BD minister:'Destinies of Bangladesh and India are intertwined'

[Zabaniyah]

Thats an apt reply..

Same to you sir

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Good to see that half of 1947's Pakistan is now on a much more friendlier terms with India (barring a few fanatical kids).. 60 years is not that long a time to achieve that.. Hopefully the relationship with the balance half will also improve over time ...

so Bangladesh (east Pakistan in 47) is half of Pakistan ? mate are you kidding me ?

here is some geography
Bangladesh = 55,598 sq miles (143,998 sq km)

Pakistan mainland = 307,374 sq miles (796,095 sq km ) + Pakistani-administered Kashmir 32,323 sq miles ( 83,716 sq km) =

339,697 sq miles (879,811 sq km )

339,697/55,598 = 6.1
Pakistan is more then 6.1 times the size of Bangladesh so how can bangladesh be half of pakistan ? forget the whole heck even just half of Pakistan is 3 times the size of Bangladesh & the other half another 3.1 times the size of Bangladesh
Pakistan is in the 3 lakh plus category its larger then even France & the u.k combined or Bangladesh & Myanmar combined & is 6.1 times larger then Bangladesh

 

[Tamizhan]

so Bangladesh (east Pakistan in 47) is half of Pakistan ? mate are you kidding me ?

here is some geography
Bangladesh = 55,598 sq miles (143,998 sq km)

Pakistan mainland = 307,374 sq miles (796,095 sq km ) + Pakistani-administered Kashmir 32,323 sq miles ( 83,716 sq km) =

339,697 sq miles (879,811 sq km )

339,697/55,598 = 6.1
Pakistan is more then 6.1 times the size of Bangladesh so how can bangladesh be half of pakistan ? forget the whole heck even just half of Pakistan is 3 times the size of Bangladesh & the other half another 3.1 times the size of Bangladesh
Pakistan is in the 3 lakh plus category its larger then even France & the u.k combined or Bangladesh & Myanmar combined & is 6.1 times larger then Bangladesh

Half was regards to the population.

 

[kalu_miah]

Another example of Indians trying to define Bangladesh and Bangladeshi's with their RAWamy League agents. Well, for our clueless countrymen, this should wake you up, no? We should spread the message among our countrymen, where ever and when ever we can about Islamophobic Indians and about their campaign of Big Lies and deceptions. See how they are calling and labeling all Bangladeshi's here as Jamati's, while I do not think there is any. There are one or two who are more religiously inclined than others and even them, I am not sure if they ever were part of the political party called Jamat or any of its wings. They got our clueless public fooled and have RAWamy League in power, so they can define those of us who resist the Indian design as Jamati's.

From now, even if there is corruption, all 85% should support BNP and identify clearly the rest 5% that are die hard RAWamy Leaguers. The alternative is that our country Bangladesh will continue to be controlled and defined by the Babu's in South block. We need to make our countrymen aware of what really is going on.

 

[Mattrixx]

There is nothing false in cooperating with india,unless our interest is doomed.We can take this relation as an advantage for our economy.

We cant fight in water with the crocodile

And our views should be removing poverty & improving people's fate so what is wrong.In advance india has a good democracy & less corruption, so to improve on these section our views should be same.

From now, even if there is corruption, all 85% should support BNP and identify clearly the rest 5% that are die hard RAWamy Leaguers. The alternative is that our country Bangladesh will continue to be controlled and defined by the Babu's in South block. We need to make our countrymen aware of what really is going on.

Why not we think like that the entire NE block of india will be controlled by us

 

[GR!FF!N]

Bdesh have some minor tiff with India (water sharing formula and border issues)..but they are minor problem and easily can be solved.by the way,we welcome BD minister's approach..

by the way,Awamy's corruption has nothing to do with India..but yes..Awamy league is taking a Pro-Indian approach to solve the issues with India,not Anti-Indian approach like BNP to increase it..

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

I <3 this government

 

[kalu_miah]

There is nothing false in cooperating with india,unless our interest is doomed.We can take this relation as an advantage for our economy.

We cant fight in water with the crocodile

And our views should be removing poverty & improving people's fate so what is wrong.In advance india has a good democracy & less corruption, so to improve on these section our views should be same.

