BBC story on 'Pakistan's secret human rights abuses' a pack of lies: ISPR

[xyx007]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486313/b...ecret-human-rights-abuses-a-pack-of-lies-ispr

after this news it is more clear that PTM is working on western agenda. and western media also supporting their utter lie & deception. Intriguingly, we never heard of PTM talking against US, NDS, RAW or Mossad.complexity in the deceptive movements would support such a claim back by western media lie.

 

[Numerous]

Alright this is going to be unpopular but whatever.

Is accusing the army of a crime really just being on a western agenda? I remember when I was a bit younger, Imran Khan used to say things "we'll go to the balochis and beg them for forgiveness..." on TV and one time I remember they brought on a baloch grandfather and his grandson and the grandfather pretty much make the accusation that his son was most likely murdered by the army (his son wasn't a fighter). These things weren't western propaganda.

Why is it so hard for pakistanis to believe that whilst the majority of the army is fine, sometimes bad things may be done. I read that BBC article, one of the cases mentioned that a house was bombed because they thought a TTP leader lived there but in reality it was just some innocent family and then was a big issue raised about missing persons. This missing persons thing happens all over Pakistan, so why it would be lies when it comes to the tribal regions?

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly? If someone's house has been bombed, even by accident, then we as Pakistanis need to care and compensate these people. If simply ignore everything and treat it as a western propaganda then this cycle of war is probably not going to end any time soon. PTM is alive because we ignore these things, those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Let the west go to hell, who cares about them. But these accusations and allegations of abuse seem to originate from actual pakistanis who live in those areas. I have trouble believing that this all just part of a western agenda or propaganda. Yes the west may have it's own goal in reporting these issues but it doesn't mean that it's all fake news.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Alright this is going to be unpopular but whatever.

Is accusing the army of a crime really just being on a western agenda? I remember when I was a bit younger, Imran Khan used to say things "we'll go to the balochis and beg them for forgiveness..." on TV and one time I remember they brought on a baloch grandfather and his grandson and the grandfather pretty much make the accusation that his son was most likely murderer by the army (his son wasn't a fighter). These things weren't western propaganda.

Why is it so hard for pakistanis to believe that whilst the majority of the army is fine, sometimes bad things may be done. I read that BBC article, one of the cases mentioned that a house was bombed because they thought a TTP leader lived there but in reality it was just some innocent family and then was a big issue raised about missing persons. This missing persons thing happens all over Pakistan, so why it would be lies when it comes to the tribal regions?

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly? If someone's house has been bombed, even by accident, then we as Pakistanis need to care and compensate these people. If simply ignore everything and treat it as a western propaganda then this cycle of war is probably not going to end any time soon. PTM is alive because we ignore these things, those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Let the west go to hell, who cares about them. But these accusations and allegations of abuse seem to originate from actual pakistanis who live in those areas. I have trouble believing that this all just part of a western agenda or propaganda. Yes the west may have it's own goal in reporting these issues but it doesn't mean that it's all fake news.

Sorry but your opinion is nonsense and based on conjecture just like the article. M Ilyas Khan is a paid shill. He has absolute and eternal form in maligning any state initiative in Pak or any military manoeuvre in the slightest. He also maligns any defensive posture against India and fails to acknowledge cause and effect whenever he sees an opportunity to criticise the state or military, regardless of context. His most recent article proudly declared that "Pakistan's decision to ban Indian movies will backfire" in the post Balakot tension. What a bizarre position to adopt, given that India FIRST banned our artists and we simply responded to that. His only objective is to attack Pakistani decisions, reputation and interests, even when CLEARLY India began a given sequence of tit for tats. If you bother to follow the audit trail, the authors name etc, you will soon realise who these hacks are in western media and you can easily predict the author's name the second you read the headline.

M Ilyas Khan WANTS Pak to fail, probably because such journalism will attract the highest salary out here in the west. So treat his words with caution. I'm not denying that civilians may have been inadvertently hit by Pak military. I'm not so idiotic, but this guy's motives are heavily biased.

 

[VCheng]

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly?

Better, yes, but it is far easier to just label any such person a traitor. You are probably not too far from a similar label being applied in the environment prevailing here. Some things are best left unsaid on PDF, just a word to the wise.

