arguments? Also global peace index was one of the nine stats I asked you to check....what about the other ones? Hard not to laugh after a reply like this.

On a serious note "Bangladesh's influence ends at its border" this is fine and this is how it should be. We have no time for supa pawa komplex. You guys be super power. Best of luck.
 
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Why you are hitting out at me? You are the one started comparing useless stats :lol:
And you are using cricket game celebration too :lol: :lol: :lol: Dafuq is this? So out of valid arguments? Also global peace index was one of the nine stats I asked you to check....what about the other ones? Hard not to laugh after a reply like this.

On a serious note "Bangladesh's influence ends at its border" this is fine and this is how it should be. We have no time for supa pawa komplex. You guys be super power. Best of luck.

Again with any GDP per capita or development of Bangladesh thread , Pakistan gets dragged into it by your posters for no reason . I have been hearing about how your GDP per capita is going to overtake Pakistan's since 2006 and the difference is the same as it was 10 years ago . When it does happen I will celebrate it alongside all the Bengali posters here :coffee:
 
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Again with any GDP per capita or development of Bangladesh thread , Pakistan gets dragged into it by your posters for no reason . I have been hearing about how your GDP per capita is going to overtake Pakistan's since 2006 and the difference is the same as it was 10 years ago . When it does happen I will celebrate it alongside all the Bengali posters here :coffee:
What? In 2007 BD nominal GDP per capita was 543USD and Pak's were close to 929USD. Just google it yourself :lol:

You spoke a complete nonsense here. But anyway you are welcomed to celebrate with us tho.
 
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What? In 2007 BD nominal GDP per capita was 543USD and Pak's were close to 929USD. Just google it yourself :lol:

You spoke a complete nonsense here. But anyway you are welcomed to celebrate with us tho.

PPP per capita is what counts when you want a clear picture of things . Move the cursor to 2006 . Back then the difference between the two was about $ 1900 now it is $1800

https://www.google.com/#q=bangladesh+gdp+per+capita

Either way i doubt your are going to overtake in nominal or PPP .
 
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PPP per capita is what counts when you want a clear picture of things . Move the cursor to 2006 . Back then the difference between the two was about $ 1900 now it is $1800

https://www.google.com/#q=bangladesh+gdp+per+capita

Either way i doubt your are going to overtake in nominal or PPP .
For me the things matter for economy are in order:
1. GDP(nominal)
2. GDP to debt ratio
3. GDP(PPP)
4. GDP growth rate
5. Exports
6. Forex reserves

This things have direct impact to the economy. Btw I don't think I or anyone else have said that BD will overtake Pak's PPP.
 
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PPP per capita is what counts when you want a clear picture of things . Move the cursor to 2006 . Back then the difference between the two was about $ 1900 now it is $1800

https://www.google.com/#q=bangladesh+gdp+per+capita

Either way i doubt your are going to overtake in nominal or PPP .

Do you understand what is percentage?

Let us look at IMF stats for GDP/capita PPP(which I dont really trust as it can easily be changed depending on how you measure):

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2007&ey=2017&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=53&pr1.y=10&c=513,564&s=PPPPC&grp=0&a=

In 2007, BD was at 2,200 US dollars and Pakistan was at 3,900 US dollars
In 2017, BD is at 4,200 US dollars and Pakistan is at 5,400 US dollars.

So between 2007, BD GDP/capita PPP increased by 7% a year
In the same period Pakistan achieved only 3 % year.

Can you see the difference in the economic performance of the two countries?

Pakistan has never ever increased it's GDP/capita PPP by anywhere near what BD has
done in the last 10 years.
Before you start talking about CPEC, BD will also increase it's growth rate with the 10s of billions of infrastructure
investments that are flowing in from China, Russia and India. Just these 3 countries will pour in around 40 billion dollars over the next decade.

Simply, no offence, BD is miles ahead right now in growth that Pakistan can only dream about.
 
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Bangladesh is on right track, wish them all the best. Pakistan is also looking ahead after 7-8 years of terrorism. Next year Pakistan energy crisis will finally end after adding 11.000MW to national grid. After that industrilization can start.
 
