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B'desh steps up troops deployment on Myanmar border amid row

Chinese are backing the burmese and also claim to be on bangladesh's friend if a war does breakout it will be interesting to see who the chinese help more.Burma has 400,000 trained men it would be difficult for bangladesh to have any kind of victory the best they could do is hold a defensive posture.

At the time of war, China will not support BD (in 1991 they did not).
But BD's main objective would be to neutralize China which I think can be possible if India does not get involved with BD. We basically dont need Chinese help. Uncle Sam will be more than happy to extend the hand against Burmese.
 
At the time of war, China will not support BD (in 1991 they did not).
But BD's main objective would be to neutralize China which I think can be possible if India does not get involved with BD. We basically dont need Chinese help. Uncle Sam will be more than happy to extend the hand against Burmese.

who is uncle Sam, I keep hearing it. :what:
 
India will not support any country. India has provided some arms to Burma earlier including HAL Helicopters. India doesn't want any trouble will sit and watch the bollywood movie.

lol :rofl:

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who is uncle Sam, I keep hearing it. :what:

lol befor i ddint know dat i asked this question today itself its america
 
Myanmar – Bangladesh situation - A brief analysis

While Bangladesh is direct party to this conflict, it is not Bangladesh who directly involved in the escalation. Bangladesh actually dragged into a much bigger fight and strategic quest of some other big countries. Reading the news will just be confusing but a careful analysis would reveal who is behind this Myanmar escalation and who stand to gain.

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Notice the last news item from indian source "Myanmar builds troops on border, says Bangladesh". "South Asian Media Net", "yahoo.india" etc. That's where the clue is for the puzzle of recent Myanmar huff and puff. Even when Bangladesh foreign ministry said there was no Myanmar troops build up.

Two
Then dual dilemma Bangladesh facing with maritime border encroachment by both india from west and Myanmar from east. If Bangladesh is engaged in military and any other form of prolong conflict with Myanmar it means Bangladesh with limited resource will not able to concentrate on other encroachment done by india. So india will again stand to gain from a Myanmar and Bangladeshi conflict.

Three
Also, recent indian supply of arms to Myanmar and training of Myanmar armed forces clarify why the escalation. Indian military establishment also provided war game training to Myanmar forces where Bangladesh was portrayed as the aggressor.

Four
There is another clue, who would stand to gain if this turn out to be a military confrontation? Neither Myanmar and nor Bangladesh will benefit from such conflict. Myanmar junta and army actually been fed with dubious and cooked up information for this escalate the situation. And most of it instigated by india and the lone superpower. China will loose from such conflict more because it will most likely mean demise of the junta govt and the strategic relation China has with them. That has been indian goal all along -removing Chinese influence from Myanmar.

Five
Recently Myanmar has stopped short of granting india access through its highway to ASEAN countries. With current indian relationship leverage with Myanmar, india has limited influence to gain access through Myanmar roads and territory. But weaker Myanmar gets more leverage for India. Any military conflict will perhaps even provide india with opportunity to push and remove Chinese listening post from Myanmar island.

Orchestration of conflict

One end the sole superpower giving Bangladesh false hope of arms supply and forcing rhetoric from PM and govt officials. On the other end indians are supplying arms, instigation to Myanmar junta against Bangladesh. But both india and the superpower are working to gain from a conflict and both working towards same the goal.

So who will be gaining from such conflict?

From brief analysis, india is the most beneficial country from such escaleted situation. From indian motive, means and move it could not be clearer who is cooking up this conflict from the get go. But there is also a geo strategic partner in indian crime, that partner is the lone superpower. Minimizing Chinese influence in Indian Ocean is one of geo strategic goal of both india and the lone superpower. A Myanmar –BD conflict perfectly fits in to support that plan as China stand to lose. When the superpower offer to support BN out of the blue it begged the question why? But we know now.


What Bangladesh stand to lose

1. First and foremost, loss of Bangladesh maritime territory to both Myanmar and to india.
2. Loss of road access through Myanmar and forever be hostage to indian territory and trade monopoly.
3. Loss of a trusted and strategic friend and ally and partner, China
4. Bangladesh armed forces will lose only reliable source for any military hardware. Therefore Bangladesh military will be ceased to exist.
5. Loss of future and most promising market - China.
 
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@ Idune.

Cannot expect lesser then this from you. Great analysis, you must chief of ISI.
 
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Get real. If Myanmar and Bangladesh go to war, India would obviously side with Bangladesh. Myanmar is an ally of China, we will not allow China to exploit the situation by placing troops on the Burmese-India border. That said, i do not think that certain powers - US, China and India - would allow this situation to go out of hand.
 
