BECA to be inked soon between India & US? It is topping Sitharaman’s agenda in US next week

[SuvarnaTeja]

Why would INS Viraat mean INS VIkramaditya ? .... are you stupid ?

INS Viraat has already been decommissioned.

 

[Shankranthi]

INS Viraat has already been decommissioned.

ok. Then its INS Vikrant. The one being built.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

ok. Then its INS Vikrant. The one being built.

INS Vikrant is an indigenous carrier with US propulsion systems and operating MIG-29Ks. I am not sure what equipment you are alluding to.

On the other hand Russia has been assisting with the current nuke sub project and is offering deep tech transfer for the P75I project.

 

[Shankranthi]

INS Vikrant is an indigenous carrier with US propulsion systems and operating MIG-29Ks. I am not sure what equipment you are alluding to.

On the other hand Russia has been assisting with the current nuke sub project and is offering deep tech transfer for the P75I project.

Landing arrester for starters. Who did you think was supplying them ?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Landing arrester for starters. Who did you think was supplying them ?

Do you know why LCA was delayed?

 

[Shankranthi]

Do you know why LCA was delayed?

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Yes, what is your point ?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Yes, what is your point ?

Point is BJP is signing LSA, CISMOA, BECA, EULA etc with the same party which delayed (almost killed) LCA project.

 

[Shankranthi]

Point is BJP is signing LSA, CISMOA, BECA, EULA etc with the same party which delayed (almost killed) LCA project.

So ?

Manmohan already signed a deal with the US that not only put a moratorium on nuclear tests, but also stopped research on thorium based reactors.

How is this worse ?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

So ?

Manmohan already signed a deal with the US that not only put a moratorium on nuclear tests, but also stopped research on thorium based reactors.

How is this worse ?

Nuke deal was closed by Modi.

Worse is Modi doing away with the nuclear liability clause. That was a cruel joke on the people of India whom he is supposed to represent and protect their interests.

Even the much ridiculed "puppet" MMS could get India an NSG waiver but Modi has failed to get India into NSG even after bending by doing away with the nuclear liability clause.

 

[Tshering22]

The only real option is to build stuff our selves, but till that happens, US is the next best thing under certain conditions.

Self-reliance is unfortunately something which the sarkaris don't understand in our country.

I always said this and will say it again; DRDO and HAL need to be privatised at the earliest and the relevant talent needs to be sifted clean.

Even the much ridiculed "puppet" MMS could get India an NSG waiver but Modi has failed to get India into NSG even after bending by doing away with the nuclear liability clause.

NSG needs the YES of all countries. And China refuses. At the end of the last vote we had 3 NOs and all other countries' YES. The three were Ireland, Turkey and China. Ireland stated that everyone needs to go through the same process that rest of NSG members did (basically sign the NPT and give up nukes).

China and Turkey refused due to their close ties with Pakistan.

US did make a strong case for India at NSG.

So, it is not like Modi is a wizard with a magic wand. He did try and he is still trying.

Unless of course, you have some solution for NSG membership, I am waiting.

 

[Shankranthi]

Nuke deal was closed by Modi.

Worse is Modi doing away with the nuclear liability clause. That was a cruel joke on the people of India whom he is supposed to represent and protect their interests.

Even the much ridiculed "puppet" MMS could get India an NSG waiver but Modi has failed to get India into NSG even after bending by doing away with the nuclear liability clause.

I am not here to educated you.

First find out what is the 123 Agreement.

Second Nuclear liability was capped at 109 million $ while GoI limit was capped at 300 million $. That is still so high that no US company has dared to set foot in India.

Third, Manmohan deal with Russia to build Nuclear reactors did not even have any liability clause

Why did not MMS get us into NSG ? What was the need to wait for Modi ?

