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Because Pakistanis are still watching from point 5353

Peak 5353 metres (in the background) as seen from Drass

The full story behind this vestige of the Kargil occupation as per an article published in Front line in September,2000 ,titled "
KARGIL QUESTIONS " :

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The strange story of Peak 5353 began with the end of Operation Vijay, and the proclamation of a national triumph at Kargil. Point 5353, like the features around it, had been occupied by Pakistan troops at the start of the Kargil war. Indian soldiers, how ever, were nowhere near its summit when hostilities were pronounced to have ended, in the wake of a United States-authored Pakistani pullout. All that had been achieved was the occupation of two secondary positions on the Marpo La ridgeline, Charlie 6 an d Charlie 7. Indian troops had also been unable to evict Pakistani soldiers from Point 5240, some 1,200 m as the crow flies from Point 5353. 56 Brigade Commander Amar Aul, in charge of the operations to secure Point 5353, responded by occupying two heigh ts on the Pakistani side of the LoC, 4875 and 4251, just before the ceasefire came into force.
Aul's tactics, evidently under political pressure to bring about a quick end to hostilities, were designed to secure a subsequent territorial exchange. In mid-August 1999, his efforts to bring about a deal bore fruit. Extended negotiations between the Br igadier and a Pakistani interlocutor, who called himself Colonel Saqlain, led to both sides committing themselves to leave unoccupied Points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875. Both Indian and Pakistani troops were pulled back to their pre-Kargil positions, leavi ng an aerial distance of about a kilometre between the armies along most of the Marpo La ridge. The deal was not an ideal one, for 5353 was of enormously more strategic importance to India than either 4251 or 4875 was for Pakistan, but it was better than nothing.
Towards the end of October, things began to go wrong. Aul tasked the 16 Grenadiers to take Point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles to occupy 5353, choosing to violate the August agreement rather than risk the prospect that Pakistan might reoccupy these posi tions. While the 16 Grenadiers attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the men of 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons which are still not clear, never made their way up 5353. When Pakistan troops detected the Indian presence on 5240, they promptly l aunched a counter-assault on 5353. Seven days later, in early November, the Grenadiers unit on 5240 watched Pakistan take up positions on the more important peak. Saqlain, who is now believed to be facing court martial proceedings in Pakistan, was left c omplaining that Aul's ill-considered course of action was treacherous and dishonest.
Pakistan moved rapidly to consolidate its position on 5353. Concrete bunkers came up on the peak, and a road was constructed to its base from Benazir Post, Pakistan's most important permanent post in the area. Meanwhile, Aul considered plans to retake th e peak. He did not have much choice. India's positions on 5240 and Pathar post were under threat, along with positions of the 2 Naga in Mushkoh, the 2 Grenadiers in Drass, and the 8 Sikh in Bhimbet. Offensives were discussed in January and February, and again in May and August, but had to be abandoned each time because of the risks involved. With 5353 and its adjoining area now linked by road to Pakistan's rear headquarters at Gultari, and with the defensive positions heavily fortified, any attack would mean a full-blown resumption of hostilities in Drass.


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Capture of Point 5310 inside Pakistan allows us to dominate Kabutar bowl which is the only way supply point 5353
 
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The map above also shows it lies on the LOC.
A gentleman's agreement was there regarding points on the LOC. After 5353 was captured and converted from no man's land to a Pak post, IA also captured several minor passes and peaks all along the LOC in response. It serves no purpose to either side. Except for posturing and propaganda.
IA was one who broke that Gentleman agreement by trying to capture both 5353 and 5240,IA took 5240 PA took and fortified 5353,IA watched that in horror because 5353 was shadowing 5240.
 
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IA was one who broke that Gentleman agreement by trying to capture both 5353 and 5240,IA took 5240 PA took and fortified 5353,IA watched that in horror because 5353 was shadowing 5240.
PA is watching in horror as IA captured P 5310 which dominates entire Kabutar bowl.
 
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with accurate fire direct from 5353 that 5310 has no value,5353 is most stratgetic peak in area.
5310 is even more valuable as point 5353 can only be supplied by Kabutar bowl and 5310 dominates it which makes it worse for P5353 as it is surrounded by 3 more Indian peaks.
 
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actuallyno
but stats still favor us
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I have read enough about warfare to know that number of combatants is not a good KPI.
I guess for Kargill, the strategic objective was to capture/free the strategically important peaks. So the number of strategically important peaks held beyond '99 is the only true measure.
It seems that you managed to hold onto one of them. I need to research to know if this claim is substantiated
 
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I hope you keep 'winning' like that in the future as well.
:tup: well said.
From the fortified bunkers of Pakistan army on Point 5353 ,our soldiers can fire on Tiger hill and the strategic road, shutting down supplies to Siachen.
any good reason why you ppl are not doing it? Dint pakistan try the same thing during kargil war and what was the end result?
 
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A photo posted by an India tourist visiting Kargil while traveling on Srinagar Ladakh road.