 

[Numerous]

Sorry but your opinion is nonsense and based on conjecture just like the article. M Ilyas Khan is a paid shill. He has absolute and eternal form in maligning any state initiative in Pak or any military manoeuvre in the slightest. He also maligns any defensive posture against India and fails to acknowledge cause and effect whenever he sees an opportunity to criticise the state or military, regardless of context. His most recent article proudly declared that "Pakistan's decision to ban Indian movies will backfire" in the post Balakot tension. What a bizarre position to adopt, given that India FIRST banned our artists and we simply responded to that. His only objective is to attack Pakistani decisions, reputation and interests, even when CLEARLY India began a given sequence of tit for tats. If you bother to follow the audit trail, the authors name etc, you will soon realise who these hacks are in western media and you can easily predict the author's name the second you read the headline.

M Ilyas Khan WANTS Pak to fail, probably because such journalism will attract the highest salary out here in the west. So treat his words with caution. I'm not denying that civilians may have been inadvertently hit by Pak military. I'm not so idiotic, but this guy's motives are heavily biased.

I don't think what I said is nonsense. Is there anything wrong with investigating ourselves? If wrong has been done, then we can correct it and if wrong hasn't been done then our investigation won't have done any harm.

Let the journalist have his motives. That shouldn't prevent us from being a just nation.

 

[maverick1977]

Alright this is going to be unpopular but whatever.

Is accusing the army of a crime really just being on a western agenda? I remember when I was a bit younger, Imran Khan used to say things "we'll go to the balochis and beg them for forgiveness..." on TV and one time I remember they brought on a baloch grandfather and his grandson and the grandfather pretty much make the accusation that his son was most likely murderer by the army (his son wasn't a fighter). These things weren't western propaganda.

Why is it so hard for pakistanis to believe that whilst the majority of the army is fine, sometimes bad things may be done. I read that BBC article, one of the cases mentioned that a house was bombed because they thought a TTP leader lived there but in reality it was just some innocent family and then was a big issue raised about missing persons. This missing persons thing happens all over Pakistan, so why it would be lies when it comes to the tribal regions?

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly? If someone's house has been bombed, even by accident, then we as Pakistanis need to care and compensate these people. If simply ignore everything and treat it as a western propaganda then this cycle of war is probably not going to end any time soon. PTM is alive because we ignore these things, those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Let the west go to hell, who cares about them. But these accusations and allegations of abuse seem to originate from actual pakistanis who live in those areas. I have trouble believing that this all just part of a western agenda or propaganda. Yes the west may have it's own goal in reporting these issues but it doesn't mean that it's all fake news.

sorry to hear about your ignorance

 

[xyx007]

Alright this is going to be unpopular but whatever.

Is accusing the army of a crime really just being on a western agenda? I remember when I was a bit younger, Imran Khan used to say things "we'll go to the balochis and beg them for forgiveness..." on TV and one time I remember they brought on a baloch grandfather and his grandson and the grandfather pretty much make the accusation that his son was most likely murderer by the army (his son wasn't a fighter). These things weren't western propaganda.

Why is it so hard for Pakistanis to believe that whilst the majority of the army is fine, sometimes bad things may be done. I read that BBC article, one of the cases mentioned that a house was bombed because they thought a TTP leader lived there but in reality it was just some innocent family and then was a big issue raised about missing persons. This missing persons thing happens all over Pakistan, so why it would be lies when it comes to the tribal regions?

Wouldn't it be better to actually investigate these things properly? If someone's house has been bombed, even by accident, then we as Pakistanis need to care and compensate these people. If simply ignore everything and treat it as a western propaganda then this cycle of war is probably not going to end any time soon. PTM is alive because we ignore these things, those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Let the west go to hell, who cares about them. But these accusations and allegations of abuse seem to originate from actual pakistanis who live in those areas. I have trouble believing that this all just part of a western agenda or propaganda. Yes the west may have it's own goal in reporting these issues but it doesn't mean that it's all fake news.

our enemy clearly understands that Core of Pak Army power resides inside of the Pakistani nation. if they need to break that bond between Pak Army and Pakistani nation, they already created so many traitor elements (PTM, MQM, BLA, Tariq Fateh ) to support enemy agenda. but they are forgetting that our bond(Pakistan) is not base on tribes (Punjabi,Sindhi, Balochi,Sindhi , Pashooton ), we all connected with one ideology which is la illah illa allah.
Pakistan Zinabad, Pak Army Zindabad becuse I love la illah illa allah association with country and its army.

