Be prepared to deal with terror, Hindus urged

[DesiGuy]

that was pure stupidity. Nobody is saying hindus do not have right to protect themselves. Do you think anybody who wants secularism suggest hindus to be butchered?
Hindus have every right to protect themselves, even using violent means for self preservation. That is so obvious, it need not be mentioned. What I dont understand is, hindus dominate of Indiin all spheres. No minority possess any capability to challenge hindu stronghold on power.
Muslims (which resident saffron feel danger from) are the weakest lot in India. If a muslim says I fear hindus will kill us I can understand (see the hits they take during communal riots).. but why should hindus fear?

There is no true secular nation in the world. Even the "land of free" is not true secular. the term secularism has been twisted by political leaders. The people who were butchered believed in type of secularism crap at the time, they believed everyone is equal and all religions are peaceful. they are no different then seculars of today.

hindus do not dominate all spheres of india, hindus are divided, there is no unity among them)...you do realize how big role muslims played in elections, right? and their role will only get bigger. wake up plz...Hinduism is not dominate religion of india anymore except in population.
Also i don't know whether to laugh or cry, when you say muslims are the weekest in india. stop making them look like victims. they are not victims. they are not being bullied. they are the bully.

 

[amitkriit]

You are confused between the links posted by me and @AugenBlick .
For your sake, I'm posting the link again. By an INDIAN REPORTER.
Christian Maoists nexus in Orissa

You are trying to convince a Liberal Extremist.

 

[AugenBlick]

ok.. tell me the story. I want to know how that is relevant.
is it in reply to my assertion that upper caste dominate in India. I am from upper caste and I know it.
In my ancestral village, lower caste people and muslims are not allowed into our house. Even now. They will stay outside and call us if they need to talk to us.
Leave that, go to any office, you will see its all full of upper caste people. They sneer and make jokes about lower caste and muslim people openly.

Anecdote != Data my friend.
I posted a wsj link on how 50% of Brahmins in india, in2007 earn less than 100$ a month .
this so called upper cast snide may be common where you are from , but I have only seen the other side of the story.

 

[Dem!god]

most christians in developed coutries also dont talk about religion. Its a personal thing. If hindus want to keep it personal and dont want to discuss unnecessarily, its a good thing. It means we know how to live and let live.
Take pride in what is good. not shout from rooftop .. hey I am hindu...

lol... u are shaming urself.... most western are leaving or are becoming atheist.... do u know the drop in % of christians in west... if they want to keep it that secret what do they do in the tribal area of india and africa.... the only people who hide something when they feel its not right or when they feel shame abt it... i think u are ashamed of being Hindu. or u feel ur friends will feel offended when u will say so, or how the next person will react, what will he think of me, if he comes to know out....
its not abt shouting from.the roof top but its abt lying to ur self, making self proclamation to ur inner consciousness....

 

[StormShadow]

There is no true secular nation in the world. Even the "land of free" is not true secular. the term secularism has been twisted by political leaders. The people who were butchered believed in type of secularism crap at the time, they believed everyone is equal and all religions are peaceful. they are no different then seculars of today.

hindus do not dominate all spheres of india, hindus are divided, there is no unity among them)...you do realize how big role muslims played in elections, right? and their role will only get bigger. wake up plz...Hinduism is not dominate religion of india anymore except in population.
Also i don't know whether to laugh or cry, when you say muslims are the weekest in india. stop making them look like victims. they are not victims. they are not being bullied. they are the bully.

And you should know that not everybody who has "hindu" in his username is a hindu.

 

[wolfschanzze]

In my village RSS cadre rescued a woman after she took money from Missionaries to convert into Christianity and later reverted back . The local Christians beat her up and kept her chained for several days to make an example of her.

Yep that is what they do when they are in majority in any village or districts.They want to rename "Kanya kumari" to "Kanni Mary" and that is majority christian area, where hindus are second class citizens.