At the time of war, China will not support BD (in 1991 they did not).
But BD's main objective would be to neutralize China which I think can be possible if India does not get involved with BD. We basically dont need Chinese help. Uncle Sam will be more than happy to extend the hand against Burmese.

two questions
how would BD neutralize China?
How would india be involved?

India and China are both actively arming Burma. Why would USA help Bangladesh? there is almost nothing for USA to gain from helping BD. BD does not have any strategic value or natural resources and BD is not a big arms buyer from USA.
 
hmm....a Korean War situation is arising.Our Land border with Burma is small,BTW.Is that an advantage for us if the Burmese decide to attack?BTW we got 30 warships ready and BDR DG would be asking for more battalions.

This is a testing time for the country;after the BDR mutiny occurred we will finally get to see how badly it has affected the country.
 
That is absolutely not true. Even burmese media is reporting troops movement.
She probably trying to defuse the situation.

Yes, she is trying to defuse, but her statement does not show she has an expertize on it. I do not think our generals care about what this little Dipu Moni says or not. But, her statement is confusing. As a FM she is responsible for failing to improve the relationship. Now, she is taliking as if she is a FM of Burma and not of BD. She should be sacked for professional negligence. See another report below:

The Daily Star - Details News

Myanmar brings in everything
Troops, tanks, warships, frigate to spread tension further; Dhaka terms it routine exercise
M Abul Kalam Azad and Ahmede Hussain

The Myanmar military brought in heavy tanks, artillery guns, 12 warships and a frigate along its border with Bangladesh in the last 24 hours ended yesterday evening as part of its preparation for a large-scale conflict with Bangladesh, sources at the Bangladesh Armed Forces said.

Bangladesh also has strengthened its military build-up in a bid to repulse a Myanmarese incursion by preparing 30 warships in Chittagong and Khulna, a Navy official stationed at Chittagong told The Daily Star.

However, Foreign Minister Dipu Moni at a press conference yesterday rejected reports about the heavy military build-up by Myanmar along Bangladesh border, saying it is a routine movement of the security personnel.

"I had talks with our ambassador, an army officer, in Myanmar and he told me that it is a routine practice," she said, adding, “Foreign Secretary Mijarul Quayes also called the Myanmar ambassador in Dhaka and the envoy conveyed him the same message.”

Ground reality did not support the foreign minister's claim as various sources in the military, Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) and intelligence agencies said that the situation on the border remained tense.

"The situation at Bangladesh-Myanmar border has remained tense," Major General Mainul Islam, director general (DG) of BDR, said last night.

The BDR DG met State Minister for Home Affairs Shamsul Haq Tuku yesterday and 'normally' discussed the border situation.

"I am going to place some proposals tomorrow (Monday) to include construction of more Border Operations Outposts across the border and a few more battalions to strengthen the border guards," he told The Daily Star.

An intelligence agency official said Myanmar has doubled its military presence at the border over the last couple of weeks, a move that has prompted Bangladesh to take similar measures.

"Myanmar has sent in 37/57mm artillery guns that will bring Chittagong under their firing range," the Navy officer told The Daily Star after the foreign minister claimed normalcy at the border.

Based on the information so far gathered, we suspect that Myanmar is making preparation for a short-scale naval conflict, he said.

"Suspicious military preparations have been going on at the Myanmarese side of the border over the last two months," an intelligence official said, adding that the Myanmar army has newly deployed two battle units at their side.

Earlier Myanmar had deployed nine Light Infantry Battalions in its border with Bangladesh. As part of their repeated provocative acts, the junta has violated international border rules and constructed illegal barbed wire fences along the frontier.

"We in the Bangladesh Navy suspect that Myanmar wants to intrude into our sea and declare a large chunk of area as their Maritime Exclusive Zone," the Navy official said.

The Myanmar junta can intrude into the Bangladeshi waters any time to claim ten nautical miles area, which covers the disputed block, which is thought to be a big source of oil and natural gas, he said.

Sources said after Bangladesh's maritime boundary talks with Myanmar ended inconclusively in April, Bangladesh Navy made a deployment plan last September and sent it to the government for immediate action.

The deployment plan urged the government to strengthen maritime patrol at the Bay of Bengal and arrange joint naval exercises with friendly countries.

Meanwhile, sources in Sittwe (formerly known as Akiab) said that Myanmarese Air Force Tatmadaw has stationed three fighter planes at the Sittwe airfield. Sittwe is only 80km away from Chittagong airport.

Twelve warships are constantly patrolling the Bay area, which borders Bangladesh, the sources added.

According to Bangladesh Navy sources, a new Myanmar navy frigate, built with the Chinese help at Yangon, has arrived at the Bay of Bengal.

"There have also been new tanks and armoured columns are pouring in using the 40km road that they have recently built," said another Navy officer.

