Barak-8 is India's answer to Pakistan's Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile

[Windjammer]

CM400AKG is supersonic only in terminal stage.
Nothing special about it, soviets in 60's used the same tech.
Russian and west phased out these type of missiles.
Russian - Kh-22, Kh-15 Mach 4 and 5 respectively.
US - AGM-69

Outdated and Obsolete. Well done by chinese marketing team.

It's actually hypersonic in terminal stage, proves how little you know about it's capabilities.
And obviously, anything Pakistan acquires is outdated and all that India has is alien technology, hence it's not meant to be used in this day and age.

 

[Basel]

My dear don't fall for the stupid Indian theory, we are not exactly talking about land or stationary targets where fire is directed East to West and vice versa and it's not as if only the missile carrier will be the target.

Indians here think Ra' ad can not hit Ships while ISPR saying it can hit targets at Land and Sea, at sea there are no stationery targets for PAF when it comes to India vs Pakistan.

It's actually hypersonic in terminal stage, proves how little you know about it's capabilities.
And obviously, anything Pakistan acquires is outdated and all that India has is alien technology, hence it's not meant to be used in this day and age.

Indian only think they can strike or defend while Pakistanis are sleeping and sitting ducks. LOL

 

[Mrc]

Was it barak 1 which completely failed to even detect an old silkworm missile fired from coast in 2006 by hizb ullah ...and it was sheer luck that silk worms warhead did not explode or israeli navy's flag ship would have exploded from within

 

[surya kiran]

first of all thanks for replying properly.(thanks why i liked the post)
anyway....

1. well thats quiet simple, it doesnt. the gaofeng is only meant to spot a target. the baidu gps will talk along side the gaofang to locate the target. if your asking how the goafeng will know where the object is in terms of its longitude and latitude then the gaofang is not imagery specific it knows where it is ans where its searching. the baidu is the satellite is the part of the layer that will "keep an eye" on the target and relay that to the relevant areas where that be c&c or missile.

2. not really then you have something searching and matching the imagery it has already. then is more of a case of finding something that was not there before which is good but you have the extra process of looking up the data which require more computing power which will not be stored locally on the satellite. not being specific but its more of a case of finding something thats should not be there. also most likely it will have a library of images that it will look for in specific. aircraft carriers, destroyers frigates etc...


3.yes thats the point of having a gps.. to guide something to something else.

4. teracom is more for terrain mapping and the guidance system is based on the terrain its traveling on. this is a useless example in terms of using it at sea. but for land base it depends as if you use it in flat land scapes (deserts) then if will defiantly fall of course. thats how the tomahawks went astray and ended up in pakistan.

Hey,

Let us look at a scenario

1. Gaofeng spots a target. For simplicity sake, assume it is a land based SAM, which has been deployed in a stationary position. The Gaofeng now spots this.

We both are on the same page here. Where we differ on is what happens next. You say, the Beido system tracks the target. I am saying, you are mixing two things here. One is the Beidou constellation of satellites and the second is the GIS system with the spatial data. The satellites of GPS systems only transmit a time stamp. The satellites cannot track the 'target' or a device which receives the data.

Next let us say, what you says is correct.
1. The Gaefong knows where it is. Agreed on this. The Gaofeng knows where the target is. For this you will need the following:
a. What is the target. This would mean either a manual operator marking the target. Let us assume the manual operator marks the target. Once, the operator marks the target the satellite does not need to have the image maps. They are stored in a GIS database locally where the operator sits. So the situation you mentioned of images loaded on the satellite does not arise.

b. You mention the Gaofeng searching for something from a library of images. Possible. But, then the military does not automate target selection. But, here is a problem. The Gaofeng can be used only on water. Not on land. Due to multiple other variation possibilities. But let us go ahead and say the Gaofeng identifies a target. This is handed over to an officer for confirmation. He confirms the target.

Now, where we differ is what happens next.

The Baidu keeps track. The question is how? The satellite only transmits timestamps. How will it keep track? Does the Baidu satellite have a receiver for receiving signals from a device? Does it have an imaging camera to keep track? How does it 'track' the target?

I hope you understand the query we are having now. How does a satellite which only sends out a particular data, track a stationary or mobile device? It is logical for the Gaofeng to track the target and update real-time. Not Baidu.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

CM400AKG Hypersonic Aircraft Carrier Killer.....speed Mach-4+

Barak-8 .....Mach-2......Easy Math.

