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Originally Posted by Vinod2070
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I am beginning to see that this forum is different from typical SA forums. Hope it can remain so in the coming days.

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Thank you all. I would try to offer my sincere opinions on whatever matters where I feel I have something to contribute.

I may not be very regular here as I don't get much time for browsing being busy with my studies.

Considering that I am an Indian on a Paksitani forum, there are likely to be situations where my views may not agree with some posters here. I just hope both parties can remain respectful of each other's opinions in such situations. I would think that we are here for exchaning opinions and it is important to speak your mind without being offensive or threatening. These opinions don't count for much in the brick and mortar world outside.



this is wht Vinod wrote when he joined..... no offense but are u following wht u pledged Vinod...???
 
Whats your problem .. are you some kind of mentally sick , why do you probe into others arse in case you are not able to reply maturely .. sick I SAY

You have a few too many outbursts on these threads. So much for advising other people on their English and maturity.
 
You have a few too many outbursts on these threads. So much for advising other people on their English and maturity.

Wasnt ment for you , so why bother ..
Outbursts.. naah one should be insecure enough for outbusrst and I am not, refer enigmas posts in this thread, instead of debating he chooses to go into members personel details and derides others, you think that is mature.
 
Wasnt ment for you , so why bother ..
Outbursts.. naah one should be insecure enough for outbusrst and I am not, refer enigmas posts in this thread, instead of debating he chooses to go into members personel details and derides others, you think that is mature.

well, you are a special case.
Change your username to something more truthful and people might take you more seriously.
 
Whats your problem .. are you some kind of mentally sick , why do you probe into others arse in case you are not able to reply maturely .. sick I SAY

this is wht Mr indiapakistanfriendship wrote when he joined this site...

On request of some senior members... I am introducing myself

I from the South Indian state of Tamilnadu.. I have been reading this forum for the past one year and I especially like the way people debate over things.. This can be easily one of the most decent forums on the web.... I am completely enthralled by the mere notion that I am going to interact with pakistani brothers....

Hope to have a good and successful participation
 
well, you are a special case.
Change your username to something more truthful and people might take you more seriously.

I stand by what my name suggests. I am not your lala land hippie tree hugging peacenik friend . I am pragmatic and my posts are pragmatic, I am a realist and if you are not able to accomodate my wishes or ideas or posts do ignore ..
 
well, you are a special case.
Change your username to something more truthful and people might take you more seriously.

agreed upon dot com....
yes he is a special case....when they will deviate from ur morals....somenoe has to bring them back on track...
i did nothing special.... these quotes are their own i m not making them up....

they just cant bear the truth..nothing else...
 
Hope to have a good and successful participation

Thanx but no thanx . I dont need your wishes , you are not even worth replying. When I joined the forum it was one of the most netral sites I had come across so it is none of your business what I do . If you are such a idiotic low life incapable of debate do ignore . Do us this favour , will save lots of peoples time
 
My cousin has came back a week ago from pakistan and confimed what has just been posted........theres a mass recruitment drive by the freedom fighters.

The past years have shown to all that the only way to deal with india is force,the peace process has got got us nowhere......the indians have not moved 1 inch on the issue.

A renewed jehad is what is needed in kashmir........

I beg to differ, militancy is not the solution for lasting peace and I'm conviced if we allow freedom fighters to revive Kashmiri Jihad it will backfire on us.

Many muslims countries like Egypt, Bosnia, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia and many CAR countries sent thousands of islamists to Afghanistan for juhad against the Sovjets. Doing this they actually exported extremism to save their own society. Look where they stand now, many of these extremists have returned to their countries with combat experience.

I'd hate to see Pakistani recruits in Kashmir, they'll come back to haunt us once they're done in Kashmir.
 
The support and infrastructure was not enough in the first place to make serious dent.
Yeah, actually it was and still is.

Why not, certainly you people seem to wage jihad wherever you want , in this case Idont see support except from Pakistanis, if the issue was so grave why on earth India is not treated like israel in the first place among muslim nation , why we have friendly relations with any muslim nation worth its salt. Kashmir issue was or never will be a priority among Jihadists, it seems they like taking on America then India. Even before war on terror majority of the insurgents were from Pakistan unlike Chechenya, bosnia or Iraq where there is a significan presence of foreign fighters.
Sorry, but kashmir is one of the major issues among jihadists. If it wasn't, I don't think we'd hear the Imam of the Kaaba mentioning Kashmir in his prayers every ramadan.