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An indian tourist making a rude gesture while posing with an interesting sign board at Kargil on Srinagar-Laddakh Road .
This strategic road is main supply route for Indian soldiers at Siachen.
The sign board testifies a less known aftermath of the Pakistan India Kargil War.
Although Indian army took back Tiger Hill, another higher mountain the point 5353 remained under Pakistani control despite several attacks by India.
The point 5353 overlooks Tiger Hill and the most strategically important road of Occupied Kashmir, the Srinagar- Kargil- Ladakh road.
From the fortified bunkers of Pakistan army on Point 5353 ,our soldiers can fire on Tiger hill and the strategic road, shutting down supplies to Siachen.
Also despite winning Tiger Hill in Kargil war, India still couldnt build bunkers on the peak as Pakistanis are sitting right next to it on a higher peak.
So much for Indian taunts of "Losing" Kargil war.

Overlooking is not the same as controlling it, the Indian army is controlling the tiger hill.
 
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Pakistan still occupies key Drass point





Praveen Swami

DRASS, Aug. 10

PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5,353 metres, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the official end of the Kargil war. At least some of them must had wry smiles on their faces, for although peak 5,353 metres is inside the Indian side of the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani troops held the mountain through the Kargil war and continue to do so today.

Artillery observers on peak 5,353 metres can direct accurate artillery fire on to up to 20 km of the National Highway 1A, and cripple Indian defensive positions from Mushkoh to Bhimbet. Indian troops are being forced to compensate for this tactical blunder by engaging in a series of operations in the Batalik sector.

Pakistani occupation of point 5353 means Operation Vijay's core objective in Drass, securing the highway, in effect failed. Officials in New Delhi attempt to argue that point 5353 is in an ambiguous location on the Line of Control, and that there are two peaks of the same height which are being confused, claims debunked by copies of the Army's own maps which are in Business Line's possession.

Senior Army commanders in Drass are just as evasive. Asked if Pakistan was indeed in occupation of the peak, 8 Mountain Division Commander Major General Satnam Singh replied that it was ``too early to say''. Asked again, Gen. Singh said he would ``provid e authentic information'' during this correspondent's ``next trip''. The strange story of peak 5353 began with the end of Operation Vijay, and the proclamation of a national triumph at Kargil.

Point 5353, like the features around it, had been occupied by Pakistani troops at the start of the Kargil war. Indian soldiers, however, were nowhere near its summit when hostilities were pronounced to have ended. All that had been achieved was the occup ation of two secondary positions on the Marpo La ridge line, Charlie 6 and Charlie 7. Pakistani troops also remained on point 5240, some 1,200 metres as the crow flies from point 5353. 56 Brigade Commander Amar Aul, in charge of the operations to secure point 5353, responded by occupying two heights on the Pakistani side of the LoC, 4875 and 4251, just before the ceasefire came into force.

Com. Aul's tactics, evidently under political pressure to bring about as quick an end to hostilities as possible, were designed to secure a subsequent territorial exchange. In mid-August, 1999, his efforts to bring about a deal bore fruit. Extended negot iations between the Brigadier and a Pakistani interlocutor, who called himself Colonel Saqlain, led to both sides committing themselves to leave points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875 unoccupied.

Both Indian and Pakistani troops were now pulled back to their pre-Kargil position, leaving an arial distance of about a kilometre between the armies along most of the Marpo La ridge. The deal wasn't ideal, for point 5353 was of enormously more strategic importance to India than either 4251 or 4875 were for Pakistan, but it was better than nothing.

Towards the end of October, things began to go horribly wrong. Commander Aul tasked the 16 Grenadiers to take point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles to occupy 5353, choosing to violate the August agreement rather than risk the prospect that Pakistan might reoccupy these positions again. While the 16 Grenadiers attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons which are still not clear, never made their way up 5353. When Pakistani troops detected the Indian presence on 52 40, they promptly launched a counter assault on 5353. Seven days later, in early November, the Grenadiers unit on 5240 watched Pakistan take up positions on the more important peak.

Pakistan moved rapidly to consolidate its position on 5353. Concrete bunkers came up on the peak, and a road was constructed to the base of the peak from Benazir Post, Pakistan's most important permanent position in the area. In the meanwhile, Commander Aul considered plans to retake the peak. He didn't have much choice. India's positions on 5240 were under threat, along with positions of the 2 Naga in Mushkoh, the 2 Grenadiers in Drass, and the 8 Sikh in Bhimbet. Offensives were discussed in January an d February this year, and again in May and August, but had to be abandoned each time because of the risks involved.

With 5353 and its adjoining area now linked by road to Pakistan's rear headquarters at Gultari, and defensive positions heavily fortified, any frontal attack would mean a full-blown resumption of hostilities in Drass.

The Army's tactics in Kargil now appear to centre around forcing a territorial swap for 5353. The worst of the fighting has come in the Batalik area, to the east of Kargil, where Indian troops have been ordered to take any unoccupied positions they disco ver on the Pakistan side of the LoC.