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For me the things matter for economy are in order:
1. GDP(nominal)
2. GDP to debt ratio
3. GDP(PPP)
4. GDP growth rate
5. Exports
6. Forex reserves

This things have direct impact to the economy. Btw I don't think I or anyone else have said that BD will overtake Pak's PPP.

You rank nominal over PPP, yet you say this:

On a serious note "Bangladesh's influence ends at its border"

There is a major dissonance between the two statements.

BTW debt to GDP ratio is not that important (given its different sweet spots in various combos of public, private, foreign, domestic) given it is largely a 2nd or even 3rd order derivative rather than 1st when it comes to policy/management.

I would also put GCF/investment as % of GDP in the top 3 somewhere.
 
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You do understand how much resources and support Taiwan received from the Americans to be where they are today
Yes Taiwan did receive significant resources from US
After WWII the behemoth Marshall Plan was only dedicated to Western Europe, where 17 nations received financial aid to boost economic development.
  • The $13 billion was in the context of a US GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and on top of $13 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan that is counted separately from the Marshall Plan.
  • The Marshall Plan was replaced by the Mutual Security Plan at the end of 1951; that new plan gave away about $7 billion annually until 1961 when it was replaced by another program.
  • No such plan ever happened for Asia or Eastern Europe or others, economic aid for Taiwan is next to zero. ROC/Taiwan received military aid from US, in form of weapons and military inventory during mostly during WWII again Imperial Japan, some in post-WWII times against CCP.
It's complicated to explain Taiwan's success, I may briefly summarize (but sill incomplete) as below:
  • During pre-WWII Japanese occupation period, infras such as hydro, power, rail and medical were already developed, and education standard was on par with Japan homeland. The island of Taiwan was not seriously affected by WWII, economic foundation has been good and largely remain intact.
  • When the KMT government lost Mainland to CCP and retreated from Mainland to Taiwan, they were accompanied by many economic drivers, say experienced industrialists, wealthy bankers/capitalists, knowledgeable scientists, skillful workforce, capital goods (e.g. machinery) and wealth (e.g. gold).
  • In the post-WWII period, Taiwan adopted technology-focused, savings-investment-heavy and exports-oriented model, aka "Flying Geese Paradigm", or Japan + 4 Dragons model. Today Taiwan has world-class tech mecca like TSMC (which alone dominate 60% of world IC chip production), Mediatek, Advanced Semiconductor Engineering (ASX), Quanta, Foxconn, UMC, Vanguard, Formosa Plastics and many others.
Some facts about Taiwan financials:
  • Nowadays Taiwan is the world's 4th largest creditor nation, only trails behind Japan, China Mainland, Germany and on par with Hong Kong.
  • Though has small population, Taiwan ranks world #8 in number of millionaire households, more than bigger population Italy, Russia or France. Millionaire households as % of population, Taiwan ranks 9th in the world, lower than Switzerland, Bahrain, Qatar, Singapore, Kuwait, Hong Kong, but higher than UAE, Belgium, Oman, Canada, UK, Saudi Arabia.
For BD, matching Taiwan means becoming top league, it should be a long term goal. For medium term actionable plans, I suggest benchmarking against ASEAN (Malaysia, Thailand), Southern Europe (Spain, Italy) or China Mainland.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/marshall-plan
https://ideas.repec.org/p/unc/dispap/169.html
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bcg-millionaires-in-china-increased-by-49-yoy.392940/
 
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very sensible post. as long as the citizens keep improving - what does influence outside borders get you?

I think the point is wrong though, and I don't think we should accept the assertion Bangladesh has no outside 'influence'.

Yes we may not have a position in the UN Security Council and will probably never have one.

But Bangladesh boasts plenty of political and diplomatic clout in the UN as a leader of LDC's and in plenty of countries in Europe, Africa, the Middle East and the Caribbean because of our good work in the UN, especially by our military. Wherever our soldiers have gone, they have won the locals' appreciation for contributions to peace and development, which some of the sane countries in the world, such as Scandinavian and Northern European countries, have been spearheading. We are assisting peace efforts by Scandinavian countries by supplying trained troops and manpower, which they lack and we have. This is how you build bridges in faraway countries which can translate to win-win economic relationships.

Just to mention - the country of Sierra Leone has adopted Bangla as a National Language for our contributions and help there by our armed forces.