Only HI-lo trajectory and thus detected waay earlier,no sea skimming,no manuevering capability = easy kill.Go sleep it off.

Was it barak 1 which completely failed to even detect an old silkworm missile fired from coast in 2006 by hizb ullah ...and it was sheer luck that silk worms warhead did not explode or israeli navy's flag ship would have exploded from within

Radar of the ship was turned off at that time.Not missile's fault.

well your right to an extent. firstly you need to remember that subsonic anti ship missiles are made to disable ships, not sink them. also you need to take into consideration of detecting the missile then launch the barak 1 to counter the missile. also the angle of intercept is very important as head on interceptions are near impossible to intercept. where as a side intercept will result in more chance of an intercept. but this is too unlikly as the missile would move head on to the target.
the only way i can see a barak1 be good enough is when you detect it at long range and when its not sea skimming or loitering at a wide angle.

Barak-1 has very small range -less than 15 km..so detecting at lower ranges is not an issue because the missile can't attack beyond a certain range.Barak and harpoon are same generation weapons.PN has had harpoon for yaesr and IN has counted on barak to intercept it.The new generation Barak 8 is a step above this old 80s era missile which USN is now seeking to replace.

 

[Windjammer]

Only HI-lo trajectory and thus detected waay earlier,no sea skimming,no manuevering capability = easy kill.Go sleep it off.

Yea, you could be running DRDO.....please do read the specified data on the respective weapon.

 

[Mrc]

Only HI-lo trajectory and thus detected waay earlier,no sea skimming,no manuevering capability = easy kill.Go sleep it off.



Radar of the ship was turned off at that time.Not missile's fault.



Barak-1 has very small range -less than 15 km..so detecting at lower ranges is not an issue because the missile can't attack beyond a certain range.Barak and harpoon are same generation weapons.PN has had harpoon for yaesr and IN has counted on barak to intercept it.The new generation Barak 8 is a step above this old 80s era missile which USN is now seeking to replace.

U dont park your flag ship in enemy waters with its radar off....

U do make excuses when your advertised super defence system fails to pick up a promitive missile

 

[C130]

Barak 1 is enough for old subsonic harpoon/exocet.Barak-8 is for supersonic sea skimmers - harpoon is not a threat at all.

there is only one way to find out if you are correct

 

[rational]

India itself operate harpoon along with klub & brahmos missile & Israeli know all about it as India had share data with them & the missile is designed to deal with much more sophisticated threat along with these so Pakistani need to come out of there delusion

 

[egodoc222]

Well, Infact Karachi harbour in 1971 Proved that IN : Works and is THE BEST.
That was WITHOUT Brahmos and Barak 8.

First Build a Destroyer. Then Talk.

To add to that... the ships were 450 tonne missile boats...they didn't have the range so they were pulled by a tug boat for certain distance...this was to burn Karachi port for a week....lol

Indians here think Ra' ad can not hit Ships while ISPR saying it can hit targets at Land and Sea, at sea there are no stationery targets for PAF when it comes to India vs Pakistan.



Indian only think they can strike or defend while Pakistanis are sleeping and sitting ducks. LOL

As far as PN is considered....it would be a sitting duck...if it tries to move it's ships out of the ports during war...!! It would be a walk in the park lol

 

[Harisudan]

And your response too shows like you dont know about the working of CM 400. It works with Hybrid Cruise and Ballistic approaches called Quasi ballistic missile. its hitting speed in 4+ mach and it attacks from height in terminal phase unlike sea skimming ASHMs.

1. Quasi ballistic Missile means?? Can U explain ? I don't see that terminology used anywhere except by you..
2. If its Hitting speed is Mach 4+ then it must be using rocket motors in the lift of stage , which will take a huge space for fuel or the range for the given Missile size is simply misleading..
3. What is the power plant used by this missile??
4. If at all it is Quasi Ballistic Missile, the manoeuverability will be of the charts.. I mean come on , a ballistic anti-ship missile with a CEP of 500 meters. Best of luck hitting anything with that. LOL