In one such operation on April 8, a company of the 14 Sikh Regiment occupied point 5310, an unheld peak roughly one kilometre air distance on the Pakistan side of the LoC. Subedar Bhatnam Singh and one soldier were killed in an avalanche during the opera tion.

Pakistan retaliation has been prompt. On the night of July 27, a group of 24 porters and four soldiers carrying material for an offensive from Gol Tekri to Rock Fall, facing the key Chorbat La range, were ambushed by Pakistani troops or irregulars. One p orter was killed, and three are still missing, presumed dead. There is little doubt that the Pakistani ambush was laid deep in Indian territory for Kalashnikov empties, with a short range, were recovered from the ambush site. The incident followed the de struction, in May, of a new Pakistani post with a shoulder-held missile.

While the Union Government's propaganda on the Kargil War has allowed it to score propaganda points, the end of the conflict is, clearly, not quite yet in sight.
 
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And still Nawaz Sharif said that over 4000 Pakistani soldiers died in kargil misadventure.
Sigh. Indians are just as idiotic as NS.
Casualties mean killed wounded injured,sick missing. Kashmir sees soldiers being evacuated for illness everyday without enemy action.

If 4000 troops had actually been killed, that's more than half our peak strength deployed in Northern Areas. None of which would have been stopped.
 
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Not to forget that there were 500 Guys on our side out of which 300 Jihadis and 200 Para Military India used 40000 soldiers backed by Artillery along with MRLs and Air Force still we are sitting in Kargil
Why do U want to play on Indian hand and own up Kargil debacle by stating 'UR SIDE'? Kargil was never a PAK's skirmish against IND to start with but the cruel game of conspirator Mush and his real master, period. Did U know the then Indian COAS Gen-Padmabhavan was predicting it right, left and center? What about NLI and Mujahedeen’s trespassing right in front of Indian eye’s and them doing nothing? What was the aftermath? I would even go as far as saying that if Kargil didn't take place then Nine-Eleven wouldn't happen. Go, figure now.
 
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lost bangladesh and siachen to baniyas !! now holding a peanut makes some one happy !!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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I have read enough about warfare to know that number of combatants is not a good KPI.
I guess for Kargill, the strategic objective was to capture/free the strategically important peaks. So the number of strategically important peaks held beyond '99 is the only true measure.
It seems that you managed to hold onto one of them. I need to research to know if this claim is substantiated
do whatever research you want .......... i will indeed help you in it as well...... but the fact is kargil war or any incursion on LOC be it cross border raids which are happening since siachen conflict(glorified in india as surgical strikes) are all legitimate as the LOC is not an international border but merely a mutually agreed line.
as for warfare it is indeed judged by objectives however course of action is not disregarded
e.g Israel recently had achieved their objectives in 2006 against hezbollah and in 2014 against HAMAS but their performance against under equipped and outnumbered was not satisfactory
same was with Kargil war in which Pakistanis were underequipped and outnumbered and even then Indian Army only could retake most mountains After Nawaz sharrif announced withdrawal it was considered a military victory of Pakistan but a big big political and strategic blunder
Date (1999) Event
3 May Pakistani intrusion in Kargil reported by local shepherds
5 May Indian Army patrol sent up; Five Indian soldiers captured and tortured to death.
9 May Heavy shelling by Pakistan Army damages ammunition dump in Kargil
10 May Infiltrations first noticed in Dras, Kaksar, and Mushkoh sectors
Mid-May Indian Army moves in more troops from Kashmir Valley to Kargil Sector
26 May IAF launches air strikes against infiltrators
27 May IAF loses two fighters – MiG-21 and MiG-27;. Flt Lt Nachiketa taken POW
28 May IAF MI-17 shot down by Pakistan; four air crew dead
1 June Pakistan steps up attacks; bombs NH 1A
5 June Indian Army releases documents recovered from three Pakistani soldiers indicating Pakistan's involvement
6 June Indian Army launches major offensive in Kargil
9 June Indian Army re-captures two key positions in the Batalic sector
11 June India releases intercepts of conversation between Pakistani Army Chief Gen Pervez Musharraf, while on a visit to China and Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Aziz Khan in Rawalpindi, as proof of Pakistani Army's involvement
13 June Indian Army secures Tololing in Dras
15 June U.S. President Bill Clinton, in a telephonic conversation, asks Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to pull out from Kargil
29 June Indian Army captures two vital posts: Point 5060 and Point 5100 near Tiger Hill
2 July Indian Army launches three-pronged attack in Kargil
4 July Indian Army recaptures Tiger Hill after an 11-hour battle
5 July Indian Army takes control of Dras. Sharif announces Pakistani army's withdrawal from Kargil following his meeting with Clinton
7 July India recaptures Jubar Heights in Batalik
11 July Pakistan begins pullout; India captures key peaks in Batalik
14 July Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee declares Operation Vijay a success. Government sets condition for talks with Pakistan
26 July Kargil conflict officially comes to an end. Indian Army announces complete eviction of Pakistani intruders.
 
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