BD Government to seek Evidence from Pakistan and USA - War Crime 1971

[aussie_1973]

Yes you are right that many of the Mukti's are true Islamic and will die for Islam and justices with smile in the face yet you can not denied the fact there are many mukti who initially got trained from Indian inspired by "Joy bangla joy bongobondu' instead of "Narre-Takbir" and "Allahu-Akbar" are real musrik and true enemy of Islam. They were traitor than and still traitor now as they refused to build Islamic Bangladesh. Those "Joy bangla joy bongobondu" musrik mukti are the real culprits that were responsible for defused the war between west and east pak Muslims. So spare me from some misery and I will appreciate if you do not try to measure all mukti as same element.

You mention about "straight". He is a true Islamic Mukti who may have fought for justices under unavoidable circumstances brought upon by those Musrik "joy Bangla joy Bongobondu" mukti and not so called secular Hindu Bengali cultured Bangladesh.



Get this fact in your head that Indian didn't helped us to helped us. It was india's interest to break united pakistan and wanted to drew a scar in Muslim brotherhood. It also wanted to humiliate Muslim that ruled Hindu India for thousand years. It has accomplished a super goal with the help from traitors in both side of united Pakistan and which was biggest slap to Muslim in the history of Islamic world.

There were crime took placed from both sides but these number logically not possible. I am also from Bd and in my region there aren't any mass grave or mass rapes took place. I even know the fact that there were camps around our villages but no one died or raped. so I guess either Allah helped us or pak force spared us for some unexplained reason.

There were many west Pakistani and Bihari origin Urdu speaking Muslim civilian died and raped in the hand of "Joy bangla joy bongobondu" kind of mukti in the process too so while we at it let us also asked justices for our west Pakistani innocent civilian Muslim too. let us proved that justices should be equally serve to all or should we just forget about them?

A shameful act that should have been forgotten 30 years ago. A scar in our glorious past that not even worth to mention. May Allah put some mercy in our heart and let his blessing help us to heal the unwanted painful event. Ameen!!!!!!!!!

Well done brother AL-Zakir, You have given a very honest and logical reply to this guy “gromell”. I must confess that before reading some of the replies here posted by our Bengali brothers, I use to have a very different opinion about you guys from BD.
Also I have never heard a word of pity from any of these nationalist Bengalis about the rape and murder of Beharies and West Pakistanis were they not humans.
These guys, and I think most of them are Hindus planted here for a purpose as they were back in 1971,seems to be blinded in rage and confusing us rather then uniting us to start living again as Muslim Brothers side by side or even as a confederation if possible.
I do not wish to defend any Pakistani Soldier if he was involved in any shameful act during 1971, and on the same note I want all the Mukti fighters to be punished for killing anybody apart from the battle ground.


Thanks.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Actually, the Pilkhana massacre, I think, might have been carried by certain people to distract this war crime trial. If you see, just around a week or two before the Philkhana massacre, Pakistan's envoy, Mr Ispahani came to Bangladesh to indirectly make Bangladesh stop this trial. He left and then a week later we have this sad incident. Reminds one of Bhutto leaving on 25th of March morning and ...

Bangladeshis have already become sick and tired of not trying the war criminals for 38 years. We are now going to do that inshAllah. may Allah guide us in the proper path.

There were 5 Indian dignitaries that visited Bangladesh during the weeks prior to the massacre and there were many BD politicians in India over the last 2 years. The prime suspect remains India and the AL.

The majority of Bangladeshis are sick of hearing about war crimes. They want justice for Pilkhana and the Indian and AL conspirators must be found and hanged.

 

[Patriot]

Actually, the Pilkhana massacre, I think, might have been carried by certain people to distract this war crime trial. If you see, just around a week or two before the Philkhana massacre, Pakistan's envoy, Mr Ispahani came to Bangladesh to indirectly make Bangladesh stop this trial. He left and then a week later we have this sad incident. Reminds one of Bhutto leaving on 25th of March morning and ...

Bangladeshis have already become sick and tired of not trying the war criminals for 38 years. We are now going to do that inshAllah. may Allah guide us in the proper path.