"First of all, CM-400AKGs claim of 180km-250km range is way off the mark, simply because those figures apply only to the SY-400 NLOS-BSM from which the CM-400AKG is derived. Any long-range fire-and-forget air-to-ground PGM can only employ active radar for terminal guidance & not IIR, simply because no missile-based IIR sensor has the kind of target detection/lock-on range (of up to 26km). Such sensors exist only on board laser designator pods & therefore cannot be made to fit on-board a missile the size of CM-400AKG. If the missile has a digital scene-matching system, then it stands to reason that it cannot also have an on-board active radar for terminal guidance, a fact clearly borne out by external visual examination of the CM-400AKGs airframe. Therefore, re-targetting in mid-flight is an impossibility. Sixthly, the CM-400AKGs impact velocity cannot be hypersonic if an IIR sensor is employed for the terminal flight-phase. It can be hypersonic ONLY if climbs to a high altitude & undertakes a high-speed dive on the target (i.e.top-attack mode by using an X-band synthetic aperture radar), MEANING that this performance data applies only to the SY-400 NLOS-BSM, & not an aircraft-launched PGM meant for targetting an aircraft carrier cruising at a speed of 30 Knots.

Bottomline : Either the Janes defence weekly's reporter was totally ignorant about the laws of physics, or it was the PAF unnamed officials who were ignorant about the laws of physics & were just engaged in unsubstantiated & delusional rants.

 

[Maarkhoor]

CM400AKG is supersonic only in terminal stage.
Nothing special about it, soviets in 60's used the same tech.
Russian and west phased out these type of missiles.
Russian - Kh-22, Kh-15 Mach 4 and 5 respectively.
US - AGM-69

Outdated and Obsolete. Well done by chinese marketing team.

So the Brahmos also obsolete ?

 

[Harisudan]

im skeptical on the speed. for a sam mach 2 is pathetic. i though it was in the region of mach 4-5.5. also the cm-400 is classed as hypersonic asm meaning it's terminal speed is mach 5+ or mach 5.5 to be publicly specific

Your missile is as misleading as its model. Come on, missile is so smaller that two or three can fit into JF17, now how do you fit in an engine that can take it 5 times speed of sound in that small package with fuel to take it to mentioned range. Either rest of the part is invisible or you guys are blufifng big time. Can you post info/specificatons, about the same missile which is in service with PLAAF..??
I doubt Big time about he power plant part.. And by the way, pls don't type that hypersonic crap again..

 

[Mrc]

Omg ....indians on pdf found out things about cm 400 akg that no one in world has so far....only by closing eyes .....

Whoa thats great....

I think the whole displaying in airshows and even offering it for export in REAL WORLD is just a build up to bollywood movie

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

Good, but that was test in controlled environment not in uncertain war situation.

It is a good system but no system in this world is invincible which means it can be defeated.


Edit.

When Barack-8 will be fully operational with IN fleet??

This is supposed to be coming with Chinese subs, because all new Chinese subs are capable for firing it, and even US think its very potent and deadly system.

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Description: The YingJi-18 (YJ-18 or Eagle/Hawk-18) is a vertically-launched, long-range, supersonic, sea-skimming anti-ship missile designed by China to kill US Navy's Aegis-equipped destroyers or its equivalents provided to Japan, South Korea or European Navies. The YJ-18 is planned for deployment by the newest People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Type 052D class destroyers and subsequently may be incorporated into existing destroyers and submarines as part of a modernization effort. Its guidance system consists of an advanced inertial navigation, maybe backed by the Beidou Chinese GPS, plus an active radar seeker in the terminal phase. Besides, a built-in data link allows the carrier ship to update the target's location. The Aegis-killer missile existence was first reported in 2013 with an entry into service expected by 2014 or later.
The YJ-18 missile is equipped with a 300 kg high explosive (HE) warhead capable of taking out a destroyer-sized ship. The HE warhead can be replaced by an anti-radiation/electromagnetic pulse warhead that is said can take down up to 60 percent of the enemy ship's electronic systems at a range of 50 meters after detonating. After the vertical launch the missile's turbojet engine is capable of flying at a cruise speed of Mach 0.8 for about 180 kilometers after that point the warhead section separates and a solid rocket engine ignites allowing at a top speed of Mach 2.5-3 for about 40 kilometers. The missile can maneuver at 10G acceleration to avoid enemy interception by air-to-air or surface-air missiles. The missile design and performance is very similar to Russia's 3M54E which may have been the template for the YJ-18.

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YJ-18

Thats why IN do TROPEX each year.