The world has now recognized 21st February as 'International Mother Language Day' because of our efforts. This day celebrates _all_ mother tongues in the world as sacred and celebrates them all......

We have never been known as cheaters and exploiters in any country in the world, and that sort of reputation does count.

It is no surprise that Bangladeshi military planners are now planning an 'Overseas Training Command' to assist other LDC's in peaceful nation building and development.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-navy.168818/page-227#post-9430488
 
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You rank nominal over PPP
Because nominal is the absolute measurement. PPP is relative.
BTW debt to GDP ratio is not that important (given its different sweet spots in various combos of public, private, foreign, domestic) given it is largely a 2nd or even 3rd order derivative rather than 1st when it comes to policy/management
I think it is important when it comes to developing countries. Where you need to build a lot of things but don't have the money in hand. So borrowing it you can fast track the important projects. While your GDP to debt ratio increases your borrowing ability goes down. And the money borrowed has to be payed back. So you have to concentrate on paying back your debt. For a developed country it doesn't mean much tho. Bangladesh is borrowing a lot these days. I sometimes wonder what kind of side-effect it will have.
I would also put GCF/investment as % of GDP in the top 3 somewhere.
What is this?

Another thing I forgot to mention was FDI. It impacts the economy directly.
 
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Because nominal is the absolute measurement. PPP is relative.

Uhm no. No such thing as absolute or relative, one is not derived from the other....they are equally relative (since they are both estimates derived from the local currency production/consumption aggregate).

Nominal only matters w.r.t power projection beyond BD borders (which you claim is not important) and even then its debatable. But the important thing is within BD, the US dollar is not valid tender for 99.99% of transactions.

I think it is important when it comes to developing countries. Where you need to build a lot of things but don't have the money in hand. So borrowing it you can fast track the important projects. While your GDP to debt ratio increases your borrowing ability goes down.

Its way more complicated than that. Developing countries are not a homogeneous set of countries (much less so than developed countries where what you are saying applies to a greater amount given how they are much closer to their LRAS). Country A can have a much higher debt / GDP ratio than country B ....but it is very possible for country A to borrow even more sustainably, whereas country B can be well past its threshold....even if they are in relatively similar income and development bands. It is a very intricate network of seignioriage, financial sector complexity, international engagement/exposure, banking permeation, capital inertia, domestic liquidity saturation and many other things.

The more complicated the reasons behind a number, the less its utility in ranking countries by it. Debt/GDP ratio may figure in the top 20 (and even then only with major qualifiers and stratification), but not in the top 10 rank of important economic parameters.

What is this?

Gross (fixed) capital formation. How much (tangible) hardware essentially a country invests in as % of GDP. For developing countries it is normally very close to total investment rate (given limited financial, derivatives etc sector), which in turn is largely determined by the savings rate. All 3 are important, correlated indicators that determine a large part of future economic growth (given what you invest today - rather than consume short term - is instrumental in what larger production and thus growth you get in future).

Another thing I forgot to mention was FDI. It impacts the economy directly.

Thats a subset of total investment (of foreign origin along with FPI and few others). It is more important for developing countries given foreign know-how and capital is generally of higher ROI quality/importance to domestic but again there are qualifiers regarding that. I would put it somewhere in the bottom of top 10 importance.
 
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Uhm no. No such thing as absolute or relative, one is not derived from the other....they are equally relative (since they are both estimates derived from the local currency production/consumption aggregate).

Nominal only matters w.r.t power projection beyond BD borders (which you claim is not important) and even then its debatable. But the important thing is within BD, the US dollar is not valid tender for 99.99% of transactions.
Nominal is an attempt at an absolute measure, a sort of immovable standard that remains the same from country to country. It is the original concept of GDP. In contrast, PPP is an attempt at a relative measure, taking factors of each country into consideration
https://applebutterdreams.wordpress.com/the-difference-between-gdp-nominal-and-gdp-ppp/

Many definitions regard nominal as absolute.
Of course there are more to it. PPP takes more into consideration. So I guess This kinda applies here:
The more complicated the reasons behind a number, the less its utility in ranking countries by it.

