BD-Burma Relations

[M_Saint]

Burmese air force have all the fighters in their inventory that we have.Including Mig-29s.

Burmese army size is way more than Bangladesh army.Almost 300000 more.

Only in naval power we have a slight advantage with the Korean built Frigate and recent upgrades.

We also have another edge at better training.But look at Burmese defence expenditure.Its more than 5 billion and whereas we spend just around 1 billion.

Moreover,as I am mentioning over and over again,the Burmese are rapidly improving the infrastructure and deploying their troops on the bordering state.They are even planning for an air base.

Meanwhile what we are doing on that front?

Nothing.

 

[M_Saint]

Burmese air force have all the fighters in their inventory that we have.Including Mig-29s.

Burmese army size is way more than Bangladesh army.Almost 300000 more.

Only in naval power we have a slight advantage with the Korean built Frigate and recent upgrades.

We also have another edge at better training.But look at Burmese defence expenditure.Its more than 5 billion and whereas we spend just around 1 billion.

Moreover,as I am mentioning over and over again,the Burmese are rapidly improving the infrastructure and deploying their troops on the bordering state.They are even planning for an air base.

Meanwhile what we are doing on that front?

Nothing.

Since you are glorifying BD MIL'S training, its NAVAL strength and it seems you know a lot about military matters then why don't you advice Hasina Bibi and her newly appointed COAS to pick a fight with Burmese? I bait my head that you wouldn't succeed. Because hunting unarmed right wingers could be done by intellectual nerds but fighting war requires completely different mould of mindsets that those conniving cowards wouldn't ever have. Standing like statue and letting Rawamy bastards to kill innocents by Lathi-baitha in broad day-light in one thing and facing equally or more armed opponents is another. Pashtun, Gurkha and Panjabi etc genes carry that, not shinny cowards that had given up to BDRs without minimal resistance that any man with common sense would apply. Man! These 4 footy peps quakes in BD's barracks promote themselves as brigadier General, Lt. General that replicate Vanu's Chutki about sophisticated disease like spondalysis, arthritis etc. but run away from country during limas test. And we expect them to fight war for us?

 

[leonblack08]

Since you are glorifying BD MIL'S training, its NAVAL strength and it seems you know a lot about military matters then why don't you advice Hasina Bibi and her newly appointed COAS to pick a fight with Burmese? I bait my head that you wouldn't succeed. Because hunting unarmed right wingers could be done by intellectual nerds but fighting war requires completely different mould of mindsets that those conniving cowards wouldn't ever have. Standing like statue and letting Rawamy bastards to kill innocents by Lathi-baitha in broad day-light in one thing and facing equally or more armed opponents is another. Pashtun, Gurkha and Panjabi etc genes carry that, not shinny cowards that had given up to BDRs without minimal resistance that any man with common sense would apply. Man! These 4 footy peps quakes in BD's barracks promote themselves as brigadier General, Lt. General that replicate Vanu's Chutki about sophisticated disease like spondalysis, arthritis etc. but run away from country during limas test. And we expect them to fight war for us?

If you read the thread properly you will find that our Military is in back foot when compared to Burma.That's what is my main concern.

Yes I know about the training because I have relatives in our armed forces.And let me tell you,only because some Generals are corrupt,does not mean entire army is corrupt.There are patriots in the army and I expect them to fight for us.
Having edge in training,does not mean we have total advantage over them.They have greater number of equipment.And are capable of using them.That's where is my main concern.That's why I am crying for increasing our military strength.

Try to understand the thread and then answer.Don't just start jumping up and down reading one or two posts.Don't quote out of context like "anti-Islam" hate preachers quote Quran out of context,to feed their own believes.

 

[leonblack08]

What international fora can the BD govt look to in case of an aggression from Myanmar? I know India is looking at the oil and stuff from there so India is already in sticky waters.. it wont be able to do much..

Can Pak help? How do you think it will be possible logitically??

My suggestion : Keep US in loop on the happenings there. Get credible intelligence of Myanmar's aggressive plans (if any) much before and expose it.. it will give a reason for US and other international players who have been supporting Suu ki to bay for the generals' ouster.

Pakistan cannot help physically but can and I believe will help in the form of supplying ammunition on quick notice,just like they helped Sri Lanka.

India is totally unpredictable here.IMHO they can not be trusted.As you said before they are already in sticky waters.

We will certainly get help from West.USA will probably want that there is a war between Burma and BD.That will enable it to interfere and set up a permanent Military base in St.Martins Island in Bangladesh.They tried to do it before but could not because of Indian and Chinese pressure.

This military base will be very much important for US.They will be able to keep an eye on China round the clock.Plus,if Burma is defeated,then China might lose supply of gas and oil from them.So US encircling of China will be complete.

The Bay of Bengal is expected to have large reserves of oil,which speaks for itself.

Richard Boucher,US assistant sec. for South Asia,has already offered Bangladesh for join patrol of Bangladeshi waters.Now this already sparked some doubts in our minds,whether to go for it or not.
Having US means,no one will dare to attack us.But when you have a friend like US,you really don't need an enemy.Please don't mind.But I think you are used to this.