It doesn't really matter whether you have good relations with muslim countries, what matters is if you have good relations with the world's muslim population.

Loosers argument, not worth replying.
:lol: Have you closely read your rebuttal? You can't even spell correctly and now you claim intellectual superiority?

Naaah no way, most of them are running with their tails inbetween in afghanistan on war on terror, the rest are busy fighting you and bombing your cities and assasinating your leaders, yup I also sure they wil be willing to do it again.
wishful thinking from a bharati fanatic. these militants had nothing to do when we tried to make peace with india. i'm sure if the govt. gave them a job to do in kashmir, they'd be willing to rise up to the occasion.

You have your own indigenous jihadi outfits to worry about and i'm not talking about kashmir.

IS that your business, refer to my posts and understand that I am not a lala land peacenink, I am practical and my posts refer the same, why the heck should we fight you and why the heck should you fight us for Kashmiris, are you the vanguards of freedom all over the world.
this isn't my problem, I'm certain the kashmiris have had enough putting up with your akhand bharat ideology.

Just thought I might mention this again for everyone to see.
Loosers argument, not worth replying.
I think we're dealing with a child here, I wonder if the mods have checked up with his parents considering he's under 18.
 
Naah its just a plain landgrab, what make you think Kasmir belongs to kashmiris alon , it belongs to me as well as any Indian citizens, if Kashmiris dont like us they are free to leave to AK the paradise.
Yeah make sure you tell kashmiris that, instead of trying to portray yourself as the saviour of the kashmiri people in bollywood. Your posts reflect your immaturity in this discussion.

It's funny someone called me a "war-monger", while this akhand bharat fanatic runs around claiming the indian sub-continent for himself and "Jai Hind".
 
The thread is moderated, everybody back off now!
More personal attacks will only result in infractions or eventually banning.

Thanks,
Neo
 
I have some strong views here but not extreme

You are the one to talk. What right do you have over Kashmir to decide the fact that they need to live side by side with half a million of your troops.Maybe you should try living in a Police state before deciding the fate of Kashmir.Sounds like another sideline cheerer.

1. Why do you think Indian troops were posted in Kashmir in early 90s while they were completely absent before that?
2. What about Ikhwan, the brigade of surendered militants who are involved in counter-insurgency?
3. What about those people who vote in election?
4. What about the killings of non-Sunni Kashmiris at the hands of Jihadis?
5. Do you know how many innocents are killed and injured by Jihadi attacks?
6. Do you know how many surrendered militants fight alongside Indians against Jihadis? and do you know how many surrendered militants and their family members are killed by Jihadis?
7. Are pro-Pakistani kashmiris innocents and Pro-Indian Kashmiris non muslims? are those killed by Jihadis non-innocents? are those terrorists killed by Counter-insurgents innocents?
8. Do you believe media to be unbiased when it comes to Kashmir?

Even if Kashmiris were disillusioned with India for neglecting them thanks to the so-called freedom struggle they have become IMO fed up with Pakistan too.

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Concept of militant outfit is wrong.
They should join the Pakistan army and go on covert missions into Kashmir.
I just can't imagine militants not doing things wrong once or twice. They have no fear of court martials. I can't imagine them knowing good hand to hand combat like the army is trained for. Heck probably the only criteria needed to join them is "I want to kill Indians!!!" Missions are not accomplished like this. Sure we can drag this thing for eternity, but you have to ask yourself are we winning? I know India is spending millions onto Kashmir but still its not yet upto the amount where India can't afford it. I'm not against fighting it out with India when it comes to taking Kashmir. But we need to do things that work. Out of all the groups mentioned above, I think only Hizb has had some decent success rates, but nothing like what we need.


Asim,
I think Pakistan and Pakistanis can support all the terrorism/freedom fight it wants but these monsters are already creating problems in Pakistan and will continue to. The seeds of violence that Pakistan is hoping to plant in India are sprouting in Pakistan itself.

It would rather prefer if Pak supports terrorism against India because of enmity rather than so called sympathy with Kashmiri or Islam card. I have read some of your posts in WAB where you eloquently quoted Bulleh Shah yet here you support Terrorism and hate against Indians. :pakistan:

I would be pretty astonished if the Indian Muslims launch their Jihad, and hindus, sikhs etc. their version of Jihad against Pakistani Jihadis.