Its way more complicated than that. Developing countries are not a homogeneous set of countries (much less so than developed countries where what you are saying applies to a greater amount given how they are much closer to their LRAS). Country A can have a much higher debt / GDP ratio than country B ....but it is very possible for country A to borrow even more sustainably, whereas country B can be well past its threshold....even if they are in relatively similar income and development bands. It is a very intricate network of seignioriage, financial sector complexity, international engagement/exposure, banking permeation, capital inertia, domestic liquidity saturation and many other things.

The more complicated the reasons behind a number, the less its utility in ranking countries by it. Debt/GDP ratio may figure in the top 20 (and even then only with major qualifiers and stratification), but not in the top 10 rank of important economic parameters.
Understood. However at the end of the day the money has to be paid back with interests. In my opinion for a developing country the debt should never be more than 40% of its GDP.

Gross (fixed) capital formation. How much (tangible) hardware essentially a country invests in as % of GDP. For developing countries it is normally very close to total investment rate (given limited financial, derivatives etc sector), which in turn is largely determined by the savings rate. All 3 are important, correlated indicators that determine a large part of future economic growth (given what you invest today - rather than consume short term - is instrumental in what larger production and thus growth you get in future).
The higher the better?
Then I guess Bangladesh is not doing too bad here.
29% as of 2015. 33% for India, 15% for Pak, China 45%

Interestingly 54% for Bhutan and 41% for Congo
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.GDI.TOTL.ZS
 
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Many definitions regard nominal as absolute.

If the nominal is done in the local currency, sure....given that is what the economic activity of a country is largely conducted in.

However nominal done in a foreign currency is just as relative as a PPP measurement....both adulterate the original attempt at absolute measurement. But there is little choice when you want to compare across countries with different currencies. Nominal USD (at exchange rate) assumes whatever demand/supply profile regarding a country's foreign trade/investment also extends to its entire economic landscape....in the interest of simplicity at compromise of accuracy. PPP does the reverse, it wants to counter that assumption in the interest of accuracy at the compromise of simplicity. But both of them are relative since they are not the primary acquired data.

It kind of parallels with the heisenberg uncertainty principle....where you can entirely know either the position or momentum of a particle but not both simultaneously...because measuring one compromises the other. So is the case when you have an absolute measure of GDP. The absoluteness only is useful within BD own time series (in Taka), as soon as you want to bring it to an international comparison, the absoluteness is lost. Absoluteness is thus of limited utility to the larger questions we all want to know answers to (we all perceive and interact with that which lies beyond our immediate man made boundaries). Hence why Einstein's model (relativity) prevails over Newton's (absolute time and space).....given we are similarly no longer interested in only the realm of slow moving objects.

Understood. However at the end of the day the money has to be paid back with interests. In my opinion for a developing country the debt should never be more than 40% of its GDP.

I can already ask you a question. Are you talking about govt debt, total debt or foreign debt? Gross or net?

Total debt of Canada for example is 3 - 4 times its GDP.

China has 65% of its GDP as gross govt debt, double that of Bangladesh. Is Bangladesh able to borrow/leverage twice as easily as China?

And how did you come to 40% as the figure for the no go zone? Is a country at 39% doing immensely better than one at 41%? How do we draw lines in the sand and apply them to entire arbitrary groupings of countries like "developing" rather than treat the phenomenon as more continuous, complicated and intricate?

This is why countries have credit ratings you know.....if BD's credit rating is upgraded to some investment grade, you think its govt would keep its debt to the 33% figure (or whatever it currently is)....or transitions to whatever higher % it can manage under the new equilibrium the credit rating offers? i.e is the govt debt more fundamentally controlled by its own prudent fiscal policy or by its own credit standing among the major creditors? I can tell you from what I have seen, the latter always prevails as the larger environment....and the former is more of tinkering within that environment.

The higher the better?
Then I guess Bangladesh is not doing too bad here.
29% as of 2015. 33% for India, 15% for Pak, China 45%

Yes the higher the better for developing countries generally. BD has earned praise from me for this....I am sure you have come across it before.

Interestingly 54% for Bhutan and 41% for Congo

Massive hydro-electric projects in both causing GCF spurts (you will notice its not the first time for either). What matters more is how the investment rate is sustained....and what that long term investment rate is. For larger economies, it is hard to get such spurts so the trends are easier to visualise.
 
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