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Battle against terrorism in Fata is lost, US Congress told

Ref:Battle against terrorism in Fata is lost, US Congress told -DAWN - Top Stories; October 11, 2007

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, Oct 10: The US pressure on President Pervez Musharraf to do more in the war against terror has been counter-productive and the battle against extremists in the tribal areas has been lost, a key congressional panel was told on Wednesday.

Witnesses appearing before the House Armed Services Committee also noted that the United States has been publicly involved in arranging a power-sharing deal in Pakistan, which may hurt its image if the arrangement fails.

“I’m concerned that our policy toward Pakistan has not been as comprehensive as it should be,” said the committee’s chairman, Congressman Ike Skelton. “We may be unprepared to handle the repercussions if events in Pakistan continue to move as rapidly as they have in recent years.”

The powerful committee, which oversees US military policies, invited a host of witnesses to speak on “security challenges involving Pakistan and policy implications for the US Department of Defence.”

“We’ve put additional pressure on President Musharraf,” Dr Marvin Weinbaum of Washington’s Middle East institute told the committee. “Let me suggest, however, that increasingly this pressure has been counter-productive.”

He said that the actions President Musharraf took under pressure had not only fallen short “but have had the double-barrelled effect of intensifying opposition within the frontier region and also eroding his political support in the country.”Mr Weinbaum, a veteran South Asian scholar who has authored several books on Pakistan, warned: “Most of us who look at Pakistan believe at this point in time (believe) that Pakistan has in the northwest frontier area lost the battle against extremism and terrorism.

“And the consequences … are quite considerable for the United States, for our success in dealing with the insurgency in Afghanistan, stabilizing that country, and of course uprooting the Al Qaeda network and the spread of Islamic extremism in Pakistan,” he said.

“And … the consequences … for Pakistan, its stability, its integrity are really tied up with what happens in that tribal region.”Congressman Duncan Hunter, the ranking Republican member of the committee, however, noted that Pakistan is committed to the war against terror, has deployed nearly 100,000 troops in the tribal belt, some of them coming off the Indian border, and hundreds of Pakistani troops also have died while fighting the terrorists.

But “there’s been information that I’ve seen to the effect that most of that corps resides in garrison and is not undertaking what one might call aggressive operations,” he added.

Teresita Schaffer, a former US ambassador and now director of the South Asia programme at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told the committee that in the past six months, President Musharraf has been seriously weakened.

And “the major non-religious political figures, in my view, have been diminished; and the US has been publicly involved in the deal-making leading to Pakistan’s next government,” she observed.

“I expect that Musharraf’s election last weekend will eventually be confirmed by the Supreme Court and that legislative elections will be held in January,” she added.

Ambassador Schaffer warned that the government that follows these elections is likely to be an uneasy one. “Musharraf will be one power centre. He believes in unity of command … and is not particularly interested in power-sharing. Both his political party and perhaps the army will be strongly tempted to manipulate the elections to minimise Ms Bhutto’s claim on power,” she said.

“If Bhutto does participate in government, she will strongly defend her turf. And assuming that Musharraf retires from the army, that institution will be under new leadership and will be a distinct power centre, no matter how careful Musharraf has been to promote officers loyal to himself,” she said.:tsk::pdf:
 
Only one way to fix it that is to get out of the US damn influence, it has neither itself succeded and nor will let us. Most of our problems are because we are actually fighting their war on terror, which by the way they dont seem to notice when terrorist activities in pakistan happen with the help of foreign hands. No matter how bad the tailbans were but atleast during their rule in afghanistan, pakistan wasnt worried about india's influence in afghanistan and her proxywar against us. We were posing all our concentration with india. Now see where we stand? Actually nowhere. We have indeed endangered our nothernboader in this damn war.
 
I have to agree with OOE - in the long run we need to stay until the militants are rooted out. But the military needs to perhaps pull back a bit to reorganize, and either get the capability to deploy more rapid air power to counter assaults on these damn check posts, where the majority of the casualties seem to be taking place, and/or shut or expand the smaller ones.