Really?Is it Pakistan's fault that there are a lot of Bangali Traitors?If you believe the recent revolt was done by Pakistan then i would say your nation is full of sell outs (Indian Influence in BD is far more then Pakistan's Influence)

 

[Al-zakir]

Really?Is it Pakistan's fault that there are a lot of Bangali Traitors?If you believe the recent revolt was done by Pakistan then i would say your nation is full of sell outs (Indian Influence in BD is far more then Pakistan's Influence)

Sad but very true . He asked for it so he got it....

 

[gromell]

The world isn't black and white as you imagine and the reality of the then situation was more complicated and full of propaganda than you can comprehend. 80 some % villages in Bd didn't have road links during Pakistan. Most of villages were isolated from Dhaka and other main cities. Small boat were main source of communication. Pak solders mainly used vehicle rather than boat. They mainly roam around big cities that had road links as they weren't much familiar with East pakistan terrain. East pak border was left open because they weren't much solders available to safe gourd the enormous border area that we share with India. Indian solders knew more about east pak terrain and territory than West pak. It wasn't rocket science to counter fit Pak army uniform by Indian and Mujib bahini to killed and raped in the name of Pak force.

If pak army was demon, rapist and blood thirsty killer(your view) than, then I assume they still have the same character yet Bd army( I assume they are angle) work and cooperate very closely with Pakistani force than any other force that I know of. Not even with Indian force that actually helped us(your view) during separation. So try to think little harder and answer following questions before get over emotion.

What is our pressure to send our solders to Pakistan to train(free train program for Bd solder only) and Vice-versa ( we charged them to use our facility)?

Why accept military aid time to time from Pakistan evil army(your view)?

Who put a gun to Bd army to build joint ships and tank with Pakistani army?

Why buy most of the military equipment form a evil army?

Why have diplomatic relations with same evil Pakistan until this war criminal issue resolve?

Why accept donation and technical assistant from same evil Pakistan during crisis?

I think either we cut all diplomatic relations with Pakistan until this war criminal issue resolve or use the concept of forgive and forget approach and move toward future with greater cooperation. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

All your question are very naive and I am sure you know the answer very well. You are thinkning I am soem kind of Pakistani-hater, that's just so absolutely wrong

Why would we cut relation with Pakistan?!!:S All Pakistanis are responsible for war crimes of 71?? Germany is one fo the biggest contributor of military aide to Israel. There may be some serious doubt about number of jews killed in 2nd world war but not the fact that there was hatred of jews among Germans. Germany now almost gifts state of the art submarines to Israeli navy.

From 71-75, China, Saudi, USA did not recognize us, because of Pakistan's insistence. They were and are major donors to Pakistan and are major donor to Bangladesh right now. Pakistan's economy and Army depended on them heavily and still do. Bangladesh did not get this advantage in those 4 years. That would have been okay if Soviet economy did not start to fall and also price of jute in international market also fell in the 70s. India could not even support all its people in its own land properly, how could it support us?!! These were all the guns on our head that made us resume initial relation with Pakistan without any pledge of apology or compensation. But what is wrong in having relation with present day Pakistan?! I do not see any Pakistan army general right now who was a war criminal from 71! Why do you not want relation with Pakistan Army?:O and beside there is still a strong public sentiment against Pakistan. Hence you would not see Bangladesh Army spreading the news of Pakistani made imports in their arsenal, that are constantly coming nowadays. I am talking about the popular media and newspaper. We hear about Mig-29, Ulsan frigate coming, but not Al-Zarrar tanks or Bakhtiar Sikhan ATGMs. Beside the military buying and selling between us is still limited compared to what we can achieve. It's because any Government is not comfortable enough to face the public if they buy major military equipments from Pakstan. We could have gone for Jf-17 built in Kamra but the only two jets that Khaleda govt considered were Russian Su-27 and chinese built J-7 and finally bought some J-7! You think Air force and army did not know about Jf-17?? Then we may easily buy Al-Khalid MBT but I am not sure about the possibility, as we will probably rather go for Chinese built Type 96 or Ukranian T-84 Yatagan MBT! Pakistan and Bangladash are two completely separate sovereign countries that share cordial military relation because of strategic and geo-political reason! What is wrong with that???