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Democracy has a funny way doesnt it? Are you saying Indians only sympathize for the minority Pundits, while the majority Kashmiri Muslim population has to live suppressed?
Not supporting violence, but supporting 700 000 of your troops to police the Muslim majority state is an oxymoron.

UnitedPak you are blissfully unaware of the demographics of Kashmir. Kashmiri Pundits are miniscule when compared to other Hindu(non-muslim) groups (Read today's news article where the nonmigrant Kashmiri Pundits have criticized the PM) . In fact the population of Kashmiris is little above the Dogras yet the seats are alloted in such a way the Dogras get less representation than they ought to get.

But how can you not sympathise with Kashmiris? they are being killed by freedom fighters/terrorists a freedom struggle which they have largely rejected and which is being fought in their stead by many foreigners? It is surprising to see donation boxes in Pakistani Muslim owned establishments asking for donation for Kashmir's freedom struggle/Jihad.

I put quite a bit of blame on Kashmiri Muslims who didn't object nor protect the non muslims when the militants came and started killing them and now they too live in the fear of the same terrorists.

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you guys seem seriously frustrated. Is that upon realising that Pakistan will never give up on Kashmir, even if you decide to cram another half a million troops in there?
Go on though, miss the whole point of this argument and steep down to more insults on Pakistan and its politicians. I love to see desperation.

Unitedpak you are missing the whole point of putting Armed forces there.
First Police is incompetent in counter-insurgency second as per the legal framework GoI is responsible for Defence in Kashmir third Kashmiri Police can be compromised.

Remember Lal masjid where the Jihadis were allowed to go scot free and look how much force was required. Balochistan, FATA etc. are areas which are now seeing massive deployments when situation is quite out of control.
Prevention is better than Cure.

PS: Kashmir has around 100,000 soldiers not 700,000 soldiers which is a ridiculously high figure IMO

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Keep in mind, there are many more muslims besides pakistani's who support the kashmiri freedom struggle. We know that afghani's, or should I say Mujahideen, gave you quite a shocker in Kargil. I'm sure they are willing to do it again.

They are giving more shocks to you and killing more Pakistani people.. Power to the Mujahideen anyone?

Not to mention, the vast influx of foreign arab fighters who are just itching to draw your blood.

Of course who is not afraid of the Pious arab Mujahideen who fight for Islam in Allah's Jihad.
Keeping sarcasm aside, this is just fanaticism which will affect Pakistan more than India...

I hope not too many Kashmiris are martyred in defending their motherland against foreigners fighting for their twisted agendas by quoting such high ideals as enshrined by the Prophet and the Quran.

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Vinod, some leaders have openly claimed that " a nation's terrorists can be another nation's freedom fighters." I think the world is starting to see through this WoT deception.

Bugti and Mehsud are freedom fighters too? Truth always triumphs.

Besides, no matter how much pakistan has tried to improve its image, it just doesn't look any better. foreigners still have the same opinion of pakistan as before. I'm guessing the pak strategists have no choice but to support these struggles.

Then Pak must work harder.. and society must fight the cancer.
People always thought of India as a poor and backward nation.. action speak louder than words... the results are in front of you...

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Oh ho ho as you are forgotting the Terrorism India is funding and supporting in Balochistan and Nepal and Sri Lanka just for fulfilling own agenda.

Nepal? Balochistan? Sri Lanka? you missed Bhutan, Bangladesh, Maldives, Mauritius, Seychelles, Indonesia, Myanmar ... and why not China, Afghanistan and Iran?

AS far as Indian Held Kashmir is concerned everyone knows the brutalities your sick army is committing in the Indian Held Kashmir.

How do you know? Every Kashmiri knows the brutalities the sick terrorists are committing in Kashmir...

The fake killings of innocent Kashmiris at hand of Indian Brutal Army Soldiers have become a normal thing.

You claim there are 700,000 Indian Soldiers in Kashmir..
Kashmir has population of 10million with around 6million Muslims..
If 1 Kashmiri Muslim is shot per annum by every Indian Soldier would mean that within a decade Kashmir would be empty of Muslims.
This is just absurd.
Please refer to the questions I have asked at the top...