Why not we think like that the entire NE block of india will be controlled by us

There is nothing wrong with cooperating with India on trade, commerce, water management and other issues, but we should not and shall not be run by India, which is what India is trying to do using RAWamy League.

We have relation with India, China, ASEAN, West and the rest of the world and should decide based on majority opinion who we should trust and build strategic and military alliance with.

Bangladesh is no push over for India and we will get our fair share of water and other issues, no matter how much they try to deprive us against international law. India is not a big enough crocodile to threaten us, may be Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim or Sri Lanka, but not Bangladesh.

India wants to keep Bangladesh weak and poor, so removing Indian influence on Bangladesh and achieving "independence" or shadhinota will be the first step for improving our situation, our democracy, polity, economy and everything else.

Your sentence is not clear, do you mean we will be like NE India, controlled by India? or do you mean we will be controlling NE India?

 

[ebr77]

If you ask me man, we both could become best of best among friends, but India definitely needs to behave maturely.

 

[Mattrixx]

Your sentence is not clear, do you mean we will be like NE India, controlled by India? or do you mean we will be controlling NE India?

Yes why not, NE block is far apart from india.They need our help.We can use that for our benefit.We can make them pro BD.
We shall control that part

 

[Zabaniyah]

Something tells me that their (India & AL) relationship hasn't changed much ever since the Agartala Conspiracy.

 

[Mattrixx]

Something tells me that their (India & AL) relationship hasn't changed much ever since the Agartala Conspiracy.

What was agartala conspiracy case have u any idea;it was a plot to destroy our rights & power.Pk govt wanted us to be like puppet without Al that time.They were suggesting that we have relation with india.But they made joke of us in the 65's war with india they didn't give any protection to our borders.India could attack us that time only good relation with them saved us that time.
So how the pak gov were sggesting that mujib & his fellows r traitor.They were just working for the people.

But Im not fully supporting the roles of present AL.They r selilng our interests sometimes.

 

[Zabaniyah]

What was agartala conspiracy case have u any idea;it was a plot to destroy our rights & power.Pk govt wanted us to be like puppet without Al that time.They were suggesting that we have relation with india.But they made joke of us in the 65's war with india they didn't give any protection to our borders.India could attack us that time only good relation with them saved us that time.
So how the pak gov were sggesting that mujib & his fellows r traitor.They were just working for the people.

But Im not fully supporting the roles of present AL.They r selilng our interests sometimes.

Erm...that's not the point dear.

See, Mujib himself went to India to plan to conspire against the State of Pakistan in order to secede East Pakistan once and for all.

The charges read out during the Agartala conspiracy case were indeed true, and the ISI reports were accurate. People often do assume that the charges were meant to frame Mujib. But that's not necessarily the case.

Do you recall a chap named Col. Shawkat Ali? He was one of the accused along with Sheikh Mujib and his supporters.

Here's are some parts from an interview with him:

Q. How exactly did this lead to the circumstances of the Agartala Case?

I joined the army in 1958. In the 60s, army personnel from then East Pakistan, banded together and decided on a plan to attack and take over all cantonments residing in East Pakistan on a given date, in an attempt to stage a coup. It was also decided that under the leadership of Sheikh Mujib, who wasn&#8217;t yet &#8220;Bangabandhu&#8221; &#8211; he was Mujib bhai to us; we would declare the independence of East Pakistan from Pakistan. I got involved with the plan in &#8217;66 when I was stationed at the Comilla cantonment as a captain in the army. In the plan, I was in charge of the take over of the Comilla cantonment. Sadly, the plans were leaked before they could be executed. And that is how the historic Agartala Case came to be.

Q. Why exactly is this referred to as the Agartala Conspiracy Case?

The name &#8220;Agartala Conspiracy Case&#8221;, is a misnomer. The actual name of the case filed against us was State vs Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and Others. A total of 35 accused, including Sheikh Mujib.

The name of Agartala became associated with the case due to a small incident. A two member delegation from our group went to Agartala, India, to meet Indian authorities to discuss with them our plans and ask them if they could aid us.

The accusation against us was 100 paragraphs long one, out of which only one paragraph was devoted to this tiny event. Until recently it was believed this case was a ploy to get rid of Sheikh Mujib, when in reality it was a case filed on very concrete and true accusations. We did conspire for secession of East Pakistan! The accusations were 100 percent true.