 

[gromell]

Really?Is it Pakistan's fault that there are a lot of Bangali Traitors?If you believe the recent revolt was done by Pakistan then i would say your nation is full of sell outs (Indian Influence in BD is far more then Pakistan's Influence)

i just gave my view there when someone else was putting thei own radical views. no need to fume over my comments. They are assumptions and could be competely false. I personally hope they are false.

And saying, "there are a lot of Bengali Traitors?" was highly immature and unnecessary. One can argue, with much evidence, that who is bigger traitor?-few misguided renegade soldiers killing their superior or few "Muslims" blowing them up constantly in jumma prayer after everyone else in the house of Allah says the takbir tahrim????

 

[M_Saint]

Mod, please delete this post, thanks.

This is only going to affect people who live in Bangladesh so not sure why Pakistan would be effected by it and if you think you can extract any person from Pakistan well then you live in your own little world.

You don't understand the far reaching impact of the so-called war criminal's trial. Being the so-called secularist Zardari in power and having the ride of WOT, time couldn't be more ripe than now for RAW/Indian's dalal to prosecute JI leaders, who happened to build successful bank, hospitals, educational institutions in BD. Remember, how Awamy Leaguers invaded Bihari/West Pakistanis home/industry after they were killed, driven out. The similar scheme against Jamaaties is offing. They are the honest, the most loving, giving and forgiving human beings and ALers know it well. But being criminals and constructive-brainless, they always want to possess wealth easily, i.e. by stealing from others.

 

[M_Saint]

This is only going to affect people who live in Bangladesh so not sure why Pakistan would be effected by it and if you think you can extract any person from Pakistan well then you live in your own little world.

You don't understand the far reaching impact of the so-called war criminal's trial. Seeing PAK in abyss during so-called secularist in power and having the ride of WOT, time couldn't be more ripe than now for RAW/Indian's dalal to prosecute JI leaders, who has happened to built successful banks, hospitals, educational institutions by staying out of riba based system in BD. Remember, how Awamy Leaguers invaded Bihari/West Pakistanis home/industry after they were killed, driven out. The similar scheme against Jamaaties is offing. They are the most honest, loving, giving, forgiving human beings and ALers know it very well but naturally these types of people fear Allah to scheme, connive and conspire for materialistic gain. OTH, Awamy Leaguers being criminals and constructive-brainless, always want to possess wealth easily, i.e. by stealing/snatching from others.

 

[Patriot]

And saying, "there are a lot of Bengali Traitors?" was highly immature and unnecessary.

and I appologize for that.I was just saying attack of this scale cannot be possible from Pakistan side considering the fact that most Bangladeshis still hate Pakistan.

 

[gromell]

and I appologize for that.I was just saying attack of this scale cannot be possible from Pakistan side considering the fact that most Bangladeshis still hate Pakistan.

I understand brother. There are good and bad people on every side. I also apologize if I have stated something similar in response. Bangladeshis don't hate anybody except the very culprits who committed atrocities in 71, whether they are Bangladeshi, or pakistani or anybody else. No hard feelings there.

 

[gromell]

Mod, please delete this post, thanks.


You don't understand the far reaching impact of the so-called war criminal's trial. Being the so-called secularist Zardari in power and having the ride of WOT, time couldn't be more ripe than now for RAW/Indian's dalal to prosecute JI leaders, who happened to build successful bank, hospitals, educational institutions in BD. Remember, how Awamy Leaguers invaded Bihari/West Pakistanis home/industry after they were killed, driven out. The similar scheme against Jamaaties is offing. They are the honest, the most loving, giving and forgiving human beings and ALers know it well. But being criminals and constructive-brainless, they always want to possess wealth easily, i.e. by stealing from others.

Jamatis are honest, most loving??? When I was a school kid in Bangladesh, I remember Bangladesh chatro Shibir guys coming to my class, clean shaven, and giving us leaflets of jamaat e islami and pursuing us to join them. Few did join. and one as i heard later was left with a cut posterior tibial region, the back of his ankle, by the very own recruiters, for he wanted to leave shibir after few days. That is surely the best example of "honest, loving, giving and forgiving human beings"

 

[gromell]

Indian solders knew more about east pak terrain and territory than West pak. It wasn't rocket science to counter fit Pak army uniform by Indian and Mujib bahini to killed and raped in the name of Pak force.