PS: If those who were killed happen to be terrorists or their sympathisers I wouldn't shed crocodile tears..
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Vinod, I'm honest, but I will say this much that kashmiri muslims do not want indian rule.

I think the amount of people who vote in elections is proof of that even under the threat of being shot they vote.. Even in 47 65 71 and 99 Kashmiris helped GoI fight Pakistan why was that? there were four golden opportunities.

India COULD have had a chance to appease kashmiri's. they could have offered a lot more to the people and somehow have managed to convince the people that india would have been better for them.

What? Lot more? Kashmir gets funding worth billions of dollars per annum the day this stops the Kashmiris would start appeasing GoI IMO.. Kashmir has the least poverty in India and the least industrialization, agriculture etc.

Yet, it is the irresponsibility of your soldiers and psychological warfare that lost the support of the kashmiri people. Soldiers literally, walk in and take girls away for raping. So many people have dissappeared and are probably dead now, as the mass grave suggests.

Mass graves?? How do you know those mass graves are not built by terrorists? or had corpses of terrorists?
Existence of mass graves means people were killed and if those people are not located that means those were probably foreigners..
PS: There are verifiable records of terrorists abducting large number of Kashmiri women...
Indian soldiers who did what they did were punished for what they did...

Besides that, most of the indian public approve of holding on to kashmir while the pakistani public would rather let go for the sake of kashmiri's. this shows the kashmiri's, exactly who has the wrong views on their future.

This speaks of Pakistanis realising the folly of pursuing Kashmir.. I bet none of the Indians want to go get hold of Kashmir under Pak...

Unlike the pak army in balochistan, where we are focusing on pleasing the balochi people with relief. it will take a while, but the baloch are looking more for autonomy rather than independence.

I think the reports differ but what relief? Balochistan is one of the poorest state of Pakistan whereas Kashmir one of the richest...

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No one is supporting spiling blood.

uhhm,... have you read this thread? Asim, Assad, Dabong's views?

As far as stance of our political and military people is concerned we had done everything to bring peace and even we had put forward proposal for conducting Referendum in Azad Kashmir too to know if the entire region of Kashmir wants to be independent we are even ready for that just beacuse we want whatever the Kashmiris want.whereas India is not ready to accept any soultion to the Kashmir Issue and wants to continue with killing the innocent Kashmiris.

Till early 90's why wasn't Indian army killing innocent Kashmiris?? why the sudden passion for killing now??
Plebiscite cannot be held in the entire Kashmir region as per UN resolutions. if you have read them you will be aware..

Even if the referendum in Azad Kashmir declared it to be pro-India, GoI would still not like to have it as is clear from their stance.

There is no need for referendum in J&K as elections are held which have a very significant level of polling higher than many mainstream Indian areas(esp as compared to metropolitan cities) which is a referendum enough. If you want election result details I can google them or have someone file an application on your behalf as per RTI act if its possible and feasible.

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"Terror" has become such a loose word. You think the Kashmiris weren't terrified when your troops killed them and threw them in mass graves?

How do you know those being thrown in the mass graves were not terrorists or better foreign terrorists?

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I beg to differ, militancy is not the solution for lasting peace and I'm conviced if we allow freedom fighters to revive Kashmiri Jihad it will backfire on us.
Many muslims countries like Egypt, Bosnia, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia and many CAR countries sent thousands of islamists to Afghanistan for juhad against the Sovjets. Doing this they actually exported extremism to save their own society. Look where they stand now, many of these extremists have returned to their countries with combat experience.
I'd hate to see Pakistani recruits in Kashmir, they'll come back to haunt us once they're done in Kashmir.

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Malang

thnx for ur painstaking effort ....i only have one Q for u in reply for ur GiGABYTE reply...

WHY INDIA IS THERE IN KASHMIR AT THE FIRST PLACE...TRY TO GIVE ONE VALID REASON....

lemme assure u i'll b countering each of them....:D
 
Malang
thnx for ur painstaking effort ....i only have one Q for u in reply for ur GiGABYTE reply...
WHY INDIA IS THERE IN KASHMIR AT THE FIRST PLACE...TRY TO GIVE ONE VALID REASON....

The same reason why Pakistan is in Sindh!

PS: J&K is a province of India and as per legal documents India(GoI, Military, J&K govt etc ) and Indians(Kashmiris, Ladakhis, Dogras) have all the right to be in J&K.

lemme assure u i'll b countering each of them....:D

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