 

[livingdead]

May be they practise Sati as well? Christian Missionaries must intervene and civilize these people immediately.

well, may be my village is backward, point taken. I have enough experience in India to know how my own caste people behave.
Try to understand before using unnessary sarcasm, christian missionary or not, these things need to be done by govt.
I dont like missionaries who are pushy and cheat people but if they preach better living and people's lives are changed why not. ISKON is converting lots of people here, best of luck to them too.
And rather be a converted christian than a dalit any day. If I was a dalit its a no brainer.

 

[wolfschanzze]

most christians in developed coutries also dont talk about religion. Its a personal thing. If hindus want to keep it personal and dont want to discuss unnecessarily, its a good thing. It means we know how to live and let live.
Take pride in what is good. not shout from rooftop .. hey I am hindu...

Why not shout it from rooftops?Muslims do that everyday 5 times a day in India, Shout from rooftops that their god is great and there is no one greater than him.
I guess even in UK they do, what words you have for them? or is it your low self-esteem that will only sermonize hindus on the finer points of keeping their religion personal while,letting others shout on megaphones?

 

[AugenBlick]

lol... u are shaming urself.... most western are leaving or are becoming atheist.... do u know the drop in % of christians in west... if they want to keep it that secret what do they do in the tribal area of india and africa.... the only people who hide something when they feel its not right or when they feel shame abt it... i think u are ashamed of being Hindu. or u feel ur friends will feel offended when u will say so, or how the next person will react, what will he think of me, if he comes to know out....
its not abt shouting from.the roof top but its abt lying to ur self, making self proclamation to ur inner consciousness....

Stop with the truth... you will foil his secularized mental mastrubatorium

 

[amitkriit]

well, may be my village is backward, point taken. I have enough experience in India to know how my own caste people behave.
Try to understand before using unnessary sarcasm, christian missionary or not, these things need to be done by govt.
I dont like missionaries who are pushy and cheat people but if they preach better living and people's lives are changed why not. ISKON is converting lots of people here, best of luck to them too.
And rather be a converted christian than a dalit any day. If I was a dalit its a no brainer.

Is that why many Christian converts keep their Dalit surname in India to enjoy the fruits of reservation?

 

[AugenBlick]

And rather be a converted christian than a dalit any day. If I was a dalit its a no brainer.

Cast is a social evil maintained even by the Christians.
Caste system among Indian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[scorpionx]

truly speaking , none other has harmed Hinduism more than Hindus themselves..... why are we so, shy of ourselves.... i have seen a few on this forum who turn atheist, Buddhist and non believer when talking to other in religion... its utter shame .. no other religion is as grand as hinduism, no other religion is as spiritual as hinduism, no other religion as forward as hinduism.... i don't know if god is there or not but if there is a god and he have made religion for human's its none other than Hinduism....
its the most fruitful religion ever...
and any hindu must be proud of his religion, his faith...and his culture....

Does this beauty of spiritualism, the verses of vedas or the complexity of Upanishada put the people who deliberately politicize religion, murders people,destroys historical sites and shamelessly distorts history above law? I respect my religion but why should I refrain myself from condemning liars and murderers because my religion is beautiful?

 

[AugenBlick]

Does this beauty of spiritualism, the verses of vedas or the complexity of Upanishada put the people who deliberately politicize religion, murders people,destroys historical sites and shamelessly distorts history above law? I respect my religion but why should I refrain myself from condemning murderers?

Because they did not occur in vacuums.
Agreed rule of law should be supreme but self defense is a god given right.

 

[livingdead]

Anecdote != Data my friend.
I posted a wsj link on how 50% of Brahmins in india, in2007 earn less than 100$ a month .
this so called upper cast snide may be common where you are from , but I have only seen the other side of the story.

ok.. in some states I know brahmins are sneered, especially tamilnadu and other states where 'middle upper castes' have captured power.
btw I am not brahmin, and I dont blame brahmin unlike other upper caste people do for everything. Even then brahmins are much better shape than dalits.
Brahmins are not rich but they dominate professional class (traditionally good with education). Brahmins are not killed or raped routinely in India so dont compare them with dalits.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So an article that quotes people with name has no credibility.

An unsupported fragment of this sort, filed by a reporter with no before or after, published in a paper with pretensions to knowledge of social or political factors prevailing in the parts of India mentioned, has no credibility.