There is also a serious issue of properly equipping and training our FC (border guards) into a proper CI force, and that will take a lot of money and a lot of time. In the mean time we will just have to stick it out.
 
There's only one way - stay no matter what the losses.
You guys are leaving from Iraq...

This has already become the tribals war. Why not leave now and save it from becoming a Pashtun war? We used to be a country which had the comfort of having only one hostile front. Now there are as many as you can think of.

Anyway if we are going to be hostile, can't we sort of do what America did with Iraq after the gulf war? Put it through sanctions. Let them live an island life. Block all access in and out from a safe distance. We are not going to win this war till the locals turn on their leaders.
 
You guys are leaving from Iraq...
Canada was never in Iraq. However, this is different from us. Iraq and Afghanistan are not our home.

This has already become the tribals war. Why not leave now and save it from becoming a Pashtun war? We used to be a country which had the comfort of having only one hostile front. Now there are as many as you can think of.

Then your country is not worth fighting for.
 
Guys, Hold on your horses a bit. Not every qualified doctor from America is talking sense. I would appreciate every one to put his effort to analyze the article rather then situation highlighted with in the article.

Dr Marvin Weinbaum as its name suggests seems to be jew, as far as my interaction and experience with few jews. And the person who would be coming from such back ground would for sure be coming up with facts which proves that Mushy has not done enough. Even in on Ozie TV in SBS channel they play documentaries which show that talibans move freely in areas of waziristan and quetta. And the proof they come up by showing guy who is riding a bike wearing black taleban kullla, seems pretty S H I T!!!

Any way, this is it we have done enough for sake of it. Trust me we need this war on terror not to show uncle sam. But for strengthening our own society. Removing these factions will open new avenues for local people currently suppressed by these radicals, to develop and actively participate in economic development.

And the repercussion for this economic activity will be people will have good living and better facilties and in a way you can always hope for people coming in front to work for society and ummah at broader scale. You can always be positive abt people to come up and spread the true and peacful word of islam with in our society and spread the knowledge among people.

I think we are on right track. We need people srving our socity not serving jehad. any moe.

Look at the msulim societies in all of non muslim countries (US, AUSTRALIA, UK etc.). All muslim communities in these societies are contributing the best for the development of societies there. So why cant we do it here!! STOP THIS NON SENSE FOR ALLAH's SAKE. And just live with peace. If Afghans want to wage war let them fight NATO why do these tribals have to contribute themseleves for this complexity.

Its been long history of Afghanistan, that it has been influenced by factions and war lords. Even Ahmad Shah Abdali whome these Afghhanis called SHAH BABA, made coalition with Afghan warlords at that time and even conquered them before attacking on India. It is what history says not me.:sniper:

:crazy:So its in there blood to fight and kill so let them fight and kill!!!:hitwall:
 
Just to add few more things.

We all believe that mushy is doing good job so for now let just give him an opportunity to play with power-centric ball. And i think he can play it well. democracy has failed and we cant afford to fail more number of times any more.

Dealing with tribes, i mentioned somewhere else in other thread:-

negotiate,

peacedeals,

infiltrate,

mould there agendas,

divide and buy them,

evacuate any or non hostages,

media propoganda

swift, rapid 'kill and run' operation

economic blockade

break the peace deal

:sniper:


keep on repeating these things in cycle till they break out and spread out.
 
There's only one way - stay no matter what the losses.

Easier said than done. There is no military solution in FATA. Its become a Pashtun problem. Once these sort of things take ethnic undertones then military pressure does nothing but further inflame the situation. Currently these same Pashtuns view Pakistani forces as an instrument being used to stop them from supporting their fellow Pashtuns.

The only solution in my mind is mending fences with Pashtuns/Taliban elements in Afghanistan with a unity type government and laying down a roadmap for the withdrawal of ISAF from the country. The presence of outsiders in Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and the sidelining of the same people from Afghanistani politics is the main problem that is spilling over into Pakistan and leading to support from the Pashtuns in Pakistan's tribal belt.

ISAF has the luxury of sticking around and pounding people with whom they have no ties or linkages. Pakistan does and for Pakistan's future, it makes sense that these folks are accommodated and in doing so helped to become more moderate.
 

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