He said Bangladesh has kept around 30 warships standby in Chittagong and Khulna to repulse any Myanmarese incursion. “The Myanmarese army personnel are regularly infiltrating into Bangladesh territory in the guise of civilians to gather information.”

Briefing newsmen, Foreign Minister Dipu Moni also said she had no information about whether Myanmar's border guards were trying to push Rohingya refugees across the border.

In reply to a question, the foreign minister said Myanmar is not violating international laws by erecting barbed wire fences along Bangladesh border as well. "Myanmar is constructing fences in their territory conforming to international laws," she said.

Dipu Moni also said the movement of the Myanmar security forces has no link with Bangladesh's decision to seek UN arbitration to determine maritime boundary between the two neighbouring countries.

Asked whether Bangladesh asked China to mediate to resolve the crisis, she replied that she had no idea about any official proposal in this regard.

Meanwhile, no new leave for the navy men are now being granted, as all leaves in the Bangladesh Navy have been restricted, sources at the navy said.
 
Burmese military is ruthless, even the chinese have backed off from fighting the Burmese over the recent border skirmishes.

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for a developing country like Bangladesh to try to fight against Burma backed by the Chinese it will be a real test. The Chinese have much to gain by backing burma in hopes of grabbing the natural gas deposits with a burmese victory best Bangladesh can do is be defensive and not give up too much ground.
 
do we have troops right at the border or just deployed near border areas?
they are still infiltrating!where are the BDR and army troops?
 
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Seems like Myanmarese are preparing for real war. Thanks to our intellegence. They gathered all the information.
Is Bangladesh talking to our allies? What uncle sam is saying? How about middle eastern Saudis and Kuwaitis? We could borrow some firgters from Saudis. Bomb the hell out of Rengoon with Saudi F-15.

In 1991, BD defence was much weaker than what it is today. Burma had assembled more than 50,000 troops across our border. Thailand vehemently protested the move. It was after the 1991 election, Begum Zia was the PM.

She immediately telephoned PM of Pakistan Newaz Sharif and requested him to supply quite a number of important armaments. I cannot recall what these were. Pakistan immediately sent these vital weapons by their military cargo planes. Not only that, Newaz Sharif ordered two divisions of Pakistani troops to standby at the Karachi Port.

Our PM contacted also the Saudi King. The present Badshah Abdullah was then the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. He flew to Dhaka and after landing at Dhaka he was immediately taken to the border on his request, where he declared that Saudi Arabia was with Bangladesh in time of her need and would do whatever is needed to thwart a Burmese attack.

BD had sent about two army divisions near Ramu. But, our intelligence group went behind the enemy line, ready to blow up the Burmese road communication system. Finally, a compromise was reached whereby the Bumese returned the arms they had taken away after killing 3 BDR troops in a BoP. Until the Burmese troops left the border, BD troops kept on waiting in the trenches.

This time the situation is more favourable to BD. Our present PM made her first foreign visit to Saudi Arabia. This gesture has not gone unnoticed by the King. Who knows, he may send a hundred fighter planes, we have the pilots. However, I hope the history will repeat itself and the situation will defuse. But our little Dipu Moni is making this difficult by THINKING too loud.
 
The reports of the Burmese buildup are reported on all different papers icluding burmese sources

Burma, Bangladesh Reinforce Border Troops

Indian encroachment is not a military encroachment if it was Bangladesh would finished in a matter of hours.

India will continue to arm Burma, but one suggestion to India should be to seal the border since mass refugees may come across if a war starts

China will gain more than India in this but both stand to gain since both have decades long military ties with Burma. Burma will most likely easily be the winner so i see both countries gaining from this. The India -China angle is irrelevant since this is a burma-bangladesh conflict both India and China can possibly improve relations by sharing the spoils from the burmese victory.
 
At the time of war, China will not support BD (in 1991 they did not).
But BD's main objective would be to neutralize China which I think can be possible if India does not get involved with BD. We basically dont need Chinese help. Uncle Sam will be more than happy to extend the hand against Burmese.

It is more likely that India will support the Myanmar military while the US supports BD. The last thing China wants is a war.
 
This time the situation is more favourable to BD. Our present PM made her first foreign visit to Saudi Arabia. This gesture has not gone unnoticed by the King. Who knows, he may send a hundred fighter planes, we have the pilots. However, I hope the history will repeat itself and the situation will defuse. But our little Dipu Moni is making this difficult by THINKING too loud.

The Saudi trip was an utter failure. The BD delegation was rebuked. Both Pakistan and Saudi are distrustful of this BD government. China is also not on friendly terms. You can also expect that India will betray us to achieve their strategic objectives against China. Only the US will come to our aid but the Indians will not like that.
 

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