There were hardly any rape camp or rape incident near the border. This incidents happened mainly in Dhaka, near Dhaka, near and inside cantonments. Have you ever heard of Mohammadpur Pakistani military camp where so many young Muslim and hindu girls were kept for 9 months?? Mohammadpur was a Bihari area and the army camp was of Pakistani Army. I dont see how Mukti Bahini or Indian Army penetrating inside Dhaka in the beginning of the war and establishing the notorious pakistan army harem there! I know an army officer in bangladesh Army. One of his distant grandparents had three daughters. They all were teenagers. These three sisters thus were distant aunts of the BD officer I know of. The Pakistan Army built a camp near their house in the town and the pakistani officer, in this case someone of Major rank came to the house citing searching mukti bahini and ordered his soldiers to take all three girls to the camp. The mother tried everything to let her daughters go and seeing no chance, she told the officer only take the older one and let the younger two go. The animal agreed and he started regularly visiting the house at night and violated the pure body of the unmarried Muslim girl. This continued happening until the liberation.

I am just sick of talking about this rape issue to people like you and Munshi who are defending these activities of Pakistan Army from 71. you should be ashamed and scared for the punishment that is due in afterlife for denying a crime that happened against your muslim sisters by the hands of pakistan army and its collaborators.

 

[dabong1]

There were hardly any rape camp or rape incident near the border. This incidents happened mainly in Dhaka, near Dhaka, near and inside cantonments. Have you ever heard of Mohammadpur Pakistani military camp where so many young Muslim and hindu girls were kept for 9 months?? Mohammadpur was a Bihari area and the army camp was of Pakistani Army. I dont see how Mukti Bahini or Indian Army penetrating inside Dhaka in the beginning of the war and establishing the notorious pakistan army harem there! I know an army officer in bangladesh Army. One of his distant grandparents had three daughters. They all were teenagers. These three sisters thus were distant aunts of the BD officer I know of. The Pakistan Army built a camp near their house in the town and the pakistani officer, in this case someone of Major rank came to the house citing searching mukti bahini and ordered his soldiers to take all three girls to the camp. The mother tried everything to let her daughters go and seeing no chance, she told the officer only take the older one and let the younger two go. The animal agreed and he started regularly visiting the house at night and violated the pure body of the unmarried Muslim girl. This continued happening until the liberation.

I am just sick of talking regarding this rape issue to people like you and Munshi who are defending these activities of Pakistan Army from 71. you should be ashamed and scared for the punishment that is due in afterlife for denying a crime that happened against your muslim sisters by pakistan army and its collaborators.

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose published a paper suggesting that the casualties and rape allegations in the war have been greatly exaggerated for political purposes.
No doubt rape took place but not the numbers that have ended up as a fact......how many pakistani woman where raped during and after the war?

It was a fact that 3 million where killed but now it seems that it was 300'000still very bad but not on the scale of genocide.

"Ambassador Shamsher M. Chowdhury said that Bangladesh alone cannot correct this mistake and suggested Pakistan and Bangladesh should form a joint commission to investigate the 1971 disaster and prepare a report."

I agree.....thats would have been the best the way to go about things and if a inquiry is needed let it be both sides that commited crimes be bought to the dock.

 

[TopCat]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir
Indian solders knew more about east pak terrain and territory than West pak. It wasn't rocket science to counter fit Pak army uniform by Indian and Mujib bahini to killed and raped in the name of Pak force.

Huh at least you agreed here that there were killing and raping. But those were done with the disguise of PK army uniform by the Indians and Muktis. Thats real insightfull.

 

[TopCat]

"Ambassador Shamsher M. Chowdhury said that Bangladesh alone cannot correct this mistake and suggested Pakistan and Bangladesh should form a joint commission to investigate the 1971 disaster and prepare a report."

I agree.....thats would have been the best the way to go about things and if a inquiry is needed let it be both sides that commited crimes be bought to the dock.

Thats Samsher m. Choudury a BD ambassador. Its not PK ambassador so that we could count on that. PK envoy said in Dhaka last month that Its not the time for tiral.
Thanks