Source: In Conversation with Col (retd) Shawkat Ali « Dhaka Courier

This was on news:
'Agartala conspiracy case was not false' | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com

Another old article:
http://www.thedailystar.net/law/200310/03/index.htm

And not surprisingly, everyone in Bangladesh are quiet over this. And it is best to remain quiet.

My suspicion is that this Cold War-era relationship that the AL has with India still exists to this very day.

And let me assure you, any country clinging on to Cold War ideals are going to screw up. And in this case, India's relationship with Bangladesh being ruled by the AL. To add insult to injury, the AL are becoming increasingly hallow with each passing day.

The BNP? That party is lead by the woman who doesn't even have a high school degree. And once more, she appointed that traitor Moeen. Do we need to say more?

The key mistake Pakistan did at the time was the Bhutto got too greedy. He should have let Mujib take the cake. He wouldn't have lasted for a week in power anyways. And the crackdowns by the Pakistan Army were too brutal that angered Bengalis greatly. This, and the reckless attack on the western front by the PAF only benefited in India's cause.

But enough about the past. We need changes in our political system in order to get the most out of our potential. And that it solely benefits Bangladesh. And no, we do not need to be enemies with India as some people here claim. It is our 'leaders' who do not prioritize Bangladeshi interests properly.

 

[kalu_miah]

Yes why not, NE block is far apart from india.They need our help.We can use that for our benefit.We can make them pro BD.
We shall control that part

We can definitely work with NE India for mutual benefit, most of them are not Islamophobe Hindu's like other parts of India. Ethnically they are more oriental South East Asian, closer to Tibeto Burman people of Myanmar and many of them are Christians and Buddhists. But we should not support their separatist insurgents, unless of course India supports Chakma Shanti Bahini insurgents. I am more interested in peace dividend than engaging in wars and conflict, which makes poor people suffer unnecessarily.

Erm...that's not the point dear.

See, Mujib himself went to India to plan to conspire against the State of Pakistan in order to secede East Pakistan once and for all.

The charges read out during the Agartala conspiracy case were indeed true, and the ISI reports were accurate. People often do assume that the charges were meant to frame Mujib. But that's not necessarily the case.

Do you recall a chap named Col. Shawkat Ali? He was one of the accused along with Sheikh Mujib and his supporters.

Here's are some parts from an interview with him:




Source: In Conversation with Col (retd) Shawkat Ali « Dhaka Courier

This was on news:
'Agartala conspiracy case was not false' | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com

Another old article:
Law & Our Rights

And not surprisingly, everyone in Bangladesh are quiet over this. And it is best to remain quiet.

My suspicion is that this Cold War-era relationship that the AL has with India still exists to this very day.

And let me assure you, any country clinging on to Cold War ideals are going to screw up. And in this case, India's relationship with Bangladesh being ruled by the AL. To add insult to injury, the AL are becoming increasingly hallow with each passing day.

The BNP? That party is lead by the woman who doesn't even have a high school degree. And once more, she appointed that traitor Moeen. Do we need to say more?

The key mistake Pakistan did at the time was the Bhutto got too greedy. He should have let Mujib take the cake. He wouldn't have lasted for a week in power anyways. And the crackdowns by the Pakistan Army were too brutal that angered Bengalis greatly. This, and the reckless attack on the western front by the PAF only benefited in India's cause.

But enough about the past. We need changes in our political system in order to get the most out of our potential. And that it solely benefits Bangladesh. And no, we do not need to be enemies with India as some people here claim. It is our 'leaders' who do not prioritize Bangladeshi interests.

India has been our enemy since they created this entity called RAWamy League with a demagogue Mujib at its head. We have been fooled by this duo RAW+Awamy League ever since and it continues till today.

I will call them friends the day they stop interfering in our internal/domestic politics.

 

[Zabaniyah]

India has been our enemy since they created this entity called RAWamy League with a demagogue Mujib at its head. We have been fooled by this duo RAW+Awamy League ever since and it continues till today.

I will call them friends the day they stop interfering in our internal/domestic politics.

Mujib was a fool. No doubt about it.

The Awami League today is as hallow as the soul of an echo.

Little or no organization, massive corruption, and filled with completely classless characters, we'd wonder as to just how the organization survives today? Doesn't it seem obvious?