 

[litman]

pak military.....the zionists' greatest enemy in the region and the zionists are using all means to defeat it and inshaAllah they and their stooges (pml n, ppp, mullah diesel, achakzae, anp, ptm, mqm, ttp, bla) will not succeed. but we have to admit that's a long list of traitors and namak harams.

 

[SIPRA]

Under the current circumstances, when Pakistan is facing a very dangerous hybrid war, instituted jointly by US and India, it is not proper to criticize and target the Pakistan army. We have no choice, but to stand with our army; otherwise consequences may be unbearably disastrous.

 

[Verve]

BBC will be exiting Pakistan in a very near future if an apology and withdrawal doesn't come for fake propaganda.

All ban on BBC news on the Pakistani media and web must be enforced.

VOA is already out, next BBC.

 

[Numerous]

our enemy clearly understands that Core of Pak Army power resides inside of the Pakistani nation. if they need to break that bond between Pak Army and Pakistani nation, they already created so many traitor elements (PTM, MQM, BLA, Tariq Fateh ) to support enemy agenda. but they are forgetting that our bond(Pakistan) is not base on tribes (Punjabi,Sindhi, Balochi,Sindhi , Pashooton ), we all connected with one ideology which is la illah illa allah.
Pakistan Zinabad, Pak Army Zindabad becuse I love la illah illa allah association with country and its army.

I don't think we're as united as you're making it out be. Many people are very tribal and some hold irrational grudges against the other (someone on here even called karachi people "indians"). Pakistan has a history of separatist groups or groups from one area going to war against the central government. These problems will probably continue to happen as long as we carry on mistreating parts of society.

In my opinions Pakistanis create the fire (of problems) themselves and outsiders simply fan the flames. We need to investigate things like this properly.

sorry to hear about your ignorance

A couple days ago the military sentenced some high ranking officer to death and others to imprisonment for wrong doing (spying). If someone in the military can betray their own nation, then why is it hard for you to believe a certain minority of individuals may be involved in wrong doing on the ground in the tribal regions?

Why am I the ignorant one for saying "let's investigate it properly"?

Better, yes, but it is far easier to just label any such person a traitor. You are probably not too far from a similar label being applied in the environment prevailing here. Some things are best left unsaid on PDF, just a word to the wise.

Doesn't really care what people call me, it's only a forum.

 

[Verve]

why is it hard for you to believe a certain minority of individuals may be involved in wrong doing on the ground in the tribal regions?

And why is it so easy for you to believe someone claiming that army killed their relatives?

We have policemen robbing people, and terrorists wearing army uniforms killing civilians. We have seen fake videos of terrorists wearing fake PA clothing killing people. Yet you believe a story without any verification and posting about it as some sort of gospel.

 

[mudas777]

War with out causalities is not possible. Collateral damage springs to the mind and mistakes and accidents do happen and one have to look at the bigger picture. When TTP killed our 70 000 innocent people BBC forgot ours near and dears humans rights and value of life. Army have brought down the terrorist attacks to virtually handful and we are enjoying some resemblance of peace. So please carry on the good work and hopefully mistakes can be minimised for the future operations. Our nation craves for peace and prosperity so if that's the price for the peace then so be it. Before western countries point fingers at us look at their forces conduct of war in recent operations.

 

[Verve]

those balochi separatists are still in action after 60 years because we ignore these things.

Really, 60 years? Evidence?

Baloch insurgency sponsorship by USSR and India was the start of it.

Go ask Najam Sethi ...

 

[Crusher]

This pos BBC has been doing propaganda against pakistan for decades now, I remember even in 1997 they used to telecast always negative documentaries about pakistani society. And the worst thing was I watched it on the channel STN in Pakistan those days which used to telecast both CNN and BBC on daily basis.