Why did MMS stop research on Thorium reactors in India ?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

NSG needs the YES of all countries. And China refuses. At the end of the last vote we had 3 NOs and all other countries' YES. The three were Ireland, Turkey and China. Ireland stated that everyone needs to go through the same process that rest of NSG members did (basically sign the NPT and give up nukes).

China and Turkey refused due to their close ties with Pakistan.

US did make a strong case for India at NSG.

So, it is not like Modi is a wizard with a magic wand. He did try and he is still trying.

Unless of course, you have some solution for NSG membership, I am waiting.

Even for the NSG waiver we had to go through the same approval by the same group of countries and MMS was successful in getting it while Modi clearly failed. Blaming other countries for our diplomatic failures is useless.

I am not here to educated you.

First find out what is the 123 Agreement.

Second Nuclear liability was capped at 109 million $ while GoI limit was capped at 300 million $. That is still so high that no US company has dared to set foot in India.

Third, Manmohan deal with Russia to build Nuclear reactors did not even have any liability clause

Why did not MMS get us into NSG ? What was the need to wait for Modi ?

Why did MMS stop research on Thorium reactors in India ?

Yet Russia was building Nuke plants in India even without the need for a liability clause while it was brought by Modi under US pressure.

 

[Shankranthi]

Even for the NSG waiver we had to go through the same approval by the same group of countries and MMS was successful in getting it while Modi clearly failed. Blaming other countries for our diplomatic failures is useless.

It was MMS responsibility to get us into the NSG, not Modi's. After all it was MSG who signed the deal with the US.

So why did MMS fail to do that ? What is his excuse ?

Yet Russia was building Nuke plants in India even without the need for a liability clause while it was brought by Modi under US pressure.

So your problem is with the liability clause or not having a liability clause ? Make up your mind.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

It was MMS responsibility to get us into the NSG, not Modi's. After all it was MSG who signed the deal with the US.

So why did MMS fail to do that ? What is his excuse ?

Why is it a responsibility of MMS? The whole Next Steps in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) thing was started by ABV.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/nssp.htm

Running the government is like a running a relay race. MMS did his part by getting India a waiver from NSG. Modi took the baton from MMS but he failed to get India into NSG.

So your problem is with the liability clause or not having a liability clause ? Make up your mind.

The point is if you have a liability clause it needs to have a higher benefit limits to benefit the impacted citizens of India should there be an incident/accident. In this case it looks like Modi worked for the interests of the foreign companies rather than the citizens of India by lowering the benefit limits.

Worse after all this bending Modi could not get India into NSG. That is the sad part of the failure. Modi failed India in this case.

 

[Shankranthi]

Why is it a responsibility of MMS? The whole Next Steps in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) thing was started by ABV.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/nssp.htm

Running the government is like a running a relay race. MMS did his part by getting India a waiver from NSG. Modi took the baton from MMS but he failed to get India into NSG.

No, sorry. No can do.

If MMS signed the NSSP then the onus of executing it also lies with MMS. Either that or he should have thought of some fail safe or plan B.

He cannot drop the ball and then expect Modi to pick it up so that he can shift the blame.

It was MMS responsibility to get India into the NSG, not Modi's responsibility since he only inherited that problem.

The point is if you have a liability clause it needs to have a higher benefit limits to benefit the impacted citizens of India should there be an incident/accident. In this case it looks like Modi worked for the interests of the foreign companies rather than the citizens of India by lowering the benefit limits.

Worse after all this bending Modi could not get India into NSG. That is the sad part of the failure. Modi failed India in this case.

Then your whole point is defunct since NO nuclear plants have been built after introduction of the Liability clause. So no benefit of Indian citizen has been compromised upon. The entire point is just academic. In any case, no nuclear plant can be allowed to have a melt down irrespective of the existence of a Liability clause.

Let us not forget it was the CONgress and Rajiv Gandhi who let the Bhopal gas tragedy culprit escape and even provided him with an aircraft to escape.

So if anybody has failed India it has been the CONgress. Twice. Both times selling out India to a foreign agent.