 

[idune]

Those who dream to be uncle tool for encircling China and provide base to foreign country as their strategy for Myanmar further prove the point
that they live in juvenile fantasy land.

Not to mention defeatist and submissive mentality with zero self respect for the country and people. Even india (think to be facing China) being uncle strategic partner will not allow US base in its soil.

 

[Jako]

Those who dream to be uncle tool for encircling China and provide base to foreign country as their strategy for Myanmar further prove the point
that they live in juvenile fantasy land.

Not to mention defeatist and submissive mentality with zero self respect for the country and people. Even india (think to be facing China) being uncle strategic partner will not allow US base in its soil.

so what do you think bd army should do in case of any war like situation with burma?.......reading the thread,it feels like burma has greater military might than bd,and spends much more on defence.......so,what to do in case of war???

 

[leonblack08]

Those who dream to be uncle tool for encircling China and provide base to foreign country as their strategy for Myanmar further prove the point
that they live in juvenile fantasy land.

Not to mention defeatist and submissive mentality with zero self respect for the country and people. Even india (think to be facing China) being uncle strategic partner will not allow US base in its soil.

I don't need to give any explanation to those who doesn't even understand a post written in plain English.
So its best to ignore such people.

 

[leonblack08]

so what do you think bd army should do in case of any war like situation with burma?.......reading the thread,it feels like burma has greater military might than bd,and spends much more on defence.......so,what to do in case of war???

Jako,

I replied to an US member about the possibility of US help and reason behind it.The main reason is of course they would love to set up base in BD to counter China.
That does not mean I am advocating for US base,as propagated by a member here.He deliberately distorted my words to attack me.So just ignore such post.

About your question,the only solution is for BD to have a strong military.So Defence expenditure should be improved to match our capabilities with Burma.

 

[khabib]

Khabib ,

I'm tabulating the points for clarity.

1. Are we sure here that people killed are what BDR claims them to be. I will expect both BDR/BSF to push their own agenda, hence a neutral reporting here will help.

2. I did not have time to Google and send you the links to see how many people has BDR killed from indian side's. Check it out your self. This is a long story here and believe me this has got nothing to do with border patrol.

3. Keep such flashes away from friendly relationship. For one, some previous government of BD actively supported Anti Indian terror camps. And to top it, both BDR/BSF are corrupt to toe. Both are involved in smuggling to some extent.

Do you think if INDIA so desires, as a state policy, to seed trouble in BD, will resort to such childish ploys to achieve them. We have issues with LTTE and Pakistan. Just read about how we are dealing with it.

Like it or not, BDR is no Angel. And what you see on this border is worst example of greed

Here is a old post (just so you know that this is a old issue)
BDR tortures, kills BSF officer - India - The Times of India

Here is other link for you to digest - BDR is no Angel. Dont belive everything that one's media dishes out.

Another BSF jawan killed by BDR

No body is claiming that BDR is angel and that is not the point of argument. If BDR troops are killed by BSF and vice versa that is with
a gun fight and I am more than willing to except that as a norm in the border area. But poor farmer just because he is going to the border area of his rice field got shot by BSF as BSF suspect he is a cattle traders is NOT exceptable in any way. Period.

Quite a few BDR jawan also got shot by BSF and I am not complaining for that. This is the civilian who are killed every other day that I am complaining about.

To my knowledge this order does come from the top gvt. position of india and this is the part of the indian neighbor policy toward BD.

Just denying this will not solve the issue. As being a bangladeshi, If we claim that illegal migrant does not take place from bangladesh to india is denying the truth.

 

[khabib]

If you read the thread properly you will find that our Military is in back foot when compared to Burma.That's what is my main concern.

Yes I know about the training because I have relatives in our armed forces.And let me tell you,only because some Generals are corrupt,does not mean entire army is corrupt.There are patriots in the army and I expect them to fight for us.
Having edge in training,does not mean we have total advantage over them.They have greater number of equipment.And are capable of using them.That's where is my main concern.That's why I am crying for increasing our military strength.

Try to understand the thread and then answer.Don't just start jumping up and down reading one or two posts.Don't quote out of context like "anti-Islam" hate preachers quote Quran out of context,to feed their own believes.

I agree with you. Training wise and logistic wise our army is still better professional than the Myanmar. But they are picking up fast.
And also there budget is much higher than us.

 

[M_Saint]

If you read the thread properly you will find that our Military is in back foot when compared to Burma.That's what is my main concern.

Yes I know about the training because I have relatives in our armed forces.And let me tell you,only because some Generals are corrupt,does not mean entire army is corrupt.There are patriots in the army and I expect them to fight for us.
Having edge in training,does not mean we have total advantage over them.They have greater number of equipment.And are capable of using them.That's where is my main concern.That's why I am crying for increasing our military strength.

Try to understand the thread and then answer.Don't just start jumping up and down reading one or two posts.Don't quote out of context like "anti-Islam" hate preachers quote Quran out of context,to feed their own believes.

Listen Up,

I have understood your motive very well of opening a thread like this and wanted to give you a lesson of the meaning of 'OURS'. It's not BD MIL to me at the moment since OURS doesn't contain by territorial or imaginary boundary to a momin but by like-mindedness, having similar feelings etc. Just because you either don't understand or indoctrinated, I don't have to eat your-supplied pills. Burma is no threat to us and opening a thread like this is only an effort to distract people from real issues. Rawamy Leaguers could be scared by Burmese military might because 'Chorer Man is always Polish Polish' but why should you? Now let me tell you about my reach in cantonments, I had grown up inside in Dhaka and Maynamoti Cants, hung out often in CTG Navy officer's quarters in Love-lane and Patenga Zahurul Air-base, Lately enlightened army officer even inside the UN about the non-existence of real UN, when he showed me the picture Spanish Gwarnica near at security council bhaban. So who are you trying to teach here?

BTW-Don't ask me for participating in kiddish debate because time is scarce, especially in the world where I live.

 

[leonblack08]

Listen Up,

I have understood your motive very well of opening a thread like this and wanted to give you a lesson of the meaning of 'OURS'. It's not BD MIL to me at the moment since OURS doesn't contain by territorial or imaginary boundary to a momin but by like-mindedness, having similar feelings etc. Just because you either don't understand or indoctrinated, I don't have to eat your-supplied pills. Burma is no threat to us and opening a thread like this is only an effort to distract people from real issues. Rawamy Leaguers could be scared by Burmese military might because 'Chorer Man is always Polish Polish' but why should you? Now let me tell you about my reach in cantonments, I had grown up inside in Dhaka and Maynamoti Cants, hung out often in CTG Navy officer's quarters in Love-lane and Patenga Zahurul Air-base, Lately enlightened army officer even inside the UN about the non-existence of real UN, when he showed me the picture Spanish Gwarnica near at security council bhaban. So who are you trying to teach here?

BTW-Don't ask me for participating in kiddish debate because time is scarce, especially in the world where I live.

Yes I am very scared by your military reach.Furthermore,you again proved that you did not go through the thread.
I don't want to lose my cool by dealing with you and Idune.One cannot argue with ignorants.I don't want to waste my time doing that because time is scarce, especially in the world where I live.

 

[M_Saint]

Yes I am very scared by your military reach.Furthermore,you again proved that you did not go through the thread.
I don't want to lose my cool by dealing with you and Idune.One cannot argue with ignorants.I don't want to waste my time doing that because time is scarce, especially in the world where I live.

Kiddo L-RAW-ION,

It's not my job to show someone like you, where head examiners reside in BD and I don't have time to hunt uncircumcised smelly mileaus like PAK army is doing currently(Indians Fighting In Swat - PakNationalists | Google Groups). But if you provoke me to the bitter end then no amount of key-board-chanakyaism would save you from my onslaught.

 

[leonblack08]

Kiddo L-RAW-ION,

It's not my job to show someone like you, where head examiners reside in BD and I don't have time to hunt uncircumcised smelly mileaus like PAK army is doing currently(Indians Fighting In Swat - PakNationalists | Google Groups). But if you provoke me to the bitter end then no amount of key-board-chanakyaism would save you from my onslaught.

Heya Old man listen up,

No one is forcing you to read the thread.You don't like it,then don't read it.

And I am least bit bothered by your onslaught which is going to come in the form of ranting and useless blabbering,words which only you understand.

You can think me as RAW,CIA,MOSSAD or whatever,but that does not bother me.Because your thinking hardly bothers me,actually who even cares what you think.I know for a fact that you are one of those Mollah type of people who actually doesn't know Islam properly but claims that they know everything.

BTW if you try to bring "chanakya theory" or other stuffs here,you will be violating forum rules and I am sure MODS will take care of it.


Myanmar is also a threat to our security as India is.Mind looking at the recent supply of arms that India supplied to Myanmar?Go back a few page and you will find it.

BTW,living in cantonment,does not mean you know all the military matters unless you are a military professional,which you are not.I know a general's son who only knows "Girls,money and party".

You are so blind by hatred that you suspect anything that is different from your point of view,doesn't matter even if it is right.I pity you "Old man".

 

[leonblack08]

I agree with you. Training wise and logistic wise our army is still better professional than the Myanmar. But they are picking up fast.
And also there budget is much higher than us.

Yes brother,training and maintenance wise we are having slight edge as we have access to western military training,which is of course superior and that's the reason Pakistan armed forces are so professional,as they have the Western access.
But Burma lacks this as there are embargoes imposed on them.

About maintenance,according to news reports,Burmese are having problems with maintaining their Migs.Also other equipments in their inventory.But they are learning fast and are taking initiatives.The worrying fact is that they spend way too much on defence.Plus they are strengthening the Bangladesh border front.

We have an edge over their navy,because of our Ulsan class frigate and the fact that our 4 frigates are "younger" than Burmese frigates.Plus,Burmese Navy suffered significant loss during Cyclone Nargis.And traditionally the Burmese seems to spend more on army and air force than navy,because of its counter-insurgency operations.But they have a bigger budget and can soon turn the tide.

At this moment our military is not even capable of taking on Myanmar.So it makes us look like fools when we talk of countering India.We need to strengthen